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Dead= feels like sticky cardboard.
You're gonna need a lot of force to get speed out of it.
You still need to learn proper techniques first. The rubber can only help you if you know what youre doing, or if you have a coach.

Xiom vega intro are super middle of the road rubbers.

Mid fast
Mid bounce
Mid hardness sponge
Not to spin sensitive
Spinny to learn all techniques

But it's just my opinion, from observing other adult learning tt. After 6 months when the rubbers are toast you can still try chinese rubbers. Or just get one setup from tt11 and a really budget one from AliExpress.
Then my recommendation would be:
Blade: Sanwei fextra 7
FH: Loki rxton 3 pro
BH: Yinhe Moon 12 Blue

If you wait till a sale you can get that setup for 50-60$
 
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Not sure if I should get a YEO, or if there's an better beginner alternative, also no clue which rubbers at all.
YEO is an incredible choice. I say this as an RPB penholder. YEO is definitely the best quality blade you can get for around 50 USD.

If you order from TT11, I would recommend Neottec Voodoo Classic or Neottec Gamma 7. These blades will give you the best feeling. YEO will give you a bit more power and a different feeling in the short game. Both are great options. Ma Lin Extra Special is also a good blade, and I think it has a bit more control than the Extra Offensive.

For rubber: TG2 is a really good bet. So is Hurricane 3. For penholders in particular, you should try TG2 -- it's magical. If you have a strong RPB, then you can go for a harder rubber on backhand, like Hurricane 3 or TG2/3.
 
Skyline 2 is a great rubber, especially for penholders. I think this is the most popular rubbers for penholders.

Ma Lin Extra Special is a great blade. Good for playing an aggressive attacking style like Ma Lin. It's a very fast blade, so playing it with tacky Chinese rubbers should be a good combination.

Vega Europe kinda sucks imo. Certainly not a great choice for a penholder's RPB. I assume your RPB is at least somewhat strong, since otherwise it would make more sense to just play TPB.

Vega Europe is good for a player who is not very strong, and who will primarily hit the ball flat with a small stroke. It's extremely soft. It's good for some shakehand players who have a weak backhand and hit the ball flat, but usually this is not how anyone plays RPB. Moreover, Vega Europe bottoms out very quickly, meaning that if you hit the ball hard, it won't go so fast. Soft rubbers will give you a medium-fast ball with a light stroke, but the top-end speed is much slower than a hard rubber. Hence why they are good for weaker players.

If you feel like your RPB is not so powerful, then Xiom Vega China would be a better choice than Vega Europe -- it still lets you get some speed if you put in the effort, but a weaker stroke will also give a fast ball. Yasaka Mark V is another good option in this range.

There's also Hurricane 3-50, Hurricane 8, Hurricane 8-80, and Skyline 3-60 -- these rubbers have a tacky Chinese topsheet, but they also have a soft springy sponge similar to a European rubber. These would be my personal recommendation for someone with a weaker backhand. There's also Hurricane 9 in this category, if you want a cool flashy color on the backhand.

If you feel like your RPB is pretty strong and powerful, then go for Hurricane 3. Especially if you want to make very spinny shots with the RPB.

I think it makes more sense to play with Chinese rubbers on both sides, and I think it gives you a better intuition for how to hit the ball. Playing with two very different rubbers kind of messes up my feeling about how to make a good spin (but that's just me). Hurricane 3, Hurricane 8, or Skyline 3-60 would be the best backhand options imo.
 
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Skyline 2 is a great rubber, especially for penholders. I think this is the most popular rubbers for penholders.

Ma Lin Extra Special is a great blade. Good for playing an aggressive attacking style like Ma Lin. It's a very fast blade, so playing it with tacky Chinese rubbers should be a good combination.

Vega Europe kinda sucks imo. Certainly not a great choice for a penholder's RPB. I assume your RPB is at least somewhat strong, since otherwise it would make more sense to just play TPB.

Vega Europe is good for a player who is not very strong, and who will primarily hit the ball flat with a small stroke. It's extremely soft. It's good for some shakehand players who have a weak backhand and hit the ball flat, but usually this is not how anyone plays RPB. Moreover, Vega Europe bottoms out very quickly, meaning that if you hit the ball hard, it won't go so fast. Soft rubbers will give you a medium-fast ball with a light stroke, but the top-end speed is much slower than a hard rubber. Hence why they are good for weaker players.

