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62 won't have progress no matter change equipment or not. Even if he will go to coach every day
I have seen older people improving their techniques with coaching. If they can maintain their physical fitness at the same time, they can definitely improve. we are talking about players starting from 1300, not 2000.
 
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62 won't have progress no matter change equipment or not. Even if he will go to coach every day
I choose to disagree

you are welcome to reply to OP to tell him, no progress possible.
 
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15 hours/week with coaching...that's not a negligible amount of time and money.
for someone serious, in Asia, it was too little.
but the kid had to finish his school year, before moving over to home schooling.

Home schooling allow for full time TT schedule (which includes taking part in many tournaments)
 
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There is a 2200 level player that plays this style in NY, he chops the ball to make it dead when he hits on the backhand and mostly smashes on the forehand. He can topspin once in a while but it is not his thing.


Immediately Richard Dewitt come to mind when talking about unusual style )))


Yes, I was talking about him.

It might be interesting to know, I believe, in the early 1990s Rich spent a year training in Sweden and back then he played a more traditional offensive all around style like the Swedes of that time.

I also believe Dave Fernandez was in Sweden for about 6 months over the same period.

So, back when he was younger, he played like he was younger. :) He does have amazing touch.
 
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I have seen older people improving their techniques with coaching. If they can maintain their physical fitness at the same time, they can definitely improve. we are talking about players starting from 1300, not 2000.

1300 its very beginning level? Then they might improve a bit. In general I see in my club many people 50+ and 60+ who practice almost every day and don't have any improving. In this age you just don't have speed and reaction required for playing on higher level
 
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In reading through this, to me it seems, NextLevel has presented the most relevant information on the OP's questions.

To me that makes sense since, he is someone who learned as an adult and also has some limiting factors on the physical side with mobility issues from a degenerative joint condition. To get as good as he has with the factors that have made that harder for him, he has had to do the work. And he has found out that he also needed help from people who understood the game and were willing to give him the kind of help he needed.

I also had help from a lot of people who knew what they were doing and man I sucked for quite a while before I started getting help. I am one of those players who look good in practice but isn't great in game skills. My serves are good. Against certain things I am good at 3rd ball, against other things I can be pretty terrible. My serve receive is far south of terrible. I remember one time Michael Landers laughing and telling me how good I do some things and how bad I am at others. :) For me, I was okay with that because I was more interested in the cool looking shots that just don't usually come up in match scenarios. But, doing a lot more work on 3rd ball and return of serve, for me, would have been an intelligent use of time.

If you want to up your win percentage, you need to work on game skills. The things that happen in the first three balls: serve, receive, 3rd ball, and the random nature of play that happens after the 3rd ball as well.

For me, I don't think it was a waste of time to work on shots like the slow crazy spinny loops that look cool going around the net. But they are not things that would actually cause my level to increase unless I worked on serve, return of serve and 3rd, 4th and 5th ball (technique and strategy) A LOT MORE. :)

Der_Echte also being someone who learned as an adult, his information is worth looking at as well.

One thing to consider though, I was in my late 30s and early 40s when I started actually trying to learn to play TT. I think Der was a little younger and so was NL. The difference between 30 and 40 is not so much. The difference between 30 or 40 and 60 is big. Why can I say this? I am just short of 60 and man.....things are different than when I was 40. :)

One last note: another guy who gave me a lot of help is a guy names Matthew Khan. He is a guy who (I think still) lives in NYC. He is originally from Guyana and he is a TT coach. He is great with adults. He is better at coaching adults than most because of how he approaches it. There was this guy he was coaching who was, (this is maybe 8 years ago) about 800 (USATT) and in his late 60s (close to 70). He was really driven and did a lot of work on his game. Some of what MKhan did while coaching him was film him and show him the footage and give analysis....consistently....over and over....to show the guy that what he thought he as doing and what he was doing were not the same and why some of his attempts to try too hard were counter-productive.

