XIOM C55 Impressions and Comparison with H3N

[jammmail]

if I was to do a direct comparison,
Tenergy 05 is way more allround than D05
its easiest to use and control

D05 arc makes it very difficult to control and I know many players when first testing it, would net the ball more often than not. For elites, I feel D09C is more allround than D05 in that tier of speed and spin.

so in OB space, I feel T05 should be the preferred rubber, and I'm not too far off since Rozena is number 1 in Japan
followed by G1, then D09C then T05 and only then D05 comes in at number 5.
Rozena, G1 is all the T05 like rubbers.

for elite, I know more players using D09C over D05
in fact T05H probably more than D05 too

Interesting. Some of the best players in my area are still using T05 on FH but changing to D05 on BH. One very high level in UK (my coach) has T05fx FH D05 BH on his Mizutani blade.
I think thats mainly down to hardly ever pushing on FH - either touching or flicking if short and anything longer is looped. So less cause for spin sensitivity problems.

 

[vvk1]

This seems like a pretty brutal stance to take, but each to their own. Admin - please delete all reviews of the 2.1mm thickness! I jest of course.

Black 2.1 seems to be out of stock in most of my usual places, and I haven't seen a MAX thickness available yet. I see that Xiom advertise 2.1 and MAX, but not seen it in any of the big webstores....

I'd love to see a video of someone who can repeatedly bottom out a 55 degree rubber in 2.1 thickness.

 

[JJ Ng]

oh please. where did you learn the "Chinese" technique to loop with topsheet? Chinatown?

Yes from NYC chinatown. If you want the address, I can give it to you.

 

[mcfly]

Yes from NYC chinatown. If you want the address, I can give it to you.

i know where it is. lived in NYC for 5 years - never heard of Chinese looping using topsheet until now. must be a world class technique.

if you really want to learn, go to NY Indoor club out in Flushing. I'll put in a word for you to my friend Juan Liu to show you the real Chinese looping technique.

If you want the address i also can give it to you.

 

[_ak]

5) Chinese looping using top sheet only. It is what it says. You just use the tackiness of the top sheet to brush the ball lightly so it is a slow, high arcing shot. With H3, you can choose to use the top sheet to "pick up" the ball or engage the sponge. You don't have that choice with say, Tenergy 05. With T05, the ball just shoots out so you rely on the sponge to do all the work for you.

I don't know about Tenergy but you can do it with any grippy rubber

 

[gianlucamusco]

This seems like a pretty brutal stance to take, but each to their own. Admin - please delete all reviews of the 2.1mm thickness! I jest of course.

Black 2.1 seems to be out of stock in most of my usual places, and I haven't seen a MAX thickness available yet. I see that Xiom advertise 2.1 and MAX, but not seen it in any of the big webstores....

At the moment in Europe there is only the 2.1mm version: I really don't understand why Xiom didn't put on sell max version immediately for EU market but only for Asian market:

XIOM JEKYLL & HYDE C 55 - Table Tennis and Ping Pong

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JEKYLL&HYDE C55.0 [850037] - 8,500円 : TT-JAPAN TABLE TENNIS STORE TOMIOKA OF JAPAN

TT-JAPAN JEKYLL&HYDE C55.0 [850037] - The latest and most powerful semi-tacky rubber that everyone praises. Many XIOM contracted players, including Hugo Calderano, use it on their forehand. Equipped with the spin and destructive power that surpasses Chinese-style tacky rubbers, this is the...

tt-japan.net

 

[MrGeorge]

At the moment in Europe there is only the 2.1mm version: I really don't understand why Xiom didn't put on sell max version immediately for EU market but only for Asian market:

XIOM JEKYLL & HYDE C 55 - Table Tennis and Ping Pong

ttnpp.com

JEKYLL&HYDE C55.0 [850037] - 8,500円 : TT-JAPAN TABLE TENNIS STORE TOMIOKA OF JAPAN

TT-JAPAN JEKYLL&HYDE C55.0 [850037] - The latest and most powerful semi-tacky rubber that everyone praises. Many XIOM contracted players, including Hugo Calderano, use it on their forehand. Equipped with the spin and destructive power that surpasses Chinese-style tacky rubbers, this is the...

tt-japan.net

What thickness is MAX 2.3 ?

