Team China is worried of the Italians.

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Who does Team China is most afraid off in Olympics 2024?

Japan?

Taiwan?

Korea?

No!

India????

No!

It is the Italian!

Italian? WTF is Gozo talking about? What is he smoking?

Let me explain...

What Team China is afraid of is this Italian dude specifically, the Head Coach of Team India. The guy who created Team China's nightmare, the crop of Indian long pips players.

 

[zeio]

Plot twist: Only for IND to get drawn JPN for a first round exit. A 1/8 chance.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/foru...k-could-be-dead-before-i-run-into-him#1444250
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/tokyo-2020-2020-7-24-8-9.23698/post-348375

 

[nablaz]

Who does Team China is most afraid off in Olympics 2024?

Japan?

Taiwan?

Korea?

No!

India????

No!

It is the Italian!

Italian? WTF is Gozo talking about? What is he smoking?

Let me explain...

What Team China is afraid of is this Italian dude specifically, the Head Coach of Team India. The guy who created Team China's nightmare, the crop of Indian long pips players.

Coach Costantini is doing an amazing job with the Indian national team, but I seriously doubt he "created" the crop of long pips players...
He actually has no say in the young players development, he selects/receives the best India has to offer as adults (already or mostly formed playstyle-wise) and directs them as a single unit. I think he was instrumental in strengthening the unity of the team, as well as in dictating tactics that have worked in the past and will definitely worry the competition in the future.

By the way, I played with coach Costantini's racket last year, when he was having lessons at my former club, and he plays double inverted (Timo Boll ALC with 2x Dignics 09c)...

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Coach Costantini is doing an amazing job with the Indian national team, but I seriously doubt he "created" the crop of long pips players...
He actually has no say in the young players development, he selects/receives the best India has to offer as adults (already or mostly formed playstyle-wise) and directs them as a single unit. I think he was instrumental in strengthening the unity of the team, as well as in dictating tactics that have worked in the past and will definitely worry the competition in the future.

By the way, I played with coach Costantini's racket last year, when he was having lessons at my former club, and he plays double inverted (Timo Boll ALC with 2x Dignics 09c)...

Irony is when a double inverted coaching pimple players to beat double inverted.

 

[Lazer]

Irony is when a double inverted coaching pimple players to beat double inverted.

Gozo, you’re obsessed with long pips, it’s just a tool of the trade 😉.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[nablaz]

Well, he coaches the players he has...
It's not like he's going to say to a 20-years-old: "I know you played this way for the last 15 years, but let's ditch those pimples and start looping on the backhand! Also, do you feel confident for the next WTT Star Contender that will start in 5 days?" 😜

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Gozo, you’re obsessed with long pips, it’s just a tool of the trade 😉.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Coach Costantini is doing an amazing job with the Indian national team, but I seriously doubt he "created" the crop of long pips players...

i just wanted to say that,
obviously Gozo when seeing LP, his mind is not right.

Max coached india, left, came back for was it 1 to 2 or 3 years, left, went to work for ITTF for 1 to 3 years and then came back again to india.
I'm sure he has very little contribution to the development of the Indian pips players that beat the Chinese women's
Indian table tennis is still based on its only "academy" (clubs) and not "national team" like what we know of as the Chinese National Team (the only national team in the world, other than maybe North Korea as the closes).

So, unless Max has influence in all the smaller academies in India, the players are sent to the "national team" when ready/matured.

If the India womens are so good, how many WTT medals / trophies have they won?

Funny enough, I'm talking about Indian TT, while I have a Indian U13 boys national team member training with me at the moment

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Coach Costantini is doing an amazing job with the Indian national team, but I seriously doubt he "created" the crop of long pips players...
He actually has no say in the young players development, he selects/receives the best India has to offer as adults (already or mostly formed playstyle-wise) and directs them as a single unit. I think he was instrumental in strengthening the unity of the team, as well as in dictating tactics that have worked in the past and will definitely worry the competition in the future.

By the way, I played with coach Costantini's racket last year, when he was having lessons at my former club, and he plays double inverted (Timo Boll ALC with 2x Dignics 09c)...

Thank you my friend for bringing this up. This question has been on my back burner for sometime now.

I have been wondering whether Team India's spectacular explosion into the WTT scene is by chance or is it a planned / cultivated event.

I meant to say did the Indian Team just decide one day, " Hey! We're not gonna match those CNT ladies using conventional means, why not try asymmetrical warfare? "

or

" Hey! This is how we play. It is our brand of play "

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Thank you my friend for bringing this up. This question has been on my back burner for sometime now.

I have been wondering whether Team India's spectacular explosion into the WTT scene is by chance or is it a planned / cultivated event.