If you feel like your RPB is not so powerful, then Xiom Vega China would be a better choice than Vega Europe -- it still lets you get some speed if you put in the effort, but a weaker stroke will also give a fast ball. Yasaka Mark V is another good option in this range.

There's also Hurricane 3-50, Hurricane 8, Hurricane 8-80, and Skyline 3-60 -- these rubbers have a tacky Chinese topsheet, but they also have a soft springy sponge similar to a European rubber. These would be my personal recommendation for someone with a weaker backhand. There's also Hurricane 9 in this category, if you want a cool flashy color on the backhand.

If you feel like your RPB is pretty strong and powerful, then go for Hurricane 3. Especially if you want to make very spinny shots with the RPB.

I think it makes more sense to play with Chinese rubbers on both sides, and I think it gives you a better intuition for how to hit the ball. Playing with two very different rubbers kind of messes up my feeling about how to make a good spin (but that's just me). Hurricane 3, Hurricane 8, or Skyline 3-60 would be the best backhand options imo.
So, I feel like my BH is MUCH MUCH MUCH stronger than my FH. What would you recommend to go with the skyline 2 with a weaker FH than BH? (I plan to work on my weaker areas not just focus on my stronger ones)
 
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Skyline 2 is a great rubber, especially for penholders. I think this is the most popular rubbers for penholders.

Ma Lin Extra Special is a great blade. Good for playing an aggressive attacking style like Ma Lin. It's a very fast blade, so playing it with tacky Chinese rubbers should be a good combination.

Vega Europe kinda sucks imo. Certainly not a great choice for a penholder's RPB. I assume your RPB is at least somewhat strong, since otherwise it would make more sense to just play TPB.

Vega Europe is good for a player who is not very strong, and who will primarily hit the ball flat with a small stroke. It's extremely soft. It's good for some shakehand players who have a weak backhand and hit the ball flat, but usually this is not how anyone plays RPB. Moreover, Vega Europe bottoms out very quickly, meaning that if you hit the ball hard, it won't go so fast. Soft rubbers will give you a medium-fast ball with a light stroke, but the top-end speed is much slower than a hard rubber. Hence why they are good for weaker players.

If you feel like your RPB is not so powerful, then Xiom Vega China would be a better choice than Vega Europe -- it still lets you get some speed if you put in the effort, but a weaker stroke will also give a fast ball. Yasaka Mark V is another good option in this range.

There's also Hurricane 3-50, Hurricane 8, Hurricane 8-80, and Skyline 3-60 -- these rubbers have a tacky Chinese topsheet, but they also have a soft springy sponge similar to a European rubber. These would be my personal recommendation for someone with a weaker backhand. There's also Hurricane 9 in this category, if you want a cool flashy color on the backhand.

If you feel like your RPB is pretty strong and powerful, then go for Hurricane 3. Especially if you want to make very spinny shots with the RPB.

I think it makes more sense to play with Chinese rubbers on both sides, and I think it gives you a better intuition for how to hit the ball. Playing with two very different rubbers kind of messes up my feeling about how to make a good spin (but that's just me). Hurricane 3, Hurricane 8, or Skyline 3-60 would be the best backhand options imo.
You are mixing up Xiom Vega Europe Hybrid v.s. Xiom Vega Europe. The former is the one on sales. Xiom Vega Europe Hybrid has a 45 degree ESN sponge, not too hard and not too soft.

I started playing with one side Jpen. Then I switched to Chinese penhold with RPB. Then I switched to shakehand.

When I played Chinese penhold with RPB, I was very particular about the weight of the set up because for RPB, you have to use wrist a lot and you have to perform RPB a bit like "throwing a frisbee." There is not much point to block with RPB because you might as well block with the traditional penhold grip.

With RPB, it does not matter how you perform the stroke, there is always a bit of side spin to the ball. So it is all about spin.

Therefore even if the OP were to use soft ESN rubber like 39 degree or 42.5 degree (aka Xiom Vega Europe, Rakza 7 soft, etc.), it would not hinder his RPB development. There is no need to bottom out the sponge. You literally try to brush every ball when you use RPB.

Double side Chinese rubber can make the blade too heavy. I would argue having a too-heavy blade would play a bigger role in hindering the development of RPB.
 