Now this guy had enough money to do 4 hour lessons more than once a week and to do a lot of play working on stuff from the lessons when not taking a lesson. So, he was not everyone. But he went from 800 to at lest 1400 in about a year. And he may have been better than that the last few times I saw him.

He was a really nice guy and MKhan would sometimes have me play matches with him as part of his lessons. He would also have us do things like matches where I had certain things I could or couldn't do or matches where the student served the whole time or received the whole time to work on certain things for the guy. There were also times, in these matches, Matt would tell me exactly what to serve so the guy could work on returning those specific serves.

So Matt came up with creative approaches to help this guy improve and a lot of it was not technique but toning down strokes to get more balls on the table. It is important to understand this....sometimes, when we are trying to get better, we try too hard and that interferes with reading what is going on and effective responses.

I guess it is not a bad place to list guys who helped me since there were really a lot of them:

1) Paul David
2) Edmund Suen
3) Mark Croitoroo
4) Michael Landers
5) Matthew Khan
6) Matthew Suchy
7) Damien Provost
8) William Goon
9) Robert Chen
10) Paul Misir
11) NextLevel
12) Der_Echte

There are more. Really a lot more. Each helped me out in different ways. There are enough more that I can't list them all or even remember them all.

But part if the idea is, if you are in your 60s and trying to improve, however you do it, you will likely need to be creative.

Good luck.
 
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As a TT lover, no more player, I played TT tournaments at my 18-24 in NYC , now I'm 40+. I met a lot of ppl 60+ in NYC TT clubs, they are improving , but not a lot with coaching by higher level players, licensed coach. I believe if you are 60+, want to improve in game winning, focus on spin, control, and hit points, will help you to win point in game.
 
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1300 its very beginning level? Then they might improve a bit. In general I see in my club many people 50+ and 60+ who practice almost every day and don't have any improving. In this age you just don't have speed and reaction required for playing on higher level
1300 isn't that bad. 1300 player will crush a true beginner. The first time I ever weren't to a table tennis club, I got crushed by 1000 rated players. 600 to 800 rated is a true beginner. After 2 months of club play and no coaching I played a tournament. My first rating was 1078. After 4 years I was about 1820 with an actual rating. Then I moved to Asia. I haven't had a chance to play a USATT tournament since then. The rest of my levels are just my best guess.

I've had a lot of coaching a club play here in Vietnam. When Covid 19 started I was probably a 2000-2050 level player. Vietnam had a lot of lockdowns and closures during Covid. I rarely played for 2 years. I started playing more often about 6 months ago. I'm probably around 1900 now if I had to guess.
 
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I'm a 62 year old who is playing at a USATT level of 1300. I want to play at the club's A-league, which is a minimum 1500 rating.
What do I need to do to get to 1500 and beyond?

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1) practice serve

2) practice more serves

3) practice even more serves.

Serve is the only ball you can exert 100% control completely in the game. And half of the points start with your serves. If you can serve with lots of wrist movement, and NOT arm movement, and pick your corners, you will win at least extra 3 points each game, freebies. You should focus on two types of serves. One is heavy backspin. One is fast, kick topsin. Then practice hitting the two corners of the table and the mid section of the opposing player. When you play against 1000 to 1500 level players, you don't need no spin serve. By alternating heavy backspin and fast kicking topspin, your goal is to win the points outright. You are not looking to get into a rally. At that level, do not worry about "faking" your moments. Just as long as you alternate between heavy backspin and kicking topspin, you will win a lot of easy points.

4) practice third ball attacks. Here it is also pretty simple. You should always know what type of serve you do because that dictates what type of ball will be coming back at you. If you serve heavy underspin short, then stay close to the table to either loop kill or push. If you serve kicking topspin, immediately take a step back from the table and keep your arm high because if the ball comes back, you will be getting into a rally.

5) practice returning serve. Again in the 1000-1500 level just get the ball on the table. If you can consistently get the ball on the table, the other player will often make mistakes attacking. Steady is the key.
 
