What are your favourite hybrid rubbers?

[WingTT]

Is Loki Arthur China considered a hybrid?

 

[TensorBackhand]

Is Loki Arthur China considered a hybrid?

Definitely

 

[TensorBackhand]

I'd say K3 is slower on my experience at lower end. A1 has more low end speed. K3 Pro is harder and top end is quicker.

What kind of level are you playing and what's your general preference.

I think 1900-1950 at our local club callibration. But each club has a different callibration.

I like dragon grip. Fast, spinny, hard. But ive never tried K3 too much...but my memory was that it was slower than DG.

 

[SleepyMaster]

Best hybrid rubbers in my opinion:
1. Stiga Mantra Pro XH
2. Tenergy 05 Hard
3. Rasanter C53

I thought Dignics 09c was way overhyped, and it was very uncomfortable to play with because of the high throw angle. K3 is pretty good, I like the soft feeling of the topsheet. Rakza Z is also pretty nice, but a bit slow.

None of these can beat Hurricane 3 and Skyline 2, though. For hybrid effect, just add booster

Why T05 Hard is hybrid rubber? Its just hard tensor the same as C53 or Mantra Pro - those are not hybrids in my humble opinion because their not tacky at all

 

[burakins]

For me:

If you want slow and softer one : TIBHAR Hybrid MK
If you want High end fast one for TIBHAR K3

 

[Lazer]

Why T05 Hard is hybrid rubber? Its just hard tensor the same as C53 or Mantra Pro - those are not hybrids in my humble opinion because their not tacky at all

Hybrid is more than just tackiness, bounciness is another factor...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[SleepyMaster]

Hybrid is more than just tackiness, bounciness is another factor...

Cheers
L-zr

But it should have both combination as I understand this - at least some sort of tackiness (some hybrids have more/less of it) from china rubbers and euro/Japan sponge something like that.

But nowadays anyone and any brand just stick “hybrid” on the top of the name only for justifying how much higher prices are going 😁

 

[Lazer]

But it should have both combination as I understand this - at least some sort of tackiness (some hybrids have more/less of it) from china rubbers and euro/Japan sponge something like that.

But nowadays anyone and any brand just stick “hybrid” on the top of the name only for justifying how much higher prices are going 😁

Typical European rubber:
Softer, bouncy, not tacky.

Typical Chinese rubber:
Harder, not bouncy, tacky.

Tibhar MK hybrid:
Harder than average European rubber, not bouncy, not tacky. Hybrid due to hardness and non bouncy.

Tenergy 05H.
Harder, bouncy, non tacky. Hybrid due to hardness.

I guess this is how someone is defining it…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[John_]

Typical European rubber:
Softer, bouncy, not tacky.

Typical Chinese rubber:
Harder, not bouncy, tacky.

Tibhar MK hybrid:
Harder than average European rubber, not bouncy, not tacky. Hybrid due to hardness and non bouncy.

Tenergy 05H.
Harder, bouncy, non tacky. Hybrid due to hardness.

I guess this is how someone is defining it…

Cheers
L-zr

From what I understand, a hybrid is supposed to be the compromise between a grippy, soft and springy European rubber, and a tacky, hard and linear Chinese rubber.

So a harder than normal, springy European sponge, medium tension on the topsheet and a mix between a grippy and tacky topsheet.

At least that's the definition I think is most accurate for a "hybrid" rubber.

 

[Lazer]

From what I understand, a hybrid is supposed to be the compromise between a grippy, soft and springy European rubber, and a tacky, hard and linear Chinese rubber.

So a harder than normal, springy European sponge, medium tension on the topsheet and a mix between a grippy and tacky topsheet.

At least that's the definition I think is most accurate for a "hybrid" rubber.

That’s what I said if you look at it. Except for grippiness which is common for both.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Creek]

Hardness has nothing to do with being a hybrid or not.

Euro/JP rubbers always ranged from very soft to quite hard without being a hybrid, e.g. mark v m2, t05h, d05, r53 vs T05fx, r37, etc.

The difference between cn and JP/euro rubbers are the tackiness (besides the fact, that nowadays cn rubbers are almost not tacky anymore!), the pimple geometry (cn = conic vs JP/eu = straight) and the more springy (booster like) sponges of JP/eu rubbers.
All things lead to the fact, that cn rubbers are slower with low force and less catapulty than JP/eu rubbers.

The new hybrid rubbers use 2 of these characteristics: a minimal tackiness and more importantly the pimple geometry.
Especially the pimple geometry applies for every hybrid, be it hybrid mk, rasanter c, d09c, etc.

Remark for all those still thinking, that rasanter c is not sticky: put a thin plastic foil on it - it will stick. Do the same to e.g rasanter r series - it won’t stick

 

[SleepyMaster]

Typical European rubber:
Softer, bouncy, not tacky.