So, I feel like my BH is MUCH MUCH MUCH stronger than my FH. What would you recommend to go with the skyline 2 with a weaker FH than BH? (I plan to work on my weaker areas not just focus on my stronger ones)

If your backhand is stronger than your forehand, then you can even try Skyline 2 on BH. I am also a backhand-dominant player, and for my backhand I switch between Skyline 2 and Hurricane 3. Hurricane 3 is a bit easier to perform compact wrist/elbow shots with; whereas Skyline 2 really requires a full stroke with good technique. You can't go wrong with either of them, imo.

Skyline definitely has a higher frustration threshold -- it does not tolerate bad technique. Therefore, it makes you play with good technique (which I think is good for learning, but people have different philosophies about this). When you smash the ball, you have to hit hard (but if you do hit hard, the ball will go FAST -- faster than any other rubber I've played with). You can check my review (and other reviews) of Skyline 2 on this site if you are curious what I and other people think about it in detail.

For forehand, Skyline 2 and Hurricane 3 are also great options. A lot of people like the blue sponge versions on forehand (but they are more expensive). If your forehand is actually somewhat weak, then maybe go for Hurricane 3. But even Skyline 2 on a weak forehand will do well, because you can make slow prolonged strokes that have a lot of spin.

Either way, I'd say you can't go wrong with any combination of Skyline 2 / Hurricane 3 rubbers. If you feel like one of your sides is somewhat weak, then maybe try the 3-50, 8-80, or 3-60 versions which have a softer sponge. Do keep in mind that the Skyline series was created for penholders, while the Hurricane series was created for handshake players.


You are mixing up Xiom Vega Europe Hybrid v.s. Xiom Vega Europe. Xiom Vega Europe Hybrid has a 45 degree ESN sponge, not too hard and not too soft.
Oh yes, sorry. Good point. Definitely don't get Xiom Vega Europe. The hybrid version is probably better, but for a backhand-dominant player I think they can just use a Chinese rubber. It will be cheaper, too.

Therefore even if the OP were to use soft ESN rubber like 39 degree or 42.5 degree (aka Xiom Vega Europe, Rakza 7 soft, etc.), it would not hinder his RPB development. There is no need to bottom out the sponge. You literally try to brush every ball when you use RPB.
I suppose this is somewhat true, especially for your style of play. I imagine that you (like most people) are forehand-dominant, so you don't really think about making power-loops, smashes, or flicks with your backhand. However, as I am a backhand-dominant player, I frequently loop and counterloop using my RPB. Having a harder rubber is extremely helpful in these strokes and gives me a lot more power. I've tried soft rubbers on the backhand and I frequently bottom out on them.

Double side Chinese rubber can make the blade too heavy. I would argue having a too-heavy blade would play a bigger role in hindering the development of RPB.
Yes, you are right about this. Having two Chinese rubbers can make the blade heavier by 10-20 grams. For many people, this is an issue. For me it is not an issue as I do a lot of rock climbing and weightlifting, so my wrists and arms are quite strong.

There is also a benefit to having a heavy blade: you can create momentum with it, and loosen your wrist for the point of contact. Often (especially when making a power-loop with RPB), I almost "throw" the racket at the ball, and create momentum before contact so that I don't have to hold the racket very tightly when I am making contact. With a hard rubber and heavy racket, this produces a light brushing stroke that is also very powerful. But I recognize that doing this requires a lot of wrist strength.

If you want something lighter, and tend to hold your wrist tight throughout the stroke, a great rubber is Stiga Mantra Pro XH (XH stands for extra-hard). But honestly unless you have a wrist injury I think you'll be fine with Chinese rubber.


@RokosBasilisk if you think you can "throw" the racket like a frisbee and make contact with a loose wrist, then heavy rubber is definitely a good idea. You can see Xu Xin's technique here:



Xu Xin uses Hurricane 3 on the backhand, I believe. At some point he was also using Skyline 2. But you can see that he uses his arm and shoulder to "throw" the racket, so that his wrist can remain quite loose. You can also see that he starts his stroke very low, and makes a stroke which is almost as big as the forehand stroke. Having a heavy racket facilitates this (and Xu Xin uses a very heavy custom racket which is larger than standard rackets).

