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show us video next time
Can't wait to show and tell my friend. However, I am sure I will make ugly mistakes but in my head I can visualize the play style now.
 
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I borrowed Hemings advice for @Gozo Aruna last night and really went for opening up as much and early as possible.
Played a fair bit of practice matches with this in mind and I have to say a) it got better, and b) counterintuitively it seems to be equally or even less risky than pushing balls back and potentially giving popups.
One important thing I noticed is that I don't step back well enough after an opening, so the return can reach me before I'm ready to make a loop. But I already connected this in my mind to how I see higher level people play just a step further away from the table.

I like this. Gotta practice more now
 
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I borrowed Hemings advice for @Gozo Aruna last night and really went for opening up as much and early as possible.
Played a fair bit of practice matches with this in mind and I have to say a) it got better, and b) counterintuitively it seems to be equally or even less risky than pushing balls back and potentially giving popups.
One important thing I noticed is that I don't step back well enough after an opening, so the return can reach me before I'm ready to make a loop. But I already connected this in my mind to how I see higher level people play just a step further away from the table.

I like this. Gotta practice more now
Thank you. That'll be Euro 50.00 ( friendship price ). Paypal? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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I borrowed Hemings advice for @Gozo Aruna last night and really went for opening up as much and early as possible.
Played a fair bit of practice matches with this in mind and I have to say a) it got better, and b) counterintuitively it seems to be equally or even less risky than pushing balls back and potentially giving popups.
One important thing I noticed is that I don't step back well enough after an opening, so the return can reach me before I'm ready to make a loop. But I already connected this in my mind to how I see higher level people play just a step further away from the table.

I like this. Gotta practice more now
I consider it a failure if I push something I could've looped, even if I win the point :ROFLMAO: This gets a LOT harder when you face good servers. They don't necessarily need to trick you with their service, they just need to give you some hesitation, and then the quality of your opening loop becomes a lot lower.

So I did some more video guided practice today, and I think I've finally got the last few pieces nailed down. First, I was focusing too much on right to left rotation/weight transfer, I didn't realize that there's a bit of forward weight transfer as well. If you stand in a FH favored stance like Ma Long, you're not actually weight transferring completely if you just go right to left since the left foot is also to the front of the right foot. This further helps the cause of body movement being synchronized with arm movement, both from back right to left front.

I also realized that ML doesn't just relax his arm, he COMPLETELY relaxes his arm. I studied his form in slow mo and I realized just how utterly relaxed everything is until they're activated sequentially. His body drags his shoulder, his shoulder drags his upper arm, his upper arm drags his forearm, and his forearm drags his hand. Since I've already gotten the activation sequence down, it was easy to just relax more. Now my form on video looks much better, and power feels effortless. I can see now why ML's training videos look so pleasing and so effortless.

I'm also tinkering a bit more with my grip, moving my FH grip a bit higher up, as high as my BH grip. I was doing that a few months ago but kind of stopped halfway and focused on weight transfer and activation sequence instead. I found it rather hard actually for my hand not to slip down a bit on the handle when I repeatedly FH looped, especially when I worked on relaxing it until the very end. Now I feel comfortable on gripping the handle tighter so that it doesn't slip down without sacrificing the activation sequence. I'm not sure if it's more due to the firmer grip or the higher grip, but my goodness what a difference it makes in consistency! I've had so much trouble with FH loop from the BH corner practice, for example, and even when I land a few in a row it was kind of all over the place. Right after the change I think I landed ~10 in a row all to the opponent side's BH corner. It was WILD!

I'm so excited to be working on my FH again. I stopped a bit early a few months ago as I realized I needed further BH work, but man it's satisfying to hit massive FH shots, especially with the W968. So that's 4 things I need to work into my muscle memory.

1) Maintaining a forward lean
2) Body movement more synchronized to arm/racket movement
3) Further relaxing my arm/body before activation
4) Gripping higher up on the racket
 
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I consider it a failure if I push something I could've looped, even if I win the point

That could be one way to get into quick trouble. Not every point in TT needs to be won with a domineering attacking shot.

I studied his form in slow mo and I realized just how utterly relaxed everything is until they're activated sequentially.

Yes, true. I always try to articulate that generating power is a sequence of timed explosions creating, amplifying, and delivering kinetic energy.

