Beginner requiring help in selecting between Killerspin Jet 200 vs Killerspin Jet 800

[JFearH]

Hello Folks.

I am new to this forum and the primarily reason I created this account is so I can get opinion of experts. I enjoy playing Table Tennis any opportunity I get. I am a beginner, and I am willing to take my game to the next level. I cannot afford coaching right now so the best I can do is play with the best and try to improve my game. I am a defensive as well as attacking player. I will defend good serves but will attack not so good ones. Additionally, I do side spin and top spin on all my serves as well. For the last few years, I have been playing with a Kung Fu Dx paddle. Recently I had opportunity to try Killerspin Jet 800 and Killerspin Jet 200 against an opponent that does insane side spin. When I played with Jet 200, I was able to return all his side spins; however, when I played with Jet 800, I was able to return only a few serves as others landed several feet away from table. With my little knowledge of table tennis, this tells me that I may have a flaw in my technique if I cannot handle Jet 800.

Now my question is if I should get Jet 200 in which I will remain in my comfort zone since it may be masking my flaws, or should I get the Jet 800 and learn to control the ball more? I realize I may lose more games initially until I get the hang of it. What is better for me in long run? Please recommend which paddle I should get?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

You should not get either. Get something like this:

Blade: Tibhar Stratus Power Wood
Rubber: Xiom Vega Pro (FH)
Rubber: Xiom Vega Europe (BH)

That setup would be much better. The blade is good and more than fast enough. The rubbers will allow you to spin the ball and not be too reactive to incoming spin. That is a good setup to start learning how to counter spin better.

Without seeing footage of you playing the person you are referring to, it is hard to tell if he was giving you serves of the same quality when you were using each racket. But one thing we can say is, if with one racket the ball was going off to one side or the other and not landing on the table, then you would do well to learn how to counter sidespin.

 

[JFearH]

You should not get either. Get something like this:

Blade: Tibhar Stratus Power Wood
Rubber: Xiom Vega Pro (FH)
Rubber: Xiom Vega Europe (BH)

That setup would be much better. The blade is good and more than fast enough. The rubbers will allow you to spin the ball and not be too reactive to incoming spin. That is a good setup to start learning how to counter spin better.

Without seeing footage of you playing the person you are referring to, it is hard to tell if he was giving you serves of the same quality when you were using each racket. But one thing we can say is, if with one racket the ball was going off to one side or the other and not landing on the table, then you would do well to learn how to counter sidespin.

Thank You boss. I am working on returning side spin with back spin. With crazy side spin i just cant put enough of back spin to counter it, working on it.

I am in US. Where can i get this setup? Btw i will take your word for it as you sound like you know better than me. So please let me know and i will order it.

 

[\_Kairos_/]

 

[JFearH]

Thanks for the tip!

 

[NextLevel]

Hello Folks.

I am new to this forum and the primarily reason I created this account is so I can get opinion of experts. I enjoy playing Table Tennis any opportunity I get. I am a beginner, and I am willing to take my game to the next level. I cannot afford coaching right now so the best I can do is play with the best and try to improve my game. I am a defensive as well as attacking player. I will defend good serves but will attack not so good ones. Additionally, I do side spin and top spin on all my serves as well. For the last few years, I have been playing with a Kung Fu Dx paddle. Recently I had opportunity to try Killerspin Jet 800 and Killerspin Jet 200 against an opponent that does insane side spin. When I played with Jet 200, I was able to return all his side spins; however, when I played with Jet 800, I was able to return only a few serves as others landed several feet away from table. With my little knowledge of table tennis, this tells me that I may have a flaw in my technique if I cannot handle Jet 800.

Now my question is if I should get Jet 200 in which I will remain in my comfort zone since it may be masking my flaws, or should I get the Jet 800 and learn to control the ball more? I realize I may lose more games initially until I get the hang of it. What is better for me in long run? Please recommend which paddle I should get?

Killerspin equipment is not used by many (possibly any) advanced/tournament players and I don't believe they have any advanced equipment any more (stuff approved for use in tournaments with experienced players). So we won't be able to give you that much insight into what the nuanced differences between the equipment you want reviewed. That said, I did use some of these things years ago. Maybe a decade ago...

I suspect that the 200 is closer to a hobby paddle than the 800 and neither are particularly good or durable. If you do intend to play a lot, I would encourage you to play with something more advanced like Carl recommended. If not, the less spinny and slower one that you can control would be the 200. It will not last that long and will become slick in due time, but that might not be a big issue if you are just going to play strictly on the hobby scene without coaching or training.

Good luck!

 

[Crillo]

Blade Donic Appelgren Allplay with Xiom Vega Europe both backhand and forehand is my suggestions. Nittaku Factive rubbers can be a good alternative.

 

[Tyce]

To answer your question, between the two, the 800 will teach you more in the long run.