If you feel like you want to control the stroke with your wrist, then try Stiga Mantra Pro XH. It will make the racket lighter. An example of a player who holds the wrist tight throughout the stroke is Wang Hao:


Wang Hao's stroke is much more compact than Xu Xin's, but Xu Xin definitely creates more spin. Wang Hao used ESN rubber on the BH, like Sriver, Mark V, or Bryce.
 
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I suppose this is somewhat true, especially for your style of play. I imagine that you (like most people) are forehand-dominant, so you don't really think about making power-loops, smashes, or flicks with your backhand. However, as I am a backhand-dominant player, I frequently loop and counterloop using my RPB. Having a harder rubber is extremely helpful in these strokes and gives me a lot more power. I've tried soft rubbers on the backhand and I frequently bottom out on them.
When I played one-side only Jpen, I was forehand dominated.

When I played Chinese penhold, RPB, I was also forehand dominated.

Now I am playing shakehand, I am still forehand dominated. Some things just don't change :) :)

Yeah for my backhand, I aim to open up with a slow loop to get into a rally. I don't do much powerloop.

Anyway getting back to the original poster, I am not a rock climber. He is not a rock climber (I assume). My suggestion would be to start off with lighter soft ESN rubbers with 1.8 or 2.0mm sponge on the RPB backhand side, to learn how to open up a rally. Eventually if he wants to advance his skills and do a backhand kill loop, he can pick whatever he wants: MX-P, Hurricane, Dignics 05, etc. etc.
 
Skyline 2 FH and Ma Lin Extra Special are great.

Vega Intro isn't a bad choice. Better than the other Vega series I think. But I think Stiga Mantra H / XH is a way better choice in every respect. Stiga Mantra also comes in M (medium hardness). Mark V is also a much better choice than Vega Intro imo. Both Mantra and Mark V are light, if that is your concern. Also, if you get the pre-boosted (NEO version) Chinese rubbers, your blade won't be so heavy.

I see no reason to mess around with a soft sponge if you are already strong enough to generate power on your backhand. Harder sponges will give you more power and teach you better technique. Harder sponges allow you to play softly/slowly in the short game, and play quickly when you hit hard. Soft rubbers have a much narrower range of speeds, meaning that you can't touch the ball softly (the ball will spring away on soft touches), and you can't hit fast with a hard stroke.

Furthermore, the Vega series have tensor technology, which means that the rubber is stretched over the sponge, which makes the rubber very springy. I think that using this as a beginner is a bad idea -- it won't teach you to generate your own power. Plus, tensor rubbers are very hard to control because they are so springy -- touching a ball lightly will send it flying away. If you really really want ESN rubber, try the legendary Yasaka Mark V (which is non-tensor) or Stiga Mantra H / XH (also non-tensor).

I think Hurricane 3 or Mantra XH will still be your best options for the backhand. You're strong enough to use them, and since you're a backhand-dominant player, you will probably be trying to make powerful shots with the backhand. If you want something softer, try Mantra M or Mark V. Tensor rubbers are a bad idea imo. Especially on such a fast blade.
 
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Skyline 2 FH and Ma Lin Extra Special are great.

Vega Intro isn't a bad choice. Better than the other Vega series I think. But I think Stiga Mantra H / XH is a way better choice in every respect. Stiga Mantra also comes in M (medium hardness). Mark V is also a much better choice than Vega Intro imo. Both Mantra and Mark V are light, if that is your concern. Also, if you get the pre-boosted (NEO version) Chinese rubbers, your blade won't be so heavy.

I see no reason to mess around with a soft sponge if you are already strong enough to generate power on your backhand. Harder sponges will give you more power and teach you better technique. Harder sponges allow you to play softly/slowly in the short game, and play quickly when you hit hard. Soft rubbers have a much narrower range of speeds, meaning that you can't touch the ball softly (the ball will spring away on soft touches), and you can't hit fast with a hard stroke.

Furthermore, the Vega series have tensor technology, which means that the rubber is stretched over the sponge, which makes the rubber very springy. I think that using this as a beginner is a bad idea -- it won't teach you to generate your own power. Plus, tensor rubbers are very hard to control because they are so springy -- touching a ball lightly will send it flying away. If you really really want ESN rubber, try the legendary Yasaka Mark V (which is non-tensor) or Stiga Mantra H / XH (also non-tensor).

