Some of my today training footage

[Kopp]

.. go back to the neutral position before he played the next ball, because the movement from neutral position to close to the table with the right leg under the table is a very important part of the whole move/stroke.

.. you know the next ball will come high you are missing the crucial transition from neutral position to the smash/kill position and you will make lateral movements while standing tall instead of moving like you are supposed to.

.. footwork to be at least 70% of table tennis. He always says "If your legs dont make it to the right position, your hand will not stand a chance to make up for it". ..
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Although I'm just starting to learn TT, from my mistakes, I can 100% agree with that.

.. i also know players with less coaching but better technique and skill after 2 years.

There are, in fact, many of them.

It's a reality check, and OP shouldn't take this negatively.

 

[SleepyMaster]

Your coach could have told you and it is very easy to understand if you take the analogy of the "short push" practice.

The practice is you stand in the neutral position, the coach plays a very short serve and you step into the table with your right leg under the table to get closer and you push short or flip.

If you would just stay like that with the right leg under the table already bending over the table the coach (if he is a proper one), would tell you to go back to the neutral position before he played the next ball, because the movement from neutral position to close to the table with the right leg under the table is a very important part of the whole move/stroke.

Now try to do the thought transfer.
If you stay upright/tall on those smashes because you know the next ball will come high you are missing the crucial transition from neutral position to the smash/kill position and you will make lateral movements while standing tall instead of moving like you are supposed to.

Don't get me wrong, footwork is probably also the thing i have the most potential to improve upon (that is a nice way of saying my footwork is shit), because it is super important for table tennis. My coach estimates footwork to be at least 70% of table tennis. He always says "If your legs dont make it to the right position, your hand will not stand a chance to make up for it". We are talking about players that played 1. Bundesliga in Germany, so perhaps they know a thing or two about the sport.

I have not even had a 10th of your coaching lessons, but i know that these are the things my coach would tell me to take care of so it is easy for me to spot in others.



You are pretty judging for somebody just a few weeks ago crying about not being taken seriously even though nobody saw how you actually played (which we are all still very keen to see you perform against those long-term players that you beat).

In this case, sorry, but you have no clue, if you think executing the strokes from the neutral position is stupid, because you already know how the ball comes in a drill.

how dare you imply i had no clue even though you never saw me play or do a drill ?

But let's leave it that way. You think you have it all figured out and your non polite cocky way of putting others down comes from the illusion that you are a very unique talent, but tbh what i can see in the drills you posted the level of technique i see is exactly what i would expect if somebody played that much table tennis and got that much coaching.

You are not that special. I have seen people with more table tennis experience have worse technique definitely, but i also know players with less coaching but better technique and skill after 2 years.

Dude, I have already knowing, that you are handicapped, after you paid for the racket in different currency that we are agreed. Making yourself paying less, without my permission to that, and you where only one “gifted” guy who did it

So much blah blah blah, and again, with zero sense. Upload your video, and we will see how clean and good your technique is. And we are will admit, that we are wrong - something telling me, that your are just not, bc no sense quotes that you giving. We didn’t practice “ short push” and attack after it - this a totally different drill. I can do it with no problems. How does it correlates with openings against long pushes? Are you really so special? And again, I’m playing for a year not two, and I told, that all of this moves is a basic moves, not some super duper high level stuff.

I wanna see you loops, counter loops, wanna see you lob smashing, openings, etc - go get it, my dear friend of Greta 😄

Get some level and knowledge, and first of all - some manners, and then i will, maybe, answer to you some day with all the respect to your abilities and technique

 

[SleepyMaster]

Although I'm just starting to learn TT, from my mistakes, I can 100% agree with that.


There are, in fact, many of them.

It's a reality check, and OP shouldn't take this negatively.

Reality check from a guys, who can’t spin a ball but he knows that we need to stay low and put one leg under the table, and another one, who can’t hit a table at all, okay guys!

I prefer to take my reality check from weekly tourney, that i play, rather than from random dudes advices. Good luck 👍

 

[JJ Ng]

I just came back to this thread after getting lots of notifications. the thread has become....well...quite negative.