That being said, if you aim to get proper training, you'll find yourself quickly outgrowing the (spin!) capabilities of any pre-made bat.
Even with a crappy bat, you can keep training footwork and placement up to a degree, but the USP of table tennis is spin. Learning to impart and receive spin is an important part of learning table tennis properly.

If budget is an issue, going straight to a setup consisting of a separate blade and rubbers will stretch the time you can use your first bat. Plus, by the time you outgrow the rubber, you can get just that replaced and keep the blade. Considering your first 2 years or so, you could be cheaper off that way.

Learning spin can be a steep curve for some. Just keep at it, bounce on your bat a lot, hit a wall while applying a form of spin and receive the ball on the rubber. See what happens. Etc etc. All things you could learn quicker with better quality equipment

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Thank You boss. I am working on returning side spin with back spin. With crazy side spin i just cant put enough of back spin to counter it, working on it.

I am in US. Where can i get this setup? Btw i will take your word for it as you sound like you know better than me. So please let me know and i will order it.

Any chance you can post footage of what you are trying to do? Footage would help people see what you are actually dealing with and what would be most useful to you.

Based on the idea of trying to return sidespin with backspin, it is possible long pips on one side would be something useful for you.

How strong is your BH on offensive shots?

How strong is your FH on offensive shots?

Once rallies have turned to topspin do you play topspin or do you also chop some of the time?

Video of match play would actually be the most useful to see.

 

[NetProphet]

Hello Folks.

I am new to this forum and the primarily reason I created this account is so I can get opinion of experts. I enjoy playing Table Tennis any opportunity I get. I am a beginner, and I am willing to take my game to the next level. I cannot afford coaching right now so the best I can do is play with the best and try to improve my game. I am a defensive as well as attacking player. I will defend good serves but will attack not so good ones. Additionally, I do side spin and top spin on all my serves as well. For the last few years, I have been playing with a Kung Fu Dx paddle. Recently I had opportunity to try Killerspin Jet 800 and Killerspin Jet 200 against an opponent that does insane side spin. When I played with Jet 200, I was able to return all his side spins; however, when I played with Jet 800, I was able to return only a few serves as others landed several feet away from table. With my little knowledge of table tennis, this tells me that I may have a flaw in my technique if I cannot handle Jet 800.

Now my question is if I should get Jet 200 in which I will remain in my comfort zone since it may be masking my flaws, or should I get the Jet 800 and learn to control the ball more? I realize I may lose more games initially until I get the hang of it. What is better for me in long run? Please recommend which paddle I should get?

The killerspin 800 is appx $100 I think.
For that money you can do way better buying the blade and rubbers separately.
I'd personally recommend Yinhe, Big Dipper or Jupiter Asia 3 on FH and Moon 12 on BH on an Yinhe N-2s All Wood Blade.
You will find them all on Ali Express for ~$50

 

[JFearH]

Any chance you can post footage of what you are trying to do? Footage would help people see what you are actually dealing with and what would be most useful to you.

Based on the idea of trying to return sidespin with backspin, it is possible long pips on one side would be something useful for you.

How strong is your BH on offensive shots?

How strong is your FH on offensive shots?

Once rallies have turned to topspin do you play topspin or do you also chop some of the time?

Video of match play would actually be the most useful to see.

I am quoting you, but I also intend to reply to other that may have similar question. I do not have a video of me playing. I play just for fun, but I do like to play competitive when playing against friends and coworkers. I started with right hand, but I injured my right shoulder so then I started playing with left hand, got really good at it but quickly figured that I could not smash with left back hand. Once my right shoulder healed, I started playing with right hand as well. Now I play with both hands.

1. If the opponent is giving me no spin and or high serves, then I will smash it with my right hand (forehand)
2. If the opponent is good at spin and does back spin, then I will return it with more back spin with my left hand (back hand). I have trouble returning heavy back spin with my right hand, at least compared to my left hand
3. On some occasions, I will also smash it with my left hand (forehand)

With all of those above scenarios, I know my opponents and they are predictable. I usually play with same set of folks. When someone new comes to play then I stick with one hand, learn their game before deciding to play defensive or attack or when to switch hand between points or serves

My current weakness is follows.
1. Returning heavy side spin of extremely good opponents (this is 2/10 people)
2. Attacking back spin. I am currently learning to put top spin on back spin serves

With all of the above in mind, I need a paddle that is around $50 or no more than $60 and has the below capabilities.

1. Not much reactive to incoming side spin but able to put my own backspin on returns
2. Assist me in putting side spin on my own serves
3. Decent speed when I want to smash so the beginners won't be able to return it.
3. Setup preferably must be assembled and shipped to me (I trust US sites more)

So, I know few folks recommended some setup, but I hope you can recommend me something with this new info I provided you. Many Thanks!