I think Hurricane 3 or Mantra XH will still be your best options for the backhand. You're strong enough to use them, and since you're a backhand-dominant player, you will probably be trying to make powerful shots with the backhand. If you want something softer, try Mantra M or Mark V. Tensor rubbers are a bad idea imo. Especially on such a fast blade.
Am I correct or confused in thinking I could run the skyline 2 with the hurricane 3 or mantra xh? Your explanation sounds right up my alley.
 
Yeah, you could do Skyline 2 FH with Hurricane 3 or Mantra XH BH. As a backhand-dominant player, it's a good idea to have hard rubber on the backhand so that you can make powerful attacks.

If you want a lighter racket (for more wrist control), try:
Blade: Ma Lin Extra Special
FH: Skyline 2 NEO (2.1 mm thickness)
BH: Mantra H or XH

If you want a heavier racket (to be able to swing it more), try:
Blade: Ma Lin Extra Special
FH: Skyline 2 (2.2 mm thickness)
BH: Hurricane 3 (2.2 mm thickness)
 
Yeah, you could do Skyline 2 FH with Hurricane 3 or Mantra XH BH. As a backhand-dominant player, it's a good idea to have hard rubber on the backhand so that you can make powerful attacks.

If you want a lighter racket (for more wrist control), try:
Blade: Ma Lin Extra Special
FH: Skyline 2 NEO (2.1 mm thickness)
BH: Mantra H or XH

If you want a heavier racket (to be able to swing it more), try:
Blade: Ma Lin Extra Special
FH: Skyline 2 (2.2 mm thickness)
BH: Hurricane 3 (2.2 mm thickness)
Odd question. Can the rubbers have different thickness or does it have to match? I had already checked the mantra and hurricane 3 and they don't have either in 2mm red
 
The thickness doesn't have to match. Some people like thicker rubbers and some people like thinner rubbers. Some people like thick rubber on one side and thin rubber on the other side.

Honestly there is not much of a difference between 2.0mm and 2.1mm. There is a small difference in weight. Both 2.0 and 2.1 are considered "standard thickness" -- some brands will choose 2.0 and some brands will choose 2.1.

Brands which make thinner rubbers will usually make a 0.5mm, 1.0mm, 1.5mm, or 1.8mm. The difference is noticeable with these rubbers. But there is not really a noticeable difference between 2.0 and 2.1.

Just get 2.1mm thickness. Typically Chinese companies will do 2.1mm instead of 2.0mm. And I think Stiga also does 2.1mm.
 
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The thickness doesn't have to match. Some people like thicker rubbers and some people like thinner rubbers. Some people like thick rubber on one side and thin rubber on the other side.

Honestly there is not much of a difference between 2.0mm and 2.1mm. There is a small difference in weight. Both 2.0 and 2.1 are considered "standard thickness" -- some brands will choose 2.0 and some brands will choose 2.1.

Brands which make thinner rubbers will usually make a 0.5mm, 1.0mm, 1.5mm, or 1.8mm. The difference is noticeable with these rubbers. But there is not really a noticeable difference between 2.0 and 2.1.

Just get 2.1mm thickness. Typically Chinese companies will do 2.1mm instead of 2.0mm. And I think Stiga also does 2.1mm.
Thank you so much btw, I've got it down to the ma lin special with the skyline, now i just have to decide between the hurricane or the mantra, hurricane is cheaper though, which do you think is more beginner friendly? Can I do the mantra hx with the skyline 2 instead of neo?

(my next post will be my purchase/thanks post i promise lol)
 
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Lol no worries at all.

You could do Skyline 2 + Mantra. The difference between Skyline 2 and Skyline 2 Neo is that the Neo version is a bit lighter and springier.

It's hard to say which is more beginner friendly, between Hurricane 3 and Mantra. The answer depends on your philosophy about what is the most effective way to learn.

Lots of Chinese players start with Hurricane -- they have a philosophy about how to learn which I think is different from European table tennis. Chinese rubbers do not tolerate bad technique, so you can only make good shots if you play with good technique. Hurricane will probably be frustrating at the beginning, but it will prevent bad habits and force you play with good technique, and so some people would say that this is the correct way to learn.

