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What is the best alternative for Tenergy 05?
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Just because the CNT does not use them for their backhands that does not mean that they cannot be used in the backhand. I have seen actually quite a bunch of people that like it on the backhand because of the control that it has and how easy it is to lift backspin. The only problem is that they cannot attack with a lot of speed as they can do it with the forehand due to the full swing and the body weight transfer. That is why they work more their footwork since their main shot is the forehand and the backhand is just an additional shot which sometimes is only used to keep the rally going. Now if you want to have full speed with your backhand that is why you have tension sponge rubbers or rubbers with springy sponge. It all depends on what you like and the style of play of each player...
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don't assume i said that based on the chinese team because i didn't. fact of the matter is just generally not practical for the full range of backhand strokes and the backhand mechanics
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Sorry but it is just that many people do so and i generalized the idea without any meaning of offending you. Besides that, if there are people that are happy using Hurricane 3 Neo in the BH, I dont see why somebody else wouldn´t try it...
I think it would´ve been wiser to explain why they should not try it and why they should go for some other rubbers. That is the idea of the forum that we can share everyone´s point of view to help each other or new players that are looking for some information...
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I agree with this. Hurricane is a great rubber for the forehand but not so great for the backhand. More on why, because the backhand stroke is a short stroke, it is much better to use how you generate mechanical spin from a softer sponge with a non-tacky, grippy topsheet than the how you generate spin with a hard sponge and a tacky topsheet for the backhand. It also helps you get more power in your loops but, it gives you much more control in looping underspin, short, over the table than you would have with Hurricane. And then when you need the extra power, the backhand stroke is not big enough to get that from Hurricane sponge so the Euro/Japanese type soft rubber is much better for giving you that extra pop on your backhand loops. But Hurricane is a great rubber for the forehand. Many gears for the forehand's range of strokes.
I also know people who have used Hurricane on the backhand, so you can do it. But I don't know anyone who did it for intelligent reasons and I don't know anyone who did that and would not have been better served by having a different rubber on their backhand.
On the subject of whether Hurricane is a good replacement for Tenergy on the forehand, in one sense, no and in another sense, yes. Hurricane is not a replacement for Tenergy because it is such a very different kind of rubber. But Hurricane is one of the best rubbers for the forehand, so, if you get used to it, it might be better than Tenergy for the forehand. But someone who is used to Tenergy and Euro/Japanese rubbers might have to take a few weeks to a month to get used to Hurricane before they would be able to fully utilize it, but, in many ways, it is a better rubber for the forehand than Tenergy.
Xiom Vega Pro, Xiom Omega III, Euro, Asia, and Xiom Omega IV Euro, Asia and Pro are all great, less expensive replacements for Tenergy.
I keep hearing people on this forum talking about the new Rubbers from Addidas as being better than Tenergy but I have never used them yet.
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H3 and Skyline3 are okay rubbers for the Backhand if you prefer a controlled or defensive game. They're great for most counters and pushes, but not so great for rallying on the BH. The best alternative for Tenergy is most likely going to be the Adidas brand. JOOLA USA is the U.S. distributor of Adidas so I've had a chance to hit with the rubbers as well as with the National Champion and Steven Chan both 2600 U.S. skill level players. They both agree that with the right marketing you will soon see a shift in the Butterfly madness. The problem in the U.S. is that a majority of players use Tenergy because they like the extra speed and spin it provides, but what they gain in those areas they lose in fundamentals and technique. Most professionals will agree that until you reach the 2250+ level as far as technique goes you really shouldn't be using Tenergy as it really hinders your stroke. There are far better rubbers to learn how to properly rip and loop a ball and Tenergy should only be an extension of your skillsets not the majority of why you make your shots.
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I totally disagree about H3 Neo on BH. I tried it out on BH for 3-4 months. Worked perfectly OK on BH. I have a few different BH shots. The biggest ones are the BH Opening Loop with Heavy spin, the BH fast loop, and a very powerful BH drive that can be either flat or loaded with spin. I played the daughter of Lee Jae Chul (a former Korean national player who still runs a club in Mapo) the daughter is a top junior player prolly around 2400-2500 USATT. In BH to BH rallies that she liked, she had a hard time making more than 3 shots in a row. She hit some out, she hit some into the net. She told me and her father that she could not read the spin form the "Chinese" rubber. Very few players in Korea use Chinese rubber. Most use BTY, Xiom, Yasaka and such. Most Korean shakehad players have a very flat BH drive in BH to BH exchanges. I like to sometimes add spin, sometime add speed. That is what troubled her. I could do that with H3 NEO. To be fair, I can do that with my longtime BH rubber Dawei XP 2008 Super Power, an Allround OFF $7 USD Sriver replacement rubber.