 

[andzejgolot]

Max= 2,1 mm
End of topic

 

[gianlucamusco]

What thickness is MAX 2.3 ?

I don't know if it's 2.2mm or 2.3mm

 

[Tiber1337]

After using c55 on backhand on a w968 and didn't like it (I wrote a mini review here a while ago)

Today I had a session with a c55 on a FZD ALC 85g.

I have to say c55 works much better on this blade, altho this blade is a bit too slow because of its weight, it still paired well. Perhaps a super alc or a heavyer ALC would be even better.

Still, I can't call this rubber semi-tacky, but it is indeed an ok hybrid.
For max spin you need to engage sponge, unlike h3

 

[chiefvevo]

After using c55 on backhand on a w968 and didn't like it (I wrote a mini review here a while ago)

Today I had a session with a c55 on a FZD ALC 85g.

I have to say c55 works much better on this blade, altho this blade is a bit too slow because of its weight, it still paired well. Perhaps a super alc or a heavyer ALC would be even better.

Still, I can't call this rubber semi-tacky, but it is indeed an ok hybrid.
For max spin you need to engage sponge, unlike h3

I agree. overall it is my current setup. What do you mean by engage sponge? I blocked the ball for a partner and the ball flew out and he looked confused. All I did was driving it back, and it produced so much spin.

 

[Tiber1337]

I agree. overall it is my current setup. What do you mean by engage sponge? I blocked the ball for a partner and the ball flew out and he looked confused. All I did was driving it back, and it produced so much spin.

It is still a rubber that catapults, maybe I'm not experienced with catapult rubbers.
But I felt like with H3, if I hit with 70% speed, I get 70% of the rubbers capability
With C55 It felt like if I hit with 70% I only get 50% of the rubber capability , while If I hit with 80% speed I will get 100% of it.

 

[chiefvevo]

It is still a rubber that catapults, maybe I'm not experienced with catapult rubbers.
But I felt like with H3, if I hit with 70% speed, I get 70% of the rubbers capability
With C55 It felt like if I hit with 70% I only get 50% of the rubber capability , while If I hit with 80% speed I will get 100% of it.

For me, it is the opposite. If I only block, the catapult effect is so great that the ball will fly out. I have to drive it or loop it back to reduce the catapult effect. Which concludes for me that the rubber is not ideal for blocking. This is why I think the control is really good on just simply block drive a fast ball when you are out of position.

 

[chiefvevo]

Interesting. Some of the best players in my area are still using T05 on FH but changing to D05 on BH. One very high level in UK (my coach) has T05fx FH D05 BH on his Mizutani blade.
I think thats mainly down to hardly ever pushing on FH - either touching or flicking if short and anything longer is looped. So less cause for spin sensitivity problems.

I noticed our setup is pretty similar, I used to play hurricane 3 on fh. But I boosted a national h3 39 degree and it was too soft, then boosted a 40 degree provincial but then I ran out of boost and only applied 1 thick layer so it was still hard and hard to play so I gave up. How do you like 09c on your viscaria bh.

 

[jammmail]

I noticed our setup is pretty similar, I used to play hurricane 3 on fh. But I boosted a national h3 39 degree and it was too soft, then boosted a 40 degree provincial but then I ran out of boost and only applied 1 thick layer so it was still hard and hard to play so I gave up. How do you like 09c on your viscaria bh.

Im persisting with my set up for now - but had a pretty dreadful set of results in the league last week, so if that continues I will be changing. Currently Prov 39 boosted fh and D09c bh. The FH im getting used too - i like the bigger range of shot speed and spin available but it is harder to use on FH imo, which when its tight in a match is meaning mistakes. But when its right - it is quite a buzz to use. On BH 09c is ok - do i use its full potential - no. But it is easy to push and spin up and block. Other options ive found are good at one thing but not as consistent across everything. My BH is the weakest part of my game- but 09c gives a bit of consistency. I know some dont like it for blocking - but i really like it. I kinda wish it was a little bit softer, but in comparison to G09c which should be that - it feels day and night to me. Maybe it was just a bad sheet of G09c i tried but i dont think Butterfly do bad sheets really.