On the other hand, Mantra will probably be easier to play with for the first few months. It is more tolerant of incorrect techinque. Additionally, it will perform better if you make compact strokes using your wrist and elbow, and it will perform flicking shots better. Mantra is probably more beginner-friendly in the sense that you'll learn more quickly with it at the beginning. It wouldn't be a bad idea to start with Mantra, and then change to Hurricane once you've developed some technique. Also, you may find that you really enjoy Mantra, even more than Hurricane/Skyline. Not a bad idea to test it out.

Honestly whichever one you choose will be good. If you feel like you can make full, powerful strokes from your legs/core, I would lean towards Hurricane. If you like to make flick shots, or tend to hit from your wrist/elbow, then I would lean towards Mantra.

Also, you should buy:
- Nittaku rubber protection cover
- Revolution Nr.3, Rubber Cleaner & Rejuvenator
- Nittaku Carespo Cap Sponge

Chinese rubber is sticky and you should use the sponge and 2-3 drops of the cleaner to clean it after each playing session. Otherwise it will collect a lot of dust. Also store it in the rubber protector.
 
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Lol no worries at all.

You could do Skyline 2 + Mantra. The difference between Skyline 2 and Skyline 2 Neo is that the Neo version is a bit lighter and springier.

It's hard to say which is more beginner friendly, between Hurricane 3 and Mantra. Mantra will make a lighter racket, which may be easier on your wrist. Hurricane 3 will force you to develop good technique, and it will immediately punish bad technique.

Lots of Chinese players start with Hurricane -- they have a philosophy about how to learn which I think is different from European table tennis. Chinese rubbers do not tolerate bad technique, so you can only make good shots if you play with good technique. Hurricane will probably be frustrating at the beginning, but it will prevent bad habits and force you play with good technique, and so some people would say that this is the correct way to learn.

On the other hand, Mantra will probably be easier to play with for the first few months. It is more tolerant of incorrect techinque. Additionally, it will perform better if you make compact strokes using your wrist and elbow, and it will perform flicking shots better. Mantra is probably more beginner-friendly in the sense that you'll learn more quickly with it at the beginning. It wouldn't be a bad idea to start with Mantra, and then change to Hurricane once you've developed some technique. Also, you may find that you really enjoy Mantra, even more than Hurricane/Skyline. Not a bad idea to test it out.

Honestly whichever one you choose will be good. If you feel like you can make full, powerful strokes from your legs/core, I would lean towards Hurricane. If you like to make flick shots, or tend to hit from your wrist/elbow, then I would lean towards Mantra.

Also, you should buy:
- Nittaku rubber protection cover
- Revolution Nr.3, Rubber Cleaner & Rejuvenator
- Nittaku Carespo Cap Sponge

Chinese rubber is sticky and you should use the sponge and 2-3 drops of the cleaner to clean it after each playing session. Otherwise it will collect a lot of dust.
I have the cleaner and protector already in the cart! Is the sponge really that necessary? could I not use a regular sponge or magic erase bar?
I'm going to go with the mantra, a little extra, but I do tend to play more from the wrist than broad strokes.
 
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I have the cleaner and protector already in the cart :) is the sponge really that necessary? could I not use a regular sponge or magic erase bar?
You could use a regular sponge but they get dirty quickly. Maybe if you keep it in a plastic bag. The thing that's nice about the Nittaku sponge is that it has a cap, so it doesn't gather dust in storage.
 
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You could use a regular sponge but they get dirty quickly. Maybe if you keep it in a plastic bag. The thing that's nice about the Nittaku sponge is that it has a cap, so it doesn't gather dust in storage.
You guys have been so awesome! I can't thank you enough!
In the end I went with the ma lin xtra special
skyline 2
mantra pro xh
(and some nittaku balls, cleaner, protector, case etc)
You guys rock! I'm going on vacation for 2 weeks, so I won't be able to post using it until then, but I will def report back with my review later.
 
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I'm going to go with the mantra, a little extra, but I do tend to play more from the wrist than broad strokes.
That's a good idea then. Plus, you'll get to compare/contrast the rubbers.

Another thing you can do to make your racket lighter is to leave a gap between the rubber and the handle (see photo below). A lot of penholders like this anyways because it lets you get a better grip with your index finger.

Most players will only leave a gap on the forehand side, but if you are interested in trying both rubbers on the forehand, then you could leave a gap on both sides.

I assume you're using the TT11 racket assembly service? If you ask them to "leave a gap in the rubber for the index finger, like Ma Lin and Xu Xin", they will know what you mean.

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