I think we should be able to agree on a few things:

1) People play table tennis differently. One person of playing does not have to equate the other person's style. Sometimes you just look at the whole picture. Look at the way the player moves and if it looks coordinated and efficient, and he can execute it on time, I don't care if someone has one leg under the table or no leg under the table. Or if someone is in ready position before smashing a lobe.

You have all seen people smashing Adam Boborow's lobes. Some people can do it, some people cannot. Adam has beaten many players higher rated than him (because they have not seen that style before). Adam has lost to many players lower rated than him as well because they just smash as hard and as flat as they can (screw top spin....).

2) grandMast3r obviously has good fundmental. I don't know if we really need to see a game or match video. Look, I am here in Canada. Somebody else is in Autralia. Another person is in Germany. So grandMast3r might be or might not be beating people who are rated USATT 2000 level or above. Why does it matter? If grandMast3r has done it great. If he has not done it, he is certainly working toward it. Pulling up some video does not really matter.

We are here to enjoy the sport, not to bicker.

3) Finally grandMast3r has managed to start playing table tennis and training in the midst of a war. The bombs are going off while they are practicing at the training hall. I think there are bigger things in life than bickering on TTD forum.

 

[SleepyMaster]

I just came back to this thread after getting lots of notifications. the thread has become....well...quite negative.

I think we should be able to agree on a few things:

1) People play table tennis differently. One person of playing does not have to equate the other person's style. Sometimes you just look at the whole picture. Look at the way the player moves and if it looks coordinated and efficient, and he can execute it on time, I don't care if someone has one leg under the table or no leg under the table. Or if someone is in ready position before smashing a lobe.

You have all seen people smashing Adam Boborow's lobes. Some people can do it, some people cannot. Adam has beaten many players higher rated than him (because they have not seen that style before). Adam has lost to many players lower rated than him as well because they just smash as hard and as flat as they can (screw top spin....).

2) grandMast3r obviously has good fundmental. I don't know if we really need to see a game or match video. Look, I am here in Canada. Somebody else is in Autralia. Another person is in Germany. So grandMast3r might be or might not be beating people who are rated USATT 2000 level or above. Why does it matter? If grandMast3r has done it great. If he has not done it, he is certainly working toward it. Pulling up some video does not really matter.

We are here to enjoy the sport, not to bicker.

3) Finally grandMast3r has managed to start playing table tennis and training in the midst of a war. The bombs are going off while they are practicing at the training hall. I think there are bigger things in life than bickering on TTD forum.

I don’t really understand why people can be triggered by my thread. I uploaded video bc I give my word on it for respected members of the forum, not to prove that I’m the coolest guy here, I’m far from that, and admitted, that I have done a lot amount of training, but I need a lot more to do, to became good at TT.

But few of the most special guys, trying to teach me on the things, and giving advices that i really have no need to. For now I just happy if I can wake up in the morning, and alive, that my family is alive. That i can keep my training and my progress. I’m going to this forum to relax, not to fighting with some people that I never met in a real life.

But I get it, the less experience people have - the more advices they give, the more triggered they became by some one else progress. I should do this, I should do that - blah blah blah. That’s funny how it goes really 😄

 

[NDH]

Yeah, let’s not let this descend into negativity.

Remember, we have loads of people from different countries all trying to speak English - Tone and true meaning can sometimes be lost.

As far as I can see, GM hasn’t asked for any advice - He’s posted video of his play (which was requested by others) to show his level.

This helps the rest of the forum understand his points in more detail when he’s commenting on others.

If he comments on training, drills and ways to improve, you know he’s got the history to support his argument.

And I don’t see him commenting on advanced match play, because he knows he’s not got to that level.

He absolutely could comment on it if he wanted, and it would be his own opinion, but it would be an opinion in the context of his own personal journey so far.

Sure, comments from everyone can sometimes seem like they are a bit judgmental, wrong, mean, or just hard to fully understand given the language issues.

But as my favourite TV character in the whole world said…….(Ted Lasso)….

“Be curious, not judgemental”.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

darn it JJ & NDH for being a voice of moderation. I was just heating up some popcorn with extra caramel and pouring myself a Root beer!

