27th ITTF-Asian Table Tennis Championships 2024, Astana, 10/7-13

[JackJohnson]

What happened to the SK player who didn’t go up to the podium in MS?

 

[Peter93]

 

[NextLevel]

Kim is very slick. There were times she played at full speed like Miwa and then she chose moments to slow it down just a bit to break the pace and force mistakes. Really made Miwa second guess herself and it resulted in a ton of misses on balls Miwa usually absolutely crushes. That's usually the strategy for pips players but Kim is different since her top gear and reactions are just as fast as the top attacking players.

Bummed for Miwa after all the work she put in to battle against the CNT members. But credit to Kim for understanding her opponent's patterns and exploiting them.

Kim beat Chinese players too, she was the class of the tournament for me, her teammates couldn't get it done or they may have gotten the gold medal.

 

[Innco Gong]

Of course, however stylistic matchups only goes so far in explaining things when there is such a big level difference and especially at the pro level compared to amateur level.

Without making excuses for any players, as I mentioned above I'm guessing there is some interesting context behind many of the surprises this tournament, Tomokazu included.

Today, I read an article, the author has the background of artificial intelligence and exercise physiology, and this article is about,

- SYS quit from ATTA, not simply because of "tired" "muscle strength response"，but suffering from her aerobic capacity being drained, and her endurance, stamina and fatigue resistance got damaged, which is irreversible.

And the reason she wrote this article is because, SYS was supposed to be hurt after the WS Final of OG Paris, and she already appeared some symptoms during WT. (......) it's weird she still been sent to attand WTT Champions Macao, WTT China Smash, and ATTA, and was required to attand WS+WD+WT....which was like her team or CNT, totally lack of knowledge.

And I need to put a background here(......)，CM was using her ability + AI + ("probably")SYS's personal data beating SYS during WS Final of OG Paris, and the CNT knew that.
Some members knew that before the match, some members learned that during the match.
But all the other associations recognized that after this match, and very quick, they got the key point very close to the answer to the examination; and they put some fine-tuning into their tactic immediately and got some positive feedback. (all these info just for reference, there's nothing from the official source).

Anyway, I have another feeling of this article.
Table tennis is a sport described as "Boxing" + "Chess", now they hand over the "Chess" part to the artificial intelligence to get the weak "points" of the opponent, then made the accurate "Boxing" all the time during the match....which would cause the opponent player's irreversible damage.
Yes, you could kill your opponent in all kinds of meaning...
Pandora's box has been opened, omg, I'm so sad...

I will not share this article here, but zeio, this article is from 知乎，and has been reprinted to all the platforms I guess, but not sure how long would be lasting, maybe you have the interest to search for it.

 

[TT11.TV]

Tomokazu Harimoto vs Lin Shidong | Final

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

great performances from those two overall, with Harimoto closing it out... awesome! noshad alamiyan vs LJK and vs Shinozuka were really exciting battles, worth the watch

 

[zeio]

All 3 of them are BH-oriented players. Coincidence?

恭喜摩托加冕亚锦赛男单冠军！ (Congratulations to the reigning ATTC MS Champion Harimoto)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9218153814
武英殿小学士 三次决赛全赢的姓林的，他以后不会从林昀儒手上拿个亚运会，世界杯啥的吧
IP属地:安徽来自iPhone客户端21楼2024-10-13 21:13收起回复
(He won all 3 finals against someone with the surname Lin/Lim. Will he take the Asian Games or the World Cup from Lin Yun-Ju in the future?)

沈叶澜 我只能说，大赛的决赛，最好不要让他对手姓林
总决赛林高远，亚洲杯林钟勋，亚锦赛林诗栋
老林家对张本真是过于好了
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端29楼2024-10-13 21:20收起回复
(All I can only is that in the final of a major competition, it is best not to let his opponent be one with the surname Lin/Lim
Lin Gaoyuan at WTGF 2018, Lim Jonghoon at Asian Cup 2022, Lin Shidong at ATTC 2024
The Lin/Lim family is really too nice to Harimoto)

 

[NextLevel]

Today, I read an article, the author has the background of artificial intelligence and exercise physiology, and this article is about,

- SYS quit from ATTA, not simply because of "tired" "muscle strength response"，but suffering from her aerobic capacity being drained, and her endurance, stamina and fatigue resistance got damaged, which is irreversible.

