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[Yecats Encerwal]

okay, you know why people do it and you know the solutions, now you have your information. did you want to make this an argument on morals of if people should or shouldn't do it or did you just want that information. why not make a thread talking about the ethics behind boosting and what can be done to prevent it? This would initiate the discussion I think you're looking for.

I'm not looking for an argument, I just wandered why people are so open about discussing boosting like it's a legal thing, but now I have my answer. Its interesting to hear other peoples experiences from other countries as they definitely vary from what goes on in the UK. Its clearly much more prominent in other countries which is why you guys have a much better understanding of it. Part of me feels like boosting should be left to the pro's who are truly good enough to utilise the advantages, but another part of me knows that there are lots of rubbers that simply need booster to be viable, from what I have heard. Its an interesting topic anyway.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

The ethical dilemma that is being faced is also that ITTF's motives for banning booster and their public explanation for why they banned boosters do not align with each other.

To allow boosting WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING at the highest levels of play because the ITTF has given top players a way around the boosting rule: If the manufacturer boosts the rubber before it leaves the plant, it is okay. If the player boosts, it is not!!!!! So the pro players just have the companies boost their rubber for them with a formula specified by the player.

But the TT companies won't do that for non-sponsored players. So, until you reach that level of play, basically, you can follow the rules and be at a disadvantage or you can boost for yourself.

So, the ITTF let's the pros use boosted equipment but it is against the rules for regular players to boost.

Now for the stated reasoning behind banning boosters. ITTF originally stated that the banning of speed glue and boosters had to do with the dangerous chemicals (VOCs) in speed glue and boosters. But since the speed glue ban many companies have developed safe boosters that do not contain chemicals that are dangerous for our health like VOCs. SO WHY ARE THESE SAFE BOOSTERS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES IF THE REASON FOR THE BAN IS SAFETY???????

Because the reason for the ban actually has more to do with money.

If a player can use an inexpensive rubber, boost it, and get similar performance to what he would get with a more expensive rubber, THEN WHO BENEFITS from the rule? If a kid who does not have much money, takes his old rubber, applies boost and is able to use it for 3-4 times longer than would have been possible without booster, then who would gain by enforcing the rule and forcing that kid to get a new set of rubbers way sooner than he would need them if he was allowed to put booster on the rubber.

So, given the fact that ITTF has not been forthcoming about their actual reasons for the ban and the ethical dilemma that is the backdrop to this issue, and the clear fact that the ITTF's stated reason for banning boosters does not fit the facts that these boosters that are made today are VOC free, IS THERE ANY REASON TO ADHERE TO THIS UNENFORCEABLE RULE?

Here is a fun video that is obviously a joke. But has a lot of information that is real in it.

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[Yecats Encerwal]

The ethical dilemma that is being faced is also that ITTF's motives for banning booster and their public explanation for why they banned boosters do not align with each other.

To allow boosting WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING at the highest levels of play because the ITTF has given top players a way around the boosting rule: If the manufacturer boosts the rubber before it leaves the plant, it is okay. If the player boosts, it is not!!!!! So the pro players just have the companies boost their rubber for them with a formula specified by the player.

But the TT companies won't do that for non-sponsored players. So, until you reach that level of play, basically, you can follow the rules and be at a disadvantage or you can boost for yourself.

So, the ITTF let's the pros use boosted equipment but it is against the rules for regular players to boost.

Now for the stated reasoning behind banning boosters. ITTF originally stated that the banning of speed glue and boosters had to do with the dangerous chemicals (VOCs) in speed glue and boosters. But since the speed glue ban many companies have developed safe boosters that do not contain chemicals that are dangerous for our health like VOCs. SO WHY ARE THESE SAFE BOOSTERS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES IF THE REASON FOR THE BAN IS SAFETY???????

Because the reason for the ban actually has more to do with money.

If a player can use an inexpensive rubber, boost it, and get similar performance to what he would get with a more expensive rubber, THEN WHO BENEFITS from the rule? If a kid who does not have much money, takes his old rubber, applies boost and is able to use it for 3-4 times longer than would have been possible without booster, then who would gain by enforcing the rule and forcing that kid to get a new set of rubbers way sooner than he would need them if he was allowed to put booster on the rubber.

So, given the fact that ITTF has not been forthcoming about their actual reasons for the ban and the ethical dilemma that is the backdrop to this issue, and the clear fact that the ITTF's stated reason for banning boosters does not fit the facts that these boosters that are made today are VOC free, IS THERE ANY REASON TO ADHERE TO THIS UNENFORCEABLE RULE?

Here is a fun video that is obviously a joke. But has a lot of information that is real in it.

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Thanks Carl, useful information

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Another video:

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[Suga D]

The ethical dilemma that is being faced is also that ITTF's motives for banning booster and their public explanation for why they banned boosters do not align with each other.

To allow boosting WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING at the highest levels of play because the ITTF has given top players a way around the boosting rule: If the manufacturer boosts the rubber before it leaves the plant, it is okay. If the player boosts, it is not!!!!! So the pro players just have the companies boost their rubber for them with a formula specified by the player.

But the TT companies won't do that for non-sponsored players. So, until you reach that level of play, basically, you can follow the rules and be at a disadvantage or you can boost for yourself.