 

[JJ Ng]

darn it JJ & NDH for being a voice of moderation. I was just heating up some popcorn with extra caramel and pouring myself a Root beer!

Lol, gozo's daily three-times-a-day virtual visits to TTD Forum has replaced his love for watching soap opera on tv.

 

[Kopp]

Let's be fair to everyone. As with any other forum, when someone creates a thread, it doesn't mean he owns it or can dictate how people should respond, or how he should be treated, does it?

Freedom of speech is what it is.

Carl has told us to upload videos to the Video Footage Safe Thread if the uploader doesn't want to be commented. Otherwise, anyone can give any comment.

 

[IB66]

$15 per hour is CRAZY good value for an hour of 1 to 1 coaching!

$35 per month just to be a member seems expensive for most people - But given how much you play, I would say it was still very good value for money.

To put it into perspective, most UK clubs would cost $50-150 for the entire YEAR.

But those clubs would only have 1 or 2 days per week where the club was open, and most of the time it would just be 7pm to 10pm......

I play for 3 clubs.
1st is about £40 a year, no club night, matches only. We can book the hall for no extra charge, which is great!! Usually out of match season and weekends.
2nd is £100 a year, no club night (except in summer, July to end Aug when we can play once a week for 3hrs for pre season practice) generally matches only.
3rd has a club night but clashes with coaching, £6 per match, no fees per year.

coaching prices (1 to 1) vary from £25/hr up to £80+/hr depending on the standard / reputation of the coach. (possibly higher, but £80 is the highest I’ve heard of so far!!) some coaches cost includes table time, some may ask that you hire hall / table time.

 

[IB66]

As I already told, the prices on a private coaching here in Ukraine, and for really good one, are much cheaper than other countries. Many good coaches are flying away, for this reason, the son of my coach, national level player, are now living and coaching in Dubai. That’s why guys like Kou Lei living and coaching in US right now - they making some money there by coaching and winning prize tournaments.

I pay about 15$ per hour, so it’s about 300$ per week. 1200$ for a month. Club membership is about 35$ for a month as well. Not a really big amount for a hobby, that I enjoy.
But again when I’m telling 20 hours, it’s including sparring games, and a tourney one time a week - I don’t need to pay for that. Usually my session with a coach is about 2-3 hours maximum. And after that I play a matches with available partners.

I will try to record some games if I can. There is some reason, that many people in TT, are against the recording while playing a match. But it’s just a matter of time, when I will able to do it

I’ve haven’t recorded loads of matches, but so far no one has objected.
A couple of players asked me to send them a copy,(many local league club players haven’t seen videos of themselves playing)
I usually receive an thank you email of which there’s one paragraph saying something like- “s**t I look terrible!!”!!!!!! “A real eye opener!!!”
It seems to spur them on though, wanting to improve!!

 

[SleepyMaster]

I’ve haven’t recorded loads of matches, but so far no one has objected.
A couple of players asked me to send them a copy,(many local league club players haven’t seen videos of themselves playing)
I usually receive an thank you email of which there’s one paragraph saying something like- “s**t I look terrible!!”!!!!!! “A real eye opener!!!”
It seems to spur them on though, wanting to improve!!

I’m pretty sure, I will be on that category too. On yesterday tourney, I was able to get many wins - but the kind of fashion that those wins were achieved - I didn’t really enjoyed. Most of the points is just result of bad serve receives from my opp. Besides three or four games were was a counterloops from both sides, and some long of a rally. And 100% it should look not so good on a video. So, I’m not surprised that people reacted that way. Again, I’m not seeing myself as super player, I can play good game, I can play rather bad game - giving my opponent to playing by his stronger sides. But all this is results of an luck of experience, and stability on the table. So i need to keep practice

 

[NDH]

Let's be fair to everyone. As with any other forum, when someone creates a thread, it doesn't mean he owns it or can dictate how people should respond, or how he should be treated, does it?

Freedom of speech is what it is.

Carl has told us to upload videos to the Video Footage Safe Thread if the uploader doesn't want to be commented. Otherwise, anyone can give any comment.

But wouldn’t this forum be a better place if people could post video (even in their own threads) without the risk of judgement, criticism and “Online coaches” telling them where to improve?

