Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Richie]

Speaking of the Swedes beating China 5-0. I rewatched the documentary "Bragden" (the feat) of the time they did this and how they did it for probably the 5th or 6th time last night. Unfortunately the translation isn't the best but I highly recommend people to watch it! I just think it's brilliant.

 

[RidTheKid]

Speaking of the Swedes beating China 5-0. I rewatched the documentary "Bragden" (the feat) of the time they did this and how they did it for probably the 5th or 6th time last night. Unfortunately the translation isn't the best but I highly recommend people to watch it! I just think it's brilliant.

I remember this dearly. This surely was an insane feat, an unreal achievement. TT was never bigger in Sweden than at the time, and competition for spots on the team was fierce. Erik Lindh who was ranked 5th in the world and was in great shape was left out of the matches, that's how good this Swedish team was.

 

[Richie]

I remember this dearly. This surely was an insane feat, an unreal achievement. TT was never bigger in Sweden than at the time, and competition for spots on the team was fierce. Erik Lindh who was ranked 5th in the world and was in great shape was left out of the matches, that's how good this Swedish team was.

It seemed like everything just lined up perfectly and as they were saying when they played, they were just in the zone and everything felt easy, like they couldn't miss. I get goosebumps every time I watch those parts. I can only imagine how they felt at the time, must've felt absolutely unreal.

 

[Boogar]

Speaking of the Swedes beating China 5-0. I rewatched the documentary "Bragden" (the feat) of the time they did this and how they did it for probably the 5th or 6th time last night. Unfortunately the translation isn't the best but I highly recommend people to watch it! I just think it's brilliant.

Wohoo it finally has subtitles!! I have watched this a couple times, but i never saw it with subtiltles.
Cool stuff thanks for brining it up!

 

[Suga D]

Lets drop all of this arguing and as OSPH just talk about Table Tennis. I had good intentions, but none of them have come to fruition in the end. Ill think twice before sticking up for someone on here.

Back to TT:

Does anyone know a solution to dried water based glue?

Every time I re-glue my rubbers, I find myself attempting to scrape dried glue off my blade/sponge. And if I don't, I end up with bumps under the rubber. Is there an easy way to avoid this? Or do I need to scrape relentlessly every time?

Thanks

I remove the glue everytime, 'cause i also was getting those bumps. So i chose to use latex based glues that are easier removable.
By accident i found out that pouring a few drops of oil on the glued sponge helps me a lot to easier get rid of any kind of old glue.

 

[ttmonster]

@OSPH : I saw your post at the time but did not have time to respond. My two cents ... Normally when my shoulder starts hurting I focus on the following areas , whether I am holding the paddle too tight , I am using my core/legs, I am moving to the ball . Your video definitely shows that you are rusty but I was thinking that if you spend some time practicing footwork may be it will help you take some load off your shoulder , also rethink the shoes you are using ... and definitely make some time to meet with Carl and get some of the secret sauce ..

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

@OSPH : I saw your post at the time but did not have time to respond. My two cents ... Normally when my shoulder starts hurting I focus on the following areas , whether I am holding the paddle too tight , I am using my core/legs, I am moving to the ball . Your video definitely shows that you are rusty but I was thinking that if you spend some time practicing footwork may be it will help you take some load off your shoulder , also rethink the shoes you are using ... and definitely make some time to meet with Carl and get some of the secret sauce ..

THANK YOU TTMONSTER!

Paddle grip - i feel i don't grip hard. i have a loose grip to facilitate my punch and blocks. My actual grip is unlike oldschool PH grip of handle in web between index and thumb. I have handle closer to my index finger knuckle, this screws up my FH a tad i think, but it facilitates my punch/block game tremendously IMO.

I'm trying to lose weight, am heavyset and haven't played in 2-3 wks, so not moving well, but also generally footwork was bad... i haven't jumped rope recently ... when i was jumping regularly felt my footwork was better - lighter on my feet ... helped my stickfighting MA also.

But footwork is a definite weakness. Need to do more footwork drills.

