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I can go whole games and almost full matches these days without ever serving a backhand serve. That's just weird to me.... In fact, if I serve a backhand serve, it is often a sign I am in trouble or need to try something new.

 
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Sir,

I can't tell, is J Song using LP on his FH? Looked shiny originally to me before you started the match, but then again, I see his FH strokes during warmup and it's 'unorthodox' leading me to think he's using LP and on some shots, i see ball float weird.
 
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Sir,

I can't tell, is J Song using LP on his FH? Looked shiny originally to me before you started the match, but then again, I see his FH strokes during warmup and it's 'unorthodox' leading me to think he's using LP and on some shots, i see ball float weird.

Red inverted, black LP. All his strokes are played with the black side for the most part - the red side is for variation and to introduce spin if the opponent is mindless not paying attention. If he improved his serves with the inverted side, that could send his level up quite a bit - if he had my backspin serve for example, that could help him do amazing things.
 
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2 BH serves to set up winners!

~9:40-9:49

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SMOKING! some earlier ones but these are awesome: 10:26-10:30, 10:36-10:40 and especially10:54-10:56

Now you know why I say memory is deceptive. But that period you pointed out was when I was on fire and I just felt I could not miss. Then it just evaporated... so I had to go back to cheap tricks and serves again ;).
 
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Now you know why I say memory is deceptive. But that period you pointed out was when I was on fire and I just felt I could not miss. Then it just evaporated... so I had to go back to cheap tricks and serves again ;).

So few people with that level of honesty. NextLevel = truth speaker. Too bad so many don't understand the truth and really can't handle a dose of reality.


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I wouldn't consider winning with serves cheap tricks. It's the opponent's fault if they don't know how to return backhand serves, and it's your benefit if you've developed a good backhand serve.

What's funny is that backhand serves are common in the lower levels. They start disappearing once the levels go up, and people are generally more orthodox. What a situation it is to be in to claim that backhand serves are somehow "unorthodox". :rolleyes:
 
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What's funny is that backhand serves are common in the lower levels. They start disappearing once the levels go up, and people are generally more orthodox. What a situation it is to be in to claim that backhand serves are somehow "unorthodox". :rolleyes:

Where is your proof for that? I see tons of backhand serves on all levels. And I also know some swiss top players who use backhand serves more. Depending on your game plan backhand serves can be exactly as good as any other kind of serve.
 
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Where is your proof for that? I see tons of backhand serves on all levels. And I also know some swiss top players who use backhand serves more. Depending on your game plan backhand serves can be exactly as good as any other kind of serve.

I have to ignore him but you don't. :p

BTW, Elias Ranfeur's BH serve is a new inspiration.

The main reason I bring this up was that there was a time I almost served all backhand. Brett was almost begging (threatening) me to stop serving backhand serves. Even when I thought I was serving more forehand serves, it would be at least 70% backhand.
 
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last training at my club before winter holidays. I practiced with a veteran penholder for 1H30 half before playing 1 game. We did a lot of drills. I've clearly improved my BH block, i feel like a wall. The harder a guy hits at me, the harder he gets it back :). It's also always fun to see the other attacking 4-5 times in a row, until he's exhausted and i have an easy ball to finish.

I practised 3rd ball attack with the BH, and when my opening attack is on the table its quite spinny, and difficult for the opponent, alas my success rate is around 40-50% not good enough at all. I try also the shovel serve. Thats a new serve for me. I see a lot of high level pros (especially girls) do it. i get the same kind of spin than with the BH serve which is my base serve. so it should be the same game pattern. However it might be more deceptive to mix it with the BH serve.

To do the shovel serve, at the start the head of the bat is horizontal, my wrist is bent inside. The arm/elbow/hand are locked during the serve. Speed depends only on contact and on the speed of the body rotation. To do backspin, hit below the ball with the head of the racket. to do topspin/sidespin, hit the ball near the handle.