Sure, freedom of speech is a thing….. But just because you can say something, it doesn’t mean you should.

Perhaps the “rule” should be that all video that is posted does not permit online critics to voice their opinion unless specifically asked.

I’ll never stop beating the drum that I think this forum would be so much more welcoming if everyone posted video of themselves, and I’ll always oppose anything that potentially threatens that.

You wouldn’t go up to random strangers in a table tennis hall and start giving them tips on where to improve, despite “freedom of speech” allowing you to…..

What gives you the thought that you can do it here?

Lastly, have you posted video of yourself?

If not, would you?

If you wouldn’t, why not?

Perhaps I’m wrong, but I’d guess that those who have posted video feel it’s been a hugely positive experience to their time on the forum, and the readers absolutely appreciate it.

Win win! 😊

 

[SleepyMaster]

Keeping test with an FZDALC, it goes great for now. I feel that it is more linear than HALC - maybe bc limba is kinda more flexing when power loop. Cmon, TT guys and nerds, give me some sort of an advice on how to loop 🤓

 

[SleepyMaster]

Damn, baby, all I need - just a little bit (of TT)

 

[SleepyMaster]

Today was doing multi-ball, and after that few set with another coach student that came to training after me, he is little bit weaker player, even started to play one year before me (but to be fare - two times a week, not 4-6 like me😇)

So highlight of the game didn’t show nothing, just what I was able to record, and he is a very kind dude, was didn’t mind at all, that i recording

 

[SleepyMaster]

 

[Jslick89]

Nice reverse pendulum serve. Just curious, what level in the Ukrainian system would you rank your opponent in this match? To me, you have clearly outmatched this opponent, but, by my eye test, he does not seem to be rated very high. maybe 700 or 800 USATT

 

[SleepyMaster]

Nice reverse pendulum serve. Just curious, what level in the Ukrainian system would you rank your opponent in this match? To me, you have clearly outmatched this opponent, but, by my eye test, he does not seem to be rated very high. maybe 700 or 800 USATT

Hi is typical grown man that learning TT, first year he even can't perform proper topspin, and moving racket weirdly, on the second year - he is able to topspin some, but the power is very low. He is pretty okay on practice - but this matchup is just too much for him. When he just practicing - he able to topspin, able to blocking, looping an underspin. But my coach telling me that its a norm for most adults, will see how he perform, in three or more years. And he is training just for fun, im training to progress. I don't even know what's he's Ukrainian rating maybe 0, bc he is mostly playing with friends, its obvious that he is lacking serious match practice. It was just a fun match, as I told nothing serious.

I don't know how much he is in USATT but he blocking some few good topspins - this is already a good sign, and he tried to openup with some sort of success, but not scoring much points from it.
Just when the levels are so different it seemed much worst than it is.

Thanks for the reverse pendulum complement, im fooling around pretty good players some times with it, and winning points straight by the serving.

 

[Jslick89]

Hi is typical grown man that learning TT, first year he even can't perform proper topspin, and moving racket weirdly, on the second year - he is able to topspin some, but the power is very low. He is pretty okay on practice - but this matchup is just too much for him. When he just practicing - he able to topspin, able to blocking, looping an underspin. But my coach telling me that its a norm for most adults, will see how he perform, in three or more years. And he is training just for fun, im training to progress. I don't even know what's he's Ukrainian rating maybe 0, bc he is mostly playing with friends, its obvious that he is lacking serious match practice. It was just a fun match, as I told nothing serious.

Thanks for the reverse pendulum complement, im fooling around pretty good players some times with it, and winning points straight by the serving.

0! lol. Hopefully he can make some improvements. That is the funny thing about this sport...lots just want to play for fun. I am like you where I want to improve as much as possible. Maybe it is because I hate losing more than I actually like winning. I am at 1500 USATT rating now...a lot of people in my club get stuck here at this level because they don't make the efforts to improve their weaknesses and fortify their strengths.

Hey i was going to ask...would you mind typing up some of the serve tactics you have found to be effective in your match play against higher level opponents? I'm a student of the game, and i know you have an experienced coach you train with, so any insights you can provide, I would appreciate.