 

[pong99]

colestt.com for usa players

email Cole and he will work with you to get you a good setup in your price range

 

[JFearH]

colestt.com for usa players

email Cole and he will work with you to get you a good setup in your price range

is Cole on this forum or do i need to walk him through what I need?

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

is Cole on this forum or do i need to walk him through what I need?

Nah just go to his website, scroll down and order the Premade Buster combo. More than enough for your needs

 

[JFearH]

Nah just go to his website, scroll down and order the Premade Buster combo. More than enough for your needs

Do i need to assemble it? How tedious or difficult is it

 

[JJ Ng]

Do i need to assemble it? How tedious or difficult is it

For colestt.com, Cole will assemble it for you.

For most table tennis retailers, I understand that they would assemble the blade and the two rubbers for you by default but you can always add "assemble please" in the comment section.

I agree with Carl. I love love Tibhar Stratus Power Wood. It is a blade you can grow you techniques with over time, from beginner to advanced basically. However, I would not recommend Xiom Vega Pro because I cannot even handle it myself. Below is my recommendation, slightly modified:

Blade: Tibhar Stratus Power Wood (flare handle)
Rubber: Xiom Vega Asia (FH), black, 1.8mm sponge thickness
Rubber: Xiom Vega Europe (BH), red, 1.8mm sponge thickness.

you can get the above set-up at www.tabletennis11.com

They are fast, legit and have the lowest prices.

If you go to tabletennis11 website, you can also click on "weekly specials."

If you decide to get stuff on the weekly specials, to save some money, from tabletennis11 for this week (the sales ends Sunday), I would recommend:

Blade: Tibhar IV-L Balsa, CONC = FL = flare handle for $26.49
Rubber: Tibhar Aurus Sound (FH), black, 1.9mm sponge thickness for $28.45
Rubber: Tibhar Aurus Sound (BH), red, 1.7mm sponge thickness for $28.45

for a grand total of $83.39. You can ask them to assemble it. Unfortunately you need buy $100-$105 or so to get free shipping to N. America.

Neottec Racket Cover Game RS magenta/grey for $7.88 on weekly special section (at the bottom of the page)

And on the left hand side you can click on "racket" and buy

Neottec 3000 premade for $17.53 (I like Neottec products. This one should play similar to Killerspin Jet 200)

So $26.49 + $28.45 + $28.45 + $7.88 + $17.53 = $108.78
To boot, tabletennis will take $1.75 off for 10% volume discount for a grand total of $107.03 and yes, it is free shipping to the US.

Just make sure they will "assemble the blade" by putting that in the comments section. Finally I use paypal to pay them.

Now you have a professional blade you can advance with, plus a nice racket case plus a Killerspin Jet 200 equivalent recreational racket to play with, plus free shipping to N. America and tabletennis11 might get this to you by this coming Monday if you order it soon. You cannot get better than that!

 

[\_Kairos_/]

So, I know few folks recommended some setup, but I hope you can recommend me something with this new info I provided you. Many Thanks!

Why did you not respond to Carl's suggestion that pips on the bh side might be something for you...

Based on the idea of trying to return sidespin with backspin, it is possible long pips on one side would be something useful for you.

So, get yourself an inexpensive sheet of lp, preferably a currently illegal one (but with a favourably aspect ratio...) such as
-Magic 77
-Mo Avalox
-Reach C-8 / C-801 or
-Globe Mo Wang 3

Then put a cheap Friendship 729 on the fh side of a cheap chinese blade and...voila. Well within your budget also.

 

[JFearH]

Why did you not respond to Carl's suggestion that pips on the bh side might be something for you...

So, get yourself an inexpensive sheet of lp, preferably a currently illegal one (but with a favourably aspect ratio...) such as
-Magic 77
-Mo Avalox
-Reach C-8 / C-801 or
-Globe Mo Wang 3

Then put a cheap Friendship 729 on the fh side of a cheap chinese blade and...voila. Well within your budget also.

I really appreciate all the feedback but to say that I am not overwhelmed with all different suggestions would be an understatement. I know nothing about any setup so this is the first time i am stepping in to this domain

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I really appreciate all the feedback but to say that I am not overwhelmed with all different suggestions would be an understatement. I know nothing about any setup so this is the first time i am stepping in to this domain

Research Long Pips. If you want to return complex spins with a lot of control, if you play defense some of the time, you may want to research what Long Pips do that is different than smooth rubber.

 

[JFearH]

Research Long Pips. If you want to return complex spins with a lot of control, if you play defense some of the time, you may want to research what Long Pips do that is different than smooth rubber.

Long pip is not for me because i loose the edge. Almost all my returns contain some sort of back spin so i would loose that advantage. I just need a rubber that is not too reactive to incomming side spin and also allow me to put my own spin on serves and returns