Basic advice on knowing spin from long pips?

[UpSideDownCarl]

I completely agree with you that looping with underspin is less damaging to the rubber than looping against the spin. That is not the point I am making.

I am saying that playing against LP, 99% of loops (with the spin and against the spin) are with the FH. And probably 75% of all shots in general are with the FH. This causes the FH rubber and BH rubber to wear out at different rates, which I don't like.

Playing against inverted rubber is more balanced wear and tear.

Very interesting that someone who wonders why a club owner may not have time to do high level training to keep her level up, or why a very high level player would live in USA, Coach in USA and play tournaments in USA (as though he needs a reason, or that paying the rent is not enough), but does not like the idea that one rubber will wear out faster if he plays LP players......when.....if he played LP players a decent amount, his level would probably go up much more than with any of the training he is currently doing.....I find this interesting.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Very interesting that someone who wonders why a club owner may not have time to do high level training to keep her level up, or why a very high level player would live in USA, Coach in USA and play tournaments in USA (as though he needs a reason, or that paying the rent is not enough), but does not like the idea that one rubber will wear out faster if he plays LP players......when.....if he played LP players a decent amount, his level would probably go up much more than with any of the training he is currently doing.....I find this interesting.

Well both things can be true at the same time without being contradictory. Playing against LP can be beneficial for your game. and it can also be frustrating if you like your rubber setups the way I do.

So I decided to create an extra spare racket with an old rubber pair just for specific use against LP. I can get the practice in that you are recommending, and avoid wearing out my main rubbers unevenly.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

BTW, Floyd Mayweather is one of the best boxers of all time. Literally no professional boxer was ever able to beat him, or even pose a serious threat to him.

Now he goes around making $10 million just for boxing exhibition matches against youtube influencers who have no chance of winning against him.

He's doing it just to make money of course, but a lot of people don't like him because he is taking advantage of the system. So financially, he is making the smart move. In the spirit of sportsmanship, its a low move.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I guess you have a right to your choices. I am just saying, you are worrying about a very inexpensive rubber when you are also questioning how other people make their living.

And I still think both KL and TB have a right to their own ways of making a living. And, if people are paying Floyd Mayweather that kind of money, I am not sure that is a problem either. Nobody would consider it boxing. But those people are paying to say they got in the ring with a legend and he gets to provide them with that experience.

My experience is that, my FH rubber always wears faster than my BH rubber because of how much bigger the impact on FH is. But I still just change my rubbers when I feel like it. And a little more visible wear does not really effect the grip of the rubber. When I feel the sponge is not as elastic, or the topsheet is not as grippy or as elastic, that is when I change rubbers.

But, again, you have a right to your own choices.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

I guess you have a right to your choices. I am just saying, you are worrying about a very inexpensive rubber when you are also questioning how other people make their living.

And I still think both KL and TB have a right to their own ways of making a living. And, if people are paying Floyd Mayweather that kind of money, I am not sure that is a problem either. Nobody would consider it boxing. But those people are paying to say they got in the ring with a legend and he gets to provide them with that experience.

My experience is that, my FH rubber always wears faster than my BH rubber because of how much bigger the impact on FH is. But I still just change my rubbers when I feel like it. And a little more visible wear does not really effect the grip of the rubber. When I feel the sponge is not as elastic, or the topsheet is not as grippy or as elastic, that is when I change rubbers.

But, again, you have a right to your own choices.

Just playing against inverted players, FH rubber wears more than BH rubber. This already annoys me to be honest.

But playing against pips even exacerbates the wear on the FH side. Now I really don't like this.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

BTW, Floyd Mayweather himself referred to his exhibition matches as "legalized highway robbery". So he himself knows he is selling snake oil, but doesn't care.

So I can't really agree with the idea that consumers are being properly compensated with something of equal value.

 

[Lazer]

Just playing against inverted players, FH rubber wears more than BH rubber. This already annoys me to be honest.

But playing against pips even exacerbates the wear on the FH side. Now I really don't like this.

You really need better rubbers…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I don’t know. If Mayweather is coercing people to pay him, that is one thing. If he is finding people willing to pay him of their own free will, then that is simply part of a capitalist economic system and a statement like the one you quoted above is trash talk and bragging to disrespect the people who are and have been willing to pay him.

What are $1g+ tickets to the Super Bowl? How about the idea that as a company Apple is valued by the stock market at over $2T….there are whole countries whose economy is not worth that much.

I won’t pay it. But if there are people who have that kind of money and Mayweather has gotten them to pay him wild amounts of cash to step in the ring with them, it is not against any laws.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

I don’t know. If Mayweather is coercing people to pay him, that is one thing. If he is finding people willing to pay him of their own free will, then that is simply part of a capitalist economic system and a statement like the one you quoted above is trash talk and bragging to disrespect the people who are and have been willing to pay him.

What are $1g+ tickets to the Super Bowl? How about the idea that as a company Apple is valued by the stock market at over $2T….there are whole countries whose economy is not worth that much.

I won’t pay it. But if there are people who have that kind of money and Mayweather has gotten them to pay him wild amounts of cash to step in the ring with them, it is not against any laws.

I knew you would say something like that. That's the classic capitalist argument. But it is flawed. There is a reason certain industries are regulated to protect consumers against harmful business practices.

Humans will pay astronomical prices for products that have little to no value for themselves, often times negative value for themselves. In those situations, the government deems it necessary to step in and regulate capitalist markets to protect consumers. There are many regulated markets in the US where companies are restricted on the fees they can charge. It is also part of the "capitalist" system.