And the reason she wrote this article is because, SYS was supposed to be hurt after the WS Final of OG Paris, and she already appeared some symptoms during WT. (......) it's weird she still been sent to attand WTT Champions Macao, WTT China Smash, and ATTA, and was required to attand WS+WD+WT....which was like her team or CNT, totally lack of knowledge.

And I need to put a background here(......)，CM was using her ability + AI + ("probably")SYS's personal data beating SYS during WS Final of OG Paris, and the CNT knew that.
Some members knew that before the match, some members learned that during the match.
But all the other associations recognized that after this match, and very quick, they got the key point very close to the answer to the examination; and they put some fine-tuning into their tactic immediately and got some positive feedback. (all these info just for reference, there's nothing from the official source).

Anyway, I have another feeling of this article.
Table tennis is a sport described as "Boxing" + "Chess", now they hand over the "Chess" part to the artificial intelligence to get the weak "points" of the opponent, then made the accurate "Boxing" all the time during the match....which would cause the opponent player's irreversible damage.
Yes, you could kill your opponent in all kinds of meaning...
Pandora's box has been opened, omg, I'm so sad...

I will not share this article here, but zeio, this article is from 知乎，and has been reprinted to all the platforms I guess, but not sure how long would be lasting, maybe you have the interest to search for it.

People stick AI into all kinds of BS ro make it sound more credible, in the end the argument is only as good as the evidence for it.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

The Harimoto siblings were already rock stars(especially Miwa) before this tournament. Their legend only grows.

 

[TT11.TV]

Miwa Harimoto vs Kim Kum Yong | Final

 

[NextLevel]

I haven't played with a seamless ball in a while but I remembered back then when I did and it was the only decent ball that it was easily the closest thing to celluloid in playing feeling even though it cracked easily. Could that explain some of what we saw in this event? I don't remember seeing any cracked balls either...

 

[zeio]

MS F
Harimoto 3-1 LSD (9, 6, -4, 5)

Harimoto winning here makes it clear his 2 wins out of 3 were no fluke despite the close scores. Harimoto's game counters that of LSD.

LSD's "absolute territory" is from the mid-range and beyond, whereas Harimoto's is in the close-range. LSD got off to a great start in G1 but that side-underspin pendulum serve at 2:8 marked the start of Harimoto's counterattack, which involved alternating between half-long and long serves to LSD's BH, a simple yet effective tactic. Along with the edge at 3:8 and net at 5:8, LSD's flow was completely disrupted. Once Harimoto got in the groove, he dictated the pace and LSD couldn't keep up at all. Of note here is the crucial TO at 9:6 of G2 for Harimoto after 9:5. Kudos to Tasei if he was the one that called it.

Citing his close matches and losses to KNT players (CSM, JWJ, CDS, AJH etc.) who are all about serve-n-attack and all-out FH step-around, I wrote in 2023 over at MyTT that 前提係對面畀你爆先/the prerequisite to LSD's game is that the opponent cedes the initiative and lets him blast first. That's how Faraji got the upper hand in their R32 encounter. In the short term, LSD needs to solidify the close-range part of his game or he will start losing like WCQ, who is on the other end of the spectrum in terms of range.

 

[iammaru]

Tomokazu Harimoto vs Lin Shidong | Final

Does anyone else think Lin Shidong struggles with backhand-to-backhand fast exchanges? He’s great at hitting backhand kill shots, but during quick backhand rallies, he seems very inconsistent and makes a lot of simple mistakes. Harimoto won many points that way. I haven’t seen enough of Lin Shidong’s matches to know if this was just an off day or if his backhand is always like this, but it looks much weaker in fast exchanges compared to other top Chinese players. I wonder why only Harimoto was able to exploit it.

 

[5545]

Today, I read an article, the author has the background of artificial intelligence and exercise physiology, and this article is about,

- SYS quit from ATTA, not simply because of "tired" "muscle strength response"，but suffering from her aerobic capacity being drained, and her endurance, stamina and fatigue resistance got damaged, which is irreversible.

And the reason she wrote this article is because, SYS was supposed to be hurt after the WS Final of OG Paris, and she already appeared some symptoms during WT. (......) it's weird she still been sent to attand WTT Champions Macao, WTT China Smash, and ATTA, and was required to attand WS+WD+WT....which was like her team or CNT, totally lack of knowledge.

And I need to put a background here(......)，CM was using her ability + AI + ("probably")SYS's personal data beating SYS during WS Final of OG Paris, and the CNT knew that.
Some members knew that before the match, some members learned that during the match.
But all the other associations recognized that after this match, and very quick, they got the key point very close to the answer to the examination; and they put some fine-tuning into their tactic immediately and got some positive feedback. (all these info just for reference, there's nothing from the official source).