So, the ITTF let's the pros use boosted equipment but it is against the rules for regular players to boost.

Now for the stated reasoning behind banning boosters. ITTF originally stated that the banning of speed glue and boosters had to do with the dangerous chemicals (VOCs) in speed glue and boosters. But since the speed glue ban many companies have developed safe boosters that do not contain chemicals that are dangerous for our health like VOCs. SO WHY ARE THESE SAFE BOOSTERS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES IF THE REASON FOR THE BAN IS SAFETY???????

Because the reason for the ban actually has more to do with money.

If a player can use an inexpensive rubber, boost it, and get similar performance to what he would get with a more expensive rubber, THEN WHO BENEFITS from the rule? If a kid who does not have much money, takes his old rubber, applies boost and is able to use it for 3-4 times longer than would have been possible without booster, then who would gain by enforcing the rule and forcing that kid to get a new set of rubbers way sooner than he would need them if he was allowed to put booster on the rubber.

So, given the fact that ITTF has not been forthcoming about their actual reasons for the ban and the ethical dilemma that is the backdrop to this issue, and the clear fact that the ITTF's stated reason for banning boosters does not fit the facts that these boosters that are made today are VOC free, IS THERE ANY REASON TO ADHERE TO THIS UNENFORCEABLE RULE?

Here is a fun video that is obviously a joke. But has a lot of information that is real in it.

Sent from the Subterranean Workshop by Telepathy

Well spoken, Carl.

This post deserves the Super-Like Button.

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[tikitiki]

ok I tried it.
it's good for tensors.
allows you to go back to slower off- or all blades, since the speed is in the rubber!

 

[fais]

I totally agree. You're absolutely correct. This is quite similar to what Timo Boll said in an interview.

On the other hand I also agree to what Andy Smith just wrote this morning.

How much sense does it make creating a rule that simply can not be enforced.
That's kinda like asking for breakin' the rule IMHO.

I think between TT-players worldwide there's a big consensus that speedglue just wasn't good for one's health and therefore shouldn't be allowed anymore, but there's also a consensus that no health issues are known from boosting, so that reason can not be held up anymore...

Another point to add regarding this rule. It gives sponsored players an unfair advantage over regular players. Pros can legally play with boosted rubbers (I'm sure DHS boosts rubbers to ML, XX, FZD, ZJK etc specifications, coupled with customized higher quality gear which we can't afford).

My argument is by allowing everyone to boost, it actually levels the playing field. If DerEtche lost to FZD, we could safely say he wasn't sabataged by the goon squad.

 

[Baal]

Adding to what fais says, current rule gives potential advantages to players who can afford to buy new factory sheets of rubber frequently over players who can (for example) barely afford one sheet a year, but who can keep their rubber more competitive by periodically re-boosting them.

 

[tikitiki]

ok I tried it.
it's good for tensors.
allows you to go back to slower off- or all blades, since the speed is in the rubber!

actually I think what made it explode with the andro was that I used rubber cement to glue.
compared to the tenergy 05 on the other side (boosted but glued with water based) the andro is much more lively.
I wanted to glue the tenergy with rubber cement too, but it just domes too much and the sponge just doesn't grab very well.
so with tenergy you need water based glue after boosting :-(((

 

[SFF_lib]

No, not everyone does it. And that is my point exactly. I play a lot around the UK and the majority of players I play against do not boost their rubbers. Sure there are some that do, but a lot don't.

I wouldn't have a problem with it being made legal, however currently is seems to be a bit of a grey area.

Im sure it is different in other countries, but from my own experience, boosting isn't that common in the UK.

Bear in mind many rubber these days are not designed for boosting. These rubbers are mainly used in Europe and Japan. Therefore I won't be surprised to see that not many people use booster in UK.

In contrast, many Chinese rubbers are designed for boosting. Even the Neo H3 requires booster. The boosted Neo H3 is almost equivalent to tenergy 05 and cost less than half the price. Of course Hurricane rubber is widely used only in China.

 

[MasterMyself]

I thought its common that players that plays at national competition level, boost everything, including T05.. according to my coach but what do I know anyway.

Carl's post makes sense and a very nice summary of that whole situation from a TT economy perspective. I only play at a local level and when I play against a player with T05, I feel I am in a disadvantage. As you can see, I have unboosted H8 on my FH (only cost £19 from HK rather than £50 for T05). Why don't I get a T05 myself to create a equipment playing level field? sure I can do that, but then why do I have to feel that I have to pay the premium and limit myself to one choice. I don't like that feeling. The more I talk about this, the more I want to boost my H8.

Can't imagine how a non-sponsor pro would feel when he plays against a sponsor pro with customised blade and rubbers. I think he has all the reason he needs to boost even though he knows he breaks the rule.

 

[Suga D]

Can't imagine how a non-sponsor pro would feel when he plays against a sponsor pro with customised blade and rubbers. I think he has all the reason he needs to boost even though he knows he breaks the rule.

Are there really non-sponsored pros? I know players that play on a regional level (Not even National or International) who are sponsored. Maybe depends what is considered as pro...

 

[Shuki]

Pro is someone who plays the game for a living. Semi-pro makes money but not enough to sustain their spending habits