LOL at my shoe/sneakers - old pair of Nike cross-trainers, all throughout my TT playing i've never worn the thin soled TT shoes/sneakers. Have either worn cross trainers or basketball sneakers. Unless you meant something else on the shoes.

Carl and I have conflicting schedules, but I'll hook up with him somehow hopefully next week before i play. He has relayed a tip already, which I will implement next time.

Thank you again ttmonster!!

 

[NextLevel]

Shoulder pain is almost always from overusing the upper arm. Hard but fixable with improved technique.

 

[SchemeSC]

I just wanted to use today's chit chat to whine a little bit about how much it sucks living in a TT starved area with no full-time club. In the winter, you can't play because everyone is constantly getting sick, or the weather is bad, or people are having car troubles. In the summer, you can't play because everyone is on vacation (never the same week you are, of course!) or people pick up other hobbies. So yeah, probably no TT for me for the next 3-4 days.

On a more positive note, I've been practicing NL's secret sauce backspin serve technique. This was probably the heaviest backspin serve I've ever hit. The ball double bounces on the opponent's side, hits the floor, and then rolls back to the wall about 10 feet behind me. Never done that before!

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

If you watch OSPH's most recent video and ignore everything else and just watch his shoulder, not even the arm, he is elevating the shoulder on most FH strokes and on some he is elevating it and rotating it.

What I was going to show him is getting him to try to learn to isolate the elbow/forearm while keeping the elbow a stable pivot.

That is what some people may call the Timo Boll technique. But it will help him hit while putting much less stress on his shoulder. When the shoulder is fully better he will likely be able to add some upper arm without stressing the shoulder since the lower arm will be part of the stroke as well. But right now, he is even replacing upper arm/gleno-humeral movement with replacement movements from the acromio-clavicular and stereo-clavicular joints.

The movements look like how someone in their 40s-50s starts moving their arm in the first stages as frozen shoulder syndrome starts to develop. Not to date you or scare you OSPH.

From the video, all I can see is that your humorus (upper arm bone) may not be moving in the gleno-humeral joint (main joint of the shoulder) the way it should.


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[Shuki]

The main problem with bad timing is that unless you are skilled in delayed whip mechanics, you often lose the ability to apply them when you backswing early as you tend to start your forward swing from a still position. Waiting for the ball to come down before you start your pattern lets you not lose momentum on the backswing and forwards swing and creates a sharp serve.

The early backswing server does have some delayed whip mechanics, but it is still relatively poor compared to my pattern.

is that the main problem with his serve? When I see high contact and someone struggling to get spin, I usually think that it's pretty hard to go through the ball quickly and get it to land on the table.

I think the delayed whip mechanics in his serve are definitely inferior compared to your pattern. But I also think the high contact is a big issue he would need to work on if he wants to be confident going through the ball quickly. He may be restraining himself.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Shoulder pain is almost always from overusing the upper arm. Hard but fixable with improved technique.

Thank you Sir.

*crosses fingers*

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Lots of 10 dollar words ... will meet up with you soon and my pea brain will understand you better

The movements look like how someone in their 40s-50s starts moving their arm in the first stages as frozen shoulder syndrome starts to develop. Not to date you or scare you OSPH.

LOL never shied away from telling people my age. I've started training a neigong set 2 yrs ago. *crosses fingers*

From the video, all I can see is that your humorus (upper arm bone) may not be moving in the gleno-humeral joint (main joint of the shoulder) the way it should.

i don't find this humerus.

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Seriously, THANK YOU CARL!

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

I just wanted to use today's chit chat to whine a little bit about how much it sucks living in a TT starved area with no full-time club. In the winter, you can't play because everyone is constantly getting sick, or the weather is bad, or people are having car troubles. In the summer, you can't play because everyone is on vacation (never the same week you are, of course!) or people pick up other hobbies. So yeah, probably no TT for me for the next 3-4 days.

(Begin Carl voice)

Shadow, footwork, ...