There's a reason that Mayweather and drug dealers have the highest margins in the world.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

There is a reason most developed and civilized nations regulate drug pricing. People need access to drugs without sacrificing their financial future.

You can argue "nobody is coercing them, if they are are willing to pay higher prices, so they should pay higher prices". But that's not a net positive for civilization. Thus: we have regulation in industries where the potential for consumer harm exists.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I am not exactly a capitalist. But we can agree to disagree. I think it is interesting that you would prohibit people who have the money from spending it how they want.

And, in the USA, are prescription drug prices actually and adequately regulated? Interesting argument.

I would agree with the idea that they should be. But I would not agree with the idea that we need to protect people who are extremely wealthy from squandering their money.

If there were ideas for making things more fair and evening out the wealth gap, I am fine with that. But if someone has tens of millions of dollars to waste, I would not limit how that person spent their money as long as they are spending it on things that are not against the law or encourage criminal behavior.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

I am not exactly a capitalist. But we can agree to disagree. I think it is interesting that you would prohibit people who have the money from spending it how they want.

And, in the USA, are prescription drug prices actually and adequately regulated? Interesting argument.

I would agree with the idea that they should be. But I would not agree with the idea that we need to protect people who are extremely wealthy from squandering their money.

If there were ideas for making things more fair and evening out the wealth gap, I am fine with that. But if someone has tens of millions of dollars to waste, I would not limit how that person spent their money as long as they are spending it on things that are not against the law or encourage criminal behavior.

USA is one of the only countries that do not regulate drug prices. but most of Europe, Japan, probably China regulate drug prices.

But USA regulates plenty of other things, railroad, gaming, telecom, etc.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

USA is one of the only countries that do not regulate drug prices. but most of Europe, Japan, probably China regulate drug prices.

But USA regulates plenty of other things, railroad, gaming, telecom, etc.

Is there any country that limits the ways in which multimillionaires and billionaires can legally spend their money?

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Is there any country that limits the amount multimillionaires and billionaires can spend their money?

Um, I guess China is testing something along those lines by pushing the ultra-rich to spend on productive investments to give back to society.

But that's not really my point. My point is protecting the common man from exploitative spending. I'm not really talking about protecting multimillionaries.

The common man is relatively easy to exploit by the Mayweathers and drug dealers of the world, the casinos, big pharma companies.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Um, I guess China is testing something along those lines by pushing the ultra-rich to spend on productive investments to give back to society.

But that's not really my point. My point is protecting the common man from exploitative spending. I'm not really talking about protecting multimillionaries.

The common man is relatively easy to exploit by the Mayweathers and drug dealers of the world, the casinos, big pharma companies.

Are the people who are paying Mayweather 10s of millions of $$$$ the common folk who don't have that kind of pocket change?

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Are the people who are paying Mayweather 10s of millions of $$$$ the common folk who don't have that kind of pocket change?

Yes, they are people who sit at home and pay $100 to watch one of his Pay per view shows. They are probably mostly living paycheck to paycheck.

The millions Mayweather makes is in aggregate from hundreds of thousands of PPV buyers.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Yes, they are people who sit at home and pay $100 to watch one of his Pay per view shows. They are probably mostly living paycheck to paycheck.

The millions Mayweather makes is in aggregate from hundreds of thousands of PPV buyers.

So, wait, do you oppose the price of tickets to a football game?

Thousands of people paying $100.00 a pop for a payperview thing where an old fighter is fighting a nobody....How do you feel about NetFlix, HBO, cable or satellite monthly charges.....how did you feel about when Mike Tyson fought Roy Jones Jr? I would not have paid for it. But it is entertaining to me that anybody would pay to watch two old has-beens.

But the real question is, what does Mayweather have to do with cheap rubbers wearing out when you play vs LP players?

 

[Michael Zhuang]

So, wait, do you oppose the price of tickets to a football game?

Thousands of people paying $100.00 a pop for a payperview thing where an old fighter is fighting a nobody....How do you feel about NetFlix, HBO, cable or satellite monthly charges.....how did you feel about when Mike Tyson fought Roy Jones Jr? I would not have paid for it. But it is entertaining to me that anybody would pay to watch two old has-beens.

But the real question is, what does Mayweather have to do with cheap rubbers wearing out when you play vs LP players?

Well to be honest, I do think that many industries should be more regulated based on their productivity and desirability to civilization. I would not be opposed to putting a cap on a football game to protect the consumer, or taxing excessive profits from the industry.

America levies heavy taxes on gaming industry because its deemed undesirable, and doesn't provide any real benefit to society or consumers. To me, two old guys boxing each other largely falls under the same category.

We need science, technology, healthcare, household goods, beneficial products.

We don't need drugs, alcohol, gambling, excessive youtube influencers.

Basically what is considered a net positive for our citizens, and what is considered a net negative. But oh well, I'm not running for congress, and I don't think my ultra-rational ultra-pragmatic approach would be popular in America. Maybe in Singapore or something.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

How do you feel about the world of professional wrestling? Is that different than what you are describing with Mayweather?

Is Mayweather actually hurting his untrained opponents?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

To some extent, I do agree that it is crazy that people pay the prices they do for a football game, or for something ridiculous like watching Tyson v Jones Jr. But I also don't know that it is fair to stop people from doing stuff like paying to watch it.