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I totally agree with Richard on too many newbs and mid level players using Tenergy without it really helping them grow. Still, every man and woman is their own man and woman and more power to them. (Oh, and more $$$ to BTY)
As for T05, there is no rubber like it out there, period. It has its own thing and no rubber does it the same way and feel.
I can suggest a couple other rubbers that get the job done very well, but way different ways than T05.
Tibhar Aurus and Stiga Calibra LT. I have written enough about these two to not repeat it here.
The thing that Richard addresses about technique is valid. However, most USA TT players do not get a chance to even half-azz properly train. Too many TT clubs are not full time dedicated facilities and the overwhelming majority of activity in any TT club in USA is matches. there are simply too many players waiting for a table in the rented gym or school facility to do any training, unless you show up right when they open SAT AM (Who gets up early on Sat AM???) with your partner, and even then, you got maybe an hour or two if you are lucky.
Training and overcoming the mistakes through awareness and training are more important for development than simply replacing FH rubber to a real spinny one. Training is real important, but outside of match play, it is unrealistic for the majority of USA club players. That USA club situation is changing and improving, (such as new full time 16 table clubs like Austin TTC in TX) but at the current moment and for the next 10 years, most USA clubs will be part time things renting out gym space and having too many players per table. USA is simply to far spread out over an entirely too large area to support multible full time clubs in each city. We would need 25,000 clubs to get to that point and right now, the number of full time clubs is easily only double digit under 100.
As for T05, there is no rubber like it out there, period. It has its own thing and no rubber does it the same way and feel.
I can suggest a couple other rubbers that get the job done very well, but way different ways than T05.
Tibhar Aurus and Stiga Calibra LT. I have written enough about these two to not repeat it here.
The thing that Richard addresses about technique is valid. However, most USA TT players do not get a chance to even half-azz properly train. Too many TT clubs are not full time dedicated facilities and the overwhelming majority of activity in any TT club in USA is matches. there are simply too many players waiting for a table in the rented gym or school facility to do any training, unless you show up right when they open SAT AM (Who gets up early on Sat AM???) with your partner, and even then, you got maybe an hour or two if you are lucky.
Training and overcoming the mistakes through awareness and training are more important for development than simply replacing FH rubber to a real spinny one. Training is real important, but outside of match play, it is unrealistic for the majority of USA club players. That USA club situation is changing and improving, (such as new full time 16 table clubs like Austin TTC in TX) but at the current moment and for the next 10 years, most USA clubs will be part time things renting out gym space and having too many players per table. USA is simply to far spread out over an entirely too large area to support multible full time clubs in each city. We would need 25,000 clubs to get to that point and right now, the number of full time clubs is easily only double digit under 100.
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I have tried using Joola Energy ang liked it a lot, this Express Two is now definitely on my "wish list"
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Its okay (rather good for me) but probably not the best choice due to backhand's natural strokes..
There is a reason why almost all pros use Euro/Jap rubber on their backhand instead!
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actually everysince i started playing i used H3 neo on FH and BH! hahah i honestly liked it...and some people at my school said my backhand was nice....but after about 5 months of playing i switched it for Skyline 3 neo....honestly i never felt the difference.......just last week though i officially traded my backhand for a sanwei t88-i because of the reviews i found of people saying its equal to more spin than tenergy....i honestly cant compare since ive only tried this dude at schools tenergy for a few mins and that was on a different blade...but i honestly really liked hurricane 3 neo for BH
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its faster than T05, spin is less but not by a big margin but from my experience T05 is more durable than VP, both are high throw rubbers
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each rubber is really different from each other so no rubber is a clone of tenergy likewise no rubber is the same as VP, right now im also looking for an alternative of T05 and ive been using Aurus for a week i say its a good alternative, both have high throw although aurus is lower but still high throw, softer by 1 or 2 degrees, cant speak of durability since its 1 only been a week since ive been using it. i also ordered a sheet of P5 and will be getting it tomorrow, many swears that its a good alternative for T05, well i thought i give it a try
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