Also i think I FINALLY found how to serve short/half long and low with decent spin on the FH side. contrary to widespread common advice, my first bounce is in the first half of the table, but i contact aggressively the ball below with the head of the bat. Its always bouncing twice on the table, and the second bounce is rather near the edge. sometimes its hard spin, but most of the time low/medium, but because its not that long, and not that high, i know the ball should not come back short, and i feel its more predictable, even if the guy manages to flick/attack with his BH.

As for the game, the guy always tell me, "you should beat me you are better than me", but actually i had played him three different times already lost 1-3, 2-3, 2-3 (after a 2-0 lead)... this time i lost 1-3... during drilling i looked better than him, but i was always the one serving, during the match, i felt a bit at a loss on my receiving game (more than usual), and i was clearly more nervous than during the drills.

I'm not too upset, i know i played even better today than the other days, even though i lost again. This guy won with his serves, and i made too many mistakes on the 3rd attack. I think i was also a bit tired towards the end. 3rd ball is where i have to improve in priority, because in the rest of the game, i think my level is already above his and many of my opponents.
 
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Congratulations to all the winners :)

And of course also a big thank you to Nextlevel who organized this contest!
 
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Also i think I FINALLY found how to serve short/half long and low with decent spin on the FH side. contrary to widespread common advice, my first bounce is in the first half of the table, but i contact aggressively the ball below with the head of the bat. Its always bouncing twice on the table, and the second bounce is rather near the edge. sometimes its hard spin, but most of the time low/medium, but because its not that long, and not that high, i know the ball should not come back short, and i feel its more predictable, even if the guy manages to flick/attack with his BH.

Common advice on service is usually of very limited value to a serious server. Most people when describing how to serve short advocate a first bounce too close to the net on your side. The most important thing a high level server told me (Brett) was to focus on aiming the ball to the other side and making sure your first bounce on the other side is close to the net or within what he called the short service zone. If you can serve into that zone, it almost doesn't matter how fast your serve was or where the first bounce on your side was, it will almost always stay short. In fact, the faster you want to serve, the further your first bounce must be from the net on your side, but if you want to keep the serve short, the main thing is to get the first bounce on the opponent's side close to the net. Same for pushing or flicking or even slow looping.
 
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sometimes i can manage to serve low and really really short, like bounce just behind the net, I could film that and it would look great, but thats always after a few tries, to get the right feel, so its nearly impossible to use in match and its also difficult to hide...
 
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sometimes i can manage to serve low and really really short, like bounce just behind the net, I could film that and it would look great, but thats always after a few tries, to get the right feel, so its nearly impossible to use in match and its also difficult to hide...

Yes. A balance must be struck, because being too far from the net makes it harder to get over the net and stay short. So it is easier if you serve cross court and use some sidespin. USually, though, the enemy of consistency is too little spin. If you get enough spin, the spin will often control the ball and make many issues go away.

The thing though is that you don't want your serves to be short, IMO. What you really want is for the first bounce on your side for your short and half-long serves to be similar (I think I got this from Henzell). What I like to do is serve a couple short, because that establishes something. Then after that, serve as if they are short but make them mostly half long. That gives me easier balls to attack because the serve is harder to push short. Serving short without mixing it up will get you too many good long and short pushes against good players. But if they are reading the depth perfectly and attacking hard, then of course, you have to stay short.
 
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My first coach Alex Tam (coached me briefly in early 1980's) told me that when he was in China, he had to serve into a small bowl on the other side of the net. Inspired, at the time, this young grasshopper LOL
 
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8. RayLazyfo

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Indeed ... Congratulations to the Winners!

And a hearty Ho! Ho! Ho! to Santa Claus by way of NextLevel... thank you Sir!
 
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My first coach Alex Tam (coached me briefly in early 1980's) told me that when he was in China, he had to serve into a small bowl on the other side of the net. Inspired, at the time, this young grasshopper LOL

Very cool idea! Gotta try that!
I think i saw videos of that somewhere in the depths of youtube
 
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Very cool idea! Gotta try that!
I think i saw videos of that somewhere in the depths of youtube

Brett, in one of his service videos, shows the spin on his serve after the ball goes into a medium sized container... i imagine he can serve into a small container!
 
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