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Carl, when we were both in our mid to late 40s, you saw me visit NYC, what level I said i was, and what I played... plus what I knew or didn't know...

You credited me with vastly under-stating my level or abilities.

You have not seen me play much in the last 5-7 years. As a player and a coach, i am WAY ahead of where I was in the early 2010s.

And Yes, I am getting to be near 60 too, and with those hard miles on my body and the terrible chems I had to eat and be around, it take a toll to... I feel ya.
 
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1) stop changing equipment
2) get a coach and focus on areas that "wins" points

1300 to 1500 should be a quick and easy jump if you did it correctly.

my end, we work on a 0 to 1470 in 1 year, and then to 1760 in the 2nd year.
At WTT Youth Contender Hong Kong, the kid lost to a USATT 2000 player very narrowly.
We feel he is closer towards 1800~1900 now, and can knock on doors of 2000 player.

if you do things correctly, the climb is fast
in hong kong, two us players played each other??
 
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1) practice serve

2) practice more serve

3) practice even more serves.

4) practice third ball attacks.

5) practice returning serve.
Totally agree on this, but since I don’t care much about winning I don’t have any good serves and my serve returns are pretty bad too. I usually try to get a good rally going. I just hate a, serve -> point or serve -> receive -> point, game. Sooo boring.

Cheers
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in hong kong, two us players played each other??

yes
HK Youth Contender, U11 hardly has any players....
Its basically Taiwan, USA, HK taking part. U11 almost become an HK closed tournament lol

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Long Pips one side, short pips the other side.

I realy don't understand these remarks people make.
If you never played pips this is the worst advise ....

Just hold you bat against a ball and the others make mistakes?
If you go to higher levels they will crush LP players that just block a ball.
 
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I realy don't understand these remarks people make.
If you never played pips this is the worst advise ....

Just hold you bat against a ball and the others make mistakes?
If you go to higher levels they will crush LP players that just block a ball.
Two people made remarks on using long pips
however, I believe, both these 2 people has zero experience using long pips.
I asked the one if he use pips before, but he didn't reply.

One actually needs to learn how to use pips properly for it to be a threat.
 
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Totally agree on this, but since I don’t care much about winning I don’t have any good serves and my serve returns are pretty bad too. I usually try to get a good rally going. I just hate a, serve -> point or serve -> receive -> point, game. Sooo boring.

Cheers
L-zr
against 1300~1500 players, you can just win points off a good serve
 
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Two people made remarks on using long pips
however, I believe, both these 2 people has zero experience using long pips.
I asked the one if he use pips before, but he didn't reply.

One actually needs to learn how to use pips properly for it to be a threat.
I used to play long pips on the back of a Jpen grip.

I don't understand why people would comment that long pips is 100% spin insensitive. Is long pips less spin sensitive than inverted? yes. Is it completely insensitive toward opponent's spin? Heck, no.

It is not like you stick a long pips on your paddle and you can just stand there, block at the same angle no matter what types of spin are coming at you. you still need to adjust your paddle.

When it is heavy underspin toward you, and you use long pips, you still need to lift the ball a bit. If it is heavy topspin coming toward you, you still need to close your angle to block with long pips. However, I would even argue that such blocks are even harder because your return of the ball will have backspin on it and it can "float" off the end of the table. That's why you would need to do a chop block with long pips in that situation. But to do a chop block, you need to time the ball properly.

Long pips is not idiot-proof. Table tennis is a sport that simply demands a lot of thinking on the part of the players, whether you use inverted, anti, short pips, medium pips or long pips.

With long pips, you need to learn to push, chop block, regular block, hit and brush the ball. Then you need to vary that or else you will be pinned down by a very very good inverted player.

And there is a reason that no top player has short pips on one side and long pips on the other side because that style has almost no possibility of winning at even the middle top amateur level.
 
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