 

[chiefvevo]

Im persisting with my set up for now - but had a pretty dreadful set of results in the league last week, so if that continues I will be changing. Currently Prov 39 boosted fh and D09c bh. The FH im getting used too - i like the bigger range of shot speed and spin available but it is harder to use on FH imo, which when its tight in a match is meaning mistakes. But when its right - it is quite a buzz to use. On BH 09c is ok - do i use its full potential - no. But it is easy to push and spin up and block. Other options ive found are good at one thing but not as consistent across everything. My BH is the weakest part of my game- but 09c gives a bit of consistency. I know some dont like it for blocking - but i really like it. I kinda wish it was a little bit softer, but in comparison to G09c which should be that - it feels day and night to me. Maybe it was just a bad sheet of G09c i tried but i dont think Butterfly do bad sheets really.

I think even tho it is JTTA and made in japan. I have 3 09c sheets, and they all different to me, very slightly. 2 red, one of my red is extremely more tacky than the other, a black 09c isn't as tacky as the red for me (Yes I use protective sheets on all of them). I understand you on the 39 degree H3. I switched to Xiom c55 because it plays similar like a boosted h3 but more linear. But my favorite factor about C55 is that I can hit and block with confident, it doesn't require a perfect form like H3, a little easier to play with but by no mean is it a beginner rubber. Very fast so this rubber was born for looping.

 

[chiefvevo]

xiom c55 is worth a shot, it was a risky decision for me to buy it but I am glad I did. This is just my opinion hope this helps. I used to play European bh rubber, but with 09c you have to play like fan zhendong, and bh loop to fully use 09c, been playing with 09c for over a year now and I don't think I can use another rubber for bh. 09c(red) is such a perfect rubber.

 

[Fantastic_Muffin_D]

It’s a good rubber ngl, alternative to H3 boosted, except even better at flat shots and speed.
But after nearly 2 months, this is its condition. The manufacturer state there’s no need to worry about the white mark, but yes it does degrade at a noticeable pattern, the part that has white dots produce less spin, less grip the ball more so I have to put more effort into it. But if i went too thick, it would go straight to the net. The part that’s still spinny is the part that I use to serve short.
Right now, if I go at the right thickness, the loop will contain both speed and spin. The catapult is great and it’s still there, but the surface has degraded. I wish it could last longer like dignics 09c (about 5-6 months).
If i got sponsored, oh yeh why not using it, but rn meh. Combo H3 and dignics 09c are still much more durable even boosting them.

 

[chiefvevo]

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It’s a good rubber ngl, alternative to H3 boosted, except even better at flat shots and speed.
But after nearly 2 months, this is its condition. The manufacturer state there’s no need to worry about the white mark, but yes it does degrade at a noticeable pattern, the part that has white dots produce less spin, less grip the ball more so I have to put more effort into it. But if i went too thick, it would go straight to the net. The part that’s still spinny is the part that I use to serve short.
Right now, if I go at the right thickness, the loop will contain both speed and spin. The catapult is great and it’s still there, but the surface has degraded. I wish it could last longer like dignics 09c (about 5-6 months).
If i got sponsored, oh yeh why not using it, but rn meh. Combo H3 and dignics 09c are still much more durable even boosting them.

It doesnt like to me contacted with clothes. Sometimes i swiped it into my pants or shirts during play, ive never had this happened to me w other rubbers but the xiom c55. Look pretty dead but still plays normal. I started using one of those rubber cleaner that has some oil for rubber life extending i got from aliexpress. It starting to look darker

 

[andzejgolot]

It doesnt like to me contacted with clothes. Sometimes i swiped it into my pants or shirts during play, ive never had this happened to me w other rubbers but the xiom c55. Look pretty dead but still plays normal. I started using one of those rubber cleaner that has some oil for rubber life extending i got from aliexpress. It starting to look darker

Do you have link?