Anyway, I have another feeling of this article.
Table tennis is a sport described as "Boxing" + "Chess", now they hand over the "Chess" part to the artificial intelligence to get the weak "points" of the opponent, then made the accurate "Boxing" all the time during the match....which would cause the opponent player's irreversible damage.
Yes, you could kill your opponent in all kinds of meaning...
Pandora's box has been opened, omg, I'm so sad...

I will not share this article here, but zeio, this article is from 知乎，and has been reprinted to all the platforms I guess, but not sure how long would be lasting, maybe you have the interest to search for it.

CM and SYS have been playing each other since 2017 so they know each other very very well and certainly do not need "AI" to beat each other. I wonder if the author is one of those toxic bitches who thinks it's cheating simply because CM played to her advantage/her teammate's weakness (that's common sense) and it worked (she's been using the same tactic for her life including Saudi Smash, except when she won at Saudi some people were too concerned about diminishing her win by saying it's all luck so they only start this terrible argument after OG games).

 

[Tempest/Comet]

😆just watched the WT presentation ceremony. The Chinese women as they turned to step down, without exception, took off their silver medals before even leaving the podium.
Is this the worst showing of CNT girls since the Moscow Debacle?

 

[NextLevel]

😆just watched the WT presentation ceremony. The Chinese women as they turned to step down, without exception, took off their silver medals before even leaving the podium.
Is this the worst showing of CNT girls since the Moscow Debacle?

Their coach didn't even come to the podium. That even spoke more loudly about the sentiments.

 

[dingyibvs]

Does anyone else think Lin Shidong struggles with backhand-to-backhand fast exchanges? He’s great at hitting backhand kill shots, but during quick backhand rallies, he seems very inconsistent and makes a lot of simple mistakes. Harimoto won many points that way. I haven’t seen enough of Lin Shidong’s matches to know if this was just an off day or if his backhand is always like this, but it looks much weaker in fast exchanges compared to other top Chinese players. I wonder why only Harimoto was able to exploit it.

No, he does pretty well with it. His specialty is his BH drive. He's more proficient than most (possibly any) and often mixes that in during BH/BH rallies for direct winners. The issue is that this entire tournament that shot hasn't been working. In fact drives just haven't been working for anyone even on the FH side as they all go long. We've gone back in time to the age where BH rallies are all spin counters.

 

[AndySmith]

I haven't played with a seamless ball in a while but I remembered back then when I did and it was the only decent ball that it was easily the closest thing to celluloid in playing feeling even though it cracked easily. Could that explain some of what we saw in this event? I don't remember seeing any cracked balls either...

They used to break really easily on sharp impacts, like edge hits. More recent seamless balls feel a bit harder and more resilient to me. I still prefer them to any seamed plastic ball - we still use seamless locally here.

Could they explain the unexpected results? Yes, I think they have contributed. I think they play differently enough to need adjustment time, and some of these players have come straight in from a massive WTT event with very little time. Plus, if a player is already having some issues with form / confidence then switching ball types won't be helping with that funk.

 

[RefereeNumber2]

Citing his close matches and losses to KNT players (CSM, JWJ, CDS, AJH etc.) who are all about serve-n-attack and all-out FH step-around, I wrote in 2023 over at MyTT that 前提係對面畀你爆先/the prerequisite to LSD's game is that the opponent cedes the initiative and lets him blast first.

I don't follow here -- isn't Harimoto known for playing exactly this way, i.e., ceding the initiative and letting the opponent open the rally? So by this logic, shouldn't Harimoto be a good matchup for LSD?

I believe we have enough evidence that Harimoto matches up well with LSD, since he's won 2 out of 3, and even in the match he lost (in Macao 2024) he actually won more points for the whole match. What I noticed from the ATTC final was Harimoto was consistently trying to make his first attack down the middle and LSD being hesitant to step around and counter with his forehand, often giving weaker backhand counters from his middle that let Harimoto really break open the point.

My feeling w/ LSD is he's shot-maker who favors patterns where he has clear targets, and his strength is his ability to hit those targets with remarkable quality and consistency from both wings. But Harimoto plays a very cagey game where he covers the table well and plays with spin and pace variation down the middle, which doesn't present LSD with any obvious targets to aim for, and causes him to be hesitant in the rallies.

 

[Janard]

CNT: HZJ you are now a leftie. Drill that in.