Typical Chinese rubber:
Harder, not bouncy, tacky.

Tibhar MK hybrid:
Harder than average European rubber, not bouncy, not tacky. Hybrid due to hardness and non bouncy.

Tenergy 05H.
Harder, bouncy, non tacky. Hybrid due to hardness.

I guess this is how someone is defining it…

Cheers
L-zr

Yeah, I did get your point but still pretty sure it should have some of tack to became a hybrid, thats why partially im not sure hybrid MK is a hybrid rubber. Other than that is just hard tensors not a hybrids and should be using little bit differently

 

[Lazer]

Yeah, I did get your point but still pretty sure it should have some of tack to became a hybrid, thats why partially im not sure hybrid MK is a hybrid rubber. Other than that is just hard tensors not a hybrids and should be using little bit differently

We don’t get to set rules…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Peter93]

Gewo Codexx is also really amazing and I continue to suggest people try as it's also much cheaper usually than other hybrids. There is also the added bonus, like Stiga, that you can choose a range of hardness from 52-55. I'd note:

Codexx EL Pro 52/EF Pro 54 are the old style hybrid. I'm using EF Pro 54 right now and it was incredible tacky out of the package. It took a very long time for some of that tack to come off and the sponge to open up to make it more usable. The throw angle is also extremely low as well which is part of the reason im going back to the 53 Super Select.

Codexx Pro SuperSelect 53/55 are new style hybrid. Tacky enough to hold onto a cover sheet, but not tacky enough to pick up a ball. They're much easier to use because of this without losing that much potential.

I've never had people tell me before how spinny my loops are before I used these. The price is also unbeatable (you can get the EL/EF Pro for $38 on ebay) and the SuperSelect are always on sale at Megaspin for ~$45.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Why T05 Hard is hybrid rubber? Its just hard tensor the same as C53 or Mantra Pro - those are not hybrids in my humble opinion because their not tacky at all

Hard sponge is a traditional characteristic of Chinese rubber, so when a European rubber uses hard sponge then that is at least somewhat hybrid in my opinion.

To me T05 Hard feels almost like a Chinese rubber (except it is a bit bouncier). Same with Mantra XH. But they're still less bouncy than standard ESN tensors, and I think the hard sponge is responsible for this.

There is a tradeoff between tacky topsheet and tensor topsheet. Tackiness lets you lift the ball, and tensor topsheet produces a high throw angle. Both of them increase the angle with which you throw the ball. I like to make low arcs, so I prefer something which is tacky but not tensor, or tensor but not tacky. Having both tacky and tensor makes the throw angle too high for me.

C53 is actually somewhat tacky. But I think the pimple structure keeps the throw angle low enough for me to comfortably play with it.

 

[Zeen]

My favorite is O7 China Guang, because I don't know other hybrids...

Did someone find a 'better' hybrid than Guang?

 

[NetProphet]

Original hybrid was softer European sponge with tacky Chinese style rubber.

 

[lodro]

please give me the FINAL definition what actually represents a hybrid rubber.

 

[SleepyMaster]

Hard sponge is a traditional characteristic of Chinese rubber, so when a European rubber uses hard sponge then that is at least somewhat hybrid in my opinion.

To me T05 Hard feels almost like a Chinese rubber (except it is a bit bouncier). Same with Mantra XH. But they're still less bouncy than standard ESN tensors, and I think the hard sponge is responsible for this.

There is a tradeoff between tacky topsheet and tensor topsheet. Tackiness lets you lift the ball, and tensor topsheet produces a high throw angle. Both of them increase the angle with which you throw the ball. I like to make low arcs, so I prefer something which is tacky but not tensor, or tensor but not tacky. Having both tacky and tensor makes the throw angle too high for me.

C53 is actually somewhat tacky. But I think the pimple structure keeps the throw angle low enough for me to comfortably play with it.

It’s all obvious things that you quoted. But still all that you mentioned doesn’t make tenergy hard a hybrid. It’s just hard tensor rubber, same as your top3 “hybrids” it doesn’t mentioned as hybrid by the Butterfly so I don’t think it actually is.

Because not all hard rubbers are hybrids like at all. Just pure hardness has nothing in common with hybrids.

Hybrids means combination of things like - hard/medium hard sponge/soft or tacky topsheet/pimple geometry - if rubber combined few of those parameters than yes it is can be called hybrid and if not than it’s just hard tensor as all dignics series are (besides 09c), tenergy 05 hard, rasanter c series etc.

 

[John_]

Hybrid means tacky top sheet and euro sponge. There's been tons and tons of European rubbers with hard sponges. A euro with a hard sponge is a euro with a hard sponge.

The characteristic of Chinese rubbers is the low throw, kick and dwell. Not hardness.