I meant to say did the Indian Team just decide one day, " Hey! We're not gonna match those CNT ladies using conventional means, why not try asymmetrical warfare? "

or

" Hey! This is how we play. It is our brand of play "

such style is more common in Asia, including China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan.
China I won't comment about, as it gets killed off and only left has training partners.
for the rest, I do see them in youth circuits over the years.

Only thing is that the style is killed off by 2 wing offensive players when players get older.
Just like penholders and modern defenders (choppers).

Maybe it is also alive in Malaysia (i'm not sure to be honest, but if you know anyone in the academy/sport school setup, you can ask).

What makes the Indian different is that they attack more

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

such style is more common in Asia, including China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan.
China I won't comment about, as it gets killed off and only left has training partners.
for the rest, I do see them in youth circuits over the years.

Only thing is that the style is killed off by 2 wing offensive players when players get older.
Just like penholders and modern defenders (choppers).

Maybe it is also alive in Malaysia (i'm not sure to be honest, but if you know anyone in the academy/sport school setup, you can ask).

What makes the Indian different is that they attack more

nope, no pimple players in the academy setting as well in my locality. All are two wing loopers. Pimples in my locality are mainly associated with ojisan aka old uncles and amateur with partial developed skills.

True player play two wing looping. Gozo is also a product of academy. I went through proper training in modern TT, hence no pimple.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

nope, no pimple players in the academy setting as well. All are two wing loopers.

academy setting for national juniors??

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

academy setting for national juniors??

I am only qualified to talk about provincial jr. My academy only has up to provincial level.

 

[igorponger]

IMPLEMENTATION OF FRICTION LIMITS FOR ALL RUBBERS IS DUE AND OVERDUE.

Not having friction test in competitions would breed frauds a lot.
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The newly proposed Rule (currently being under expert discussion within ITTF )

-- "actual kinetic CoF should be restricted to at least 0.25 for all pips-in and anti rubbers"

is primarily aimed to preclude the substandard materials from competitive sport. A good many players in lower leagues would enter competitions with trashy, low friction materials, far different from original condition. It is kinda a dishonest fraudulence giving a player unfair advantage a lot.

Again, India did defeat China more than once, just using the fancy materials, you know. We don't want our sport to take hit-and-miss character of Funfair lottery, kinda a game of chance.
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FAIR PLAY FIRST

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I am only qualified to talk about provincial jr. My academy only has up to provincial level.

i saw there is 2 choppers on the national junior team.

then some google to find players, i come across these 2 videos

TTAM NATIONAL U13 GIRLS SELECTION, FINAL ROUND - R5 🏓 Results Final Round Girls U13 – Round 5 MK, Lim Zu Ling vs JH, Chan Jing Ing 2-3 PK, Khor Kar Wei... | By Table Tennis Association Of MalaysiaFacebook

TTAM NATIONAL U13 GIRLS SELECTION, FINAL ROUND - R5 🏓 Results Final Round Girls U13 – Round 5 MK, Lim Zu Ling vs JH, Chan Jing Ing 2-3 PK, Khor Kar Wei...

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penholder lp player....

https://fb.watch/tpRhEGz22F/

LP chopblocker

I've asked someone i know about Malay LP, hopefully will get an answer soon

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

well, i was expecting girls,
but boys, there is a Quek Seng Yen that is a LP chop blocker.

 

[lightspin]

Massimo Costantini is really smart, especially when putting together match strategies. In my opinion he is one of the top coaches in the world.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I wonder if there are some wacky doubles combinations you can make to really mess up the China team.
For example, LP bh for 1 player and Antispin FH for partner player. The point is to make unrecognizable patterns in doubles so team China keeps forgetting what type of ball is coming back.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

well, i was expecting girls,
but boys, there is a Quek Seng Yen that is a LP chop blocker.

okay, so I have checked with my coaching contact in Malaysia, and there is actually a lot more young players now in the LP space, both shakehand and PENHOLD (would you believe it). This trend is similar to many other Asian countries, with a common goal of "win matches earlier in life".
meaning, kids change to it, learn for a short time how to use it, and win tournaments - get good results, and probably won't continue with the sport later in life.
While 2 sided inverted will struggle at first, but long term wise would out play/out live, the pip players.

So, conclusion from what I found in the past 24 hours, Malaysia, is no different

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I wonder if there are some wacky doubles combinations you can make to really mess up the China team.
For example, LP bh for 1 player and Antispin FH for partner player. The point is to make unrecognizable patterns in doubles so team China keeps forgetting what type of ball is coming back.

twins.
I have 2 sets of twins close enough, the younger set, is SP+LP, the other is Inverted+LP, and identical twins.... I still can't tell who is who (looking at bat is currently my only solution)