(/voice)

On a more positive note, I've been practicing NL's secret sauce backspin serve technique. This was probably the heaviest backspin serve I've ever hit. The ball double bounces on the opponent's side, hits the floor, and then rolls back to the wall about 10 feet behind me. Never done that before!

WHOA! Props and Respect!!

 

[NextLevel]

Thank you Sir.

*crosses fingers*

Since you have healthy knees, most of the work will be training yourself to rotate the core and do many drills fixing the upper arm range of motion. Relaxing the grip also helps as tensing too much with the wrong fingers keeps the arm perpetually tense.

 

[NextLevel]

I just wanted to use today's chit chat to whine a little bit about how much it sucks living in a TT starved area with no full-time club. In the winter, you can't play because everyone is constantly getting sick, or the weather is bad, or people are having car troubles. In the summer, you can't play because everyone is on vacation (never the same week you are, of course!) or people pick up other hobbies. So yeah, probably no TT for me for the next 3-4 days.

On a more positive note, I've been practicing NL's secret sauce backspin serve technique. This was probably the heaviest backspin serve I've ever hit. The ball double bounces on the opponent's side, hits the floor, and then rolls back to the wall about 10 feet behind me. Never done that before!

I didn't say I had the heaviest backspin serve in the state of PA for nothing... but yes, I can do stuff like that fairly consistently. That's why I don't think that serve pattern is about talent. Anytime I hear someone is even trying to mimic it, or I am coaching someone to use it, their quality of spin goes up pretty quickly once they figure out what is happening. If everyone was serving like that, I doubt I would be the one who produced the heaviest spin. It's just the kind of technical advantage similar to being able to produce spin with inverted vs. short pips.

 

[NextLevel]

If you watch OSPH's most recent video and ignore everything else and just watch his shoulder, not even the arm, he is elevating the shoulder on most FH strokes and on some he is elevating it and rotating it.

What I was going to show him is getting him to try to learn to isolate the elbow/forearm while keeping the elbow a stable pivot.

That is what some people may call the Timo Boll technique. But it will help him hit while putting much less stress on his shoulder. When the shoulder is fully better he will likely be able to add some upper arm without stressing the shoulder since the lower arm will be part of the stroke as well. But right now, he is even replacing upper arm/gleno-humeral movement with replacement movements from the acromio-clavicular and stereo-clavicular joints.

The movements look like how someone in their 40s-50s starts moving their arm in the first stages as frozen shoulder syndrome starts to develop. Not to date you or scare you OSPH.

From the video, all I can see is that your humorus (upper arm bone) may not be moving in the gleno-humeral joint (main joint of the shoulder) the way it should.


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PRobably a little similar to how I think people who don't bend their knees should loop.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Since you have healthy knees, most of the work will be training yourself to rotate the core and do many drills fixing the upper arm range of motion. Relaxing the grip also helps as tensing too much with the wrong fingers keeps the arm perpetually tense.

Your grip comment coupled with ttmonster's grip comment ... hmmm... when i'm free late tonight, will have to check out my grip.

Thank you again Sir!

 

[NextLevel]

is that the main problem with his serve? When I see high contact and someone struggling to get spin, I usually think that it's pretty hard to go through the ball quickly and get it to land on the table.

I think the delayed whip mechanics in his serve are definitely inferior compared to your pattern. But I also think the high contact is a big issue he would need to work on if he wants to be confident going through the ball quickly. He may be restraining himself.

I agree. The issue with serving is that when you have the wrong form, there is a painful rebuild to get the right stuff in place. I Want to get him to do the right serving form first with whip pattern and timing. When he has those things, fixing the serve quality etc. is straightforward. But as you can see from Ringer's backspin serve, if my student can create massive spin with the pattern, then subsequent questions related to adjusting height will be in the context of his already heavy spin. If I tell him to serve lower, then he will still have to relearn that when he improves his pattern.

 

[NextLevel]

Your grip comment coupled with ttmonster's grip comment ... hmmm... when i'm free late tonight, will have to check out my grip.

Thank you again Sir!

It's a Chinese secret... but you have to wait for the part that applies to shakehanders...