Hey Big D, I should bring local trouble maker Ali and his 6-7 item collection of 968 to your neighborhood one day.

Hey, you interested in doing a 3 player teams tourney in Sac next week?
 
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That could be one way to get into quick trouble. Not every point in TT needs to be won with a domineering attacking shot.



Yes, true. I always try to articulate that generating power is a sequence of timed explosions creating, amplifying, and delivering kinetic energy.

Hey Big D, I should bring local trouble maker Ali and his 6-7 item collection of 968 to your neighborhood one day.

Hey, you interested in doing a 3 player teams tourney in Sac next week?
tournament is in 2 weeks bro!
 
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That could be one way to get into quick trouble. Not every point in TT needs to be won with a domineering attacking shot.



Yes, true. I always try to articulate that generating power is a sequence of timed explosions creating, amplifying, and delivering kinetic energy.

Hey Big D, I should bring local trouble maker Ali and his 6-7 item collection of 968 to your neighborhood one day.

Hey, you interested in doing a 3 player teams tourney in Sac next week?
That's true, I'm not saying that I don't push those balls, just that I see it as a failure in anticipation or footwork if I'm forced to do so.

I'm gonna be in China next week! But yeah, bring Ali around, I do wanna try out the 968s, can't get enough of their massive FH power!
 
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Had a tournament today, played first match against a guy stringest in my group, I lost but played really well. Then played against a lady, she was doing illegal serves I had to tell her a few times but I was so annoyed at that point that it affected my game in a bad way. Im ustt 1050ish, after that I played like im 250 usatt.

Need to get better at not havibg that stuff have impact on my game.
 
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Had a tournament today, played first match against a guy stringest in my group, I lost but played really well. Then played against a lady, she was doing illegal serves I had to tell her a few times but I was so annoyed at that point that it affected my game in a bad way. Im ustt 1050ish, after that I played like im 250 usatt.

Need to get better at not havibg that stuff have impact on my game.
It often comes with experiences like the one you had, it might take a few more. But it is good to have it as a goal and get there in the end.
 
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  • Woo Hoo! I am prescribed a playing style / method.
  • Gozo now has a recipe to follow when playing.
  • No need to use brain to think anymore.
  • Last night I was with my local coach and this is the playing style he prescribed. It is simple and not complicated.
  • Most important, it frees up my mind and let me play like a robot. Woo Hoo again.
  • Stand at the BH corner facing diagonally towards the opponent.
  • FH is resting on the middle table. Return all serves with FH. If it is a short serve = push / flick. Initiate offense with drive if serve comes with top or no-spin while if comes with back-spin then I shall loop it.
  • If the ball pass my elbow, then receive with a BH push or short drive with compact stroke only. The key word being COMPACT!
  • Once service return is complete; next prepare for BH rally and try to pressure by aiming at deep BH corner or cross-over point.
  • If pressure is successfully applied, that is when opponent is forced to give a middle ball or more on the FH side, this is opportunity and hence begin my FH drive to end the point ( my strong point ).
  • Yay! Simple recipe.... just like cooking instant ramen. Easy to cook, delicious to eat. Instant noodlefied(tm) my game, I like it! I like it a LOT!
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Took this little tactic for a test-drive today. Played against some weaker players and against a stronger player.

Those weaker ones, I was completely able to dominate them altogether. 4-0 most of the time, whereas, previously it would me winning like 4-2 or 4-3 etc.

Against the stronger player, previously I had no chance of taking even a single set, but today, applying this tactic, I was able to take two sets of him: Gozo 2 vs Strong Opponent 4.

Since this is my first time applying this tactic, I am confident, as I get more familiar with it, I will get even better result.
 
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Had a tournament today, played first match against a guy stringest in my group, I lost but played really well. Then played against a lady, she was doing illegal serves I had to tell her a few times but I was so annoyed at that point that it affected my game in a bad way. Im ustt 1050ish, after that I played like im 250 usatt.

Need to get better at not havibg that stuff have impact on my game.
Here is what I advise for illegal servers in USA sanctioned tourneys. Everything flows from knowing the laws of table tennis and the tourney organization.

Step one: on the first illegal serve, do not attempt to receive it, hold up non playing hand and say LET. Tell player their serve was illegal, and why, ask to not do that again,

Step two: next time they serve illegally, do not attempt to receive serve, hold up non playing hand and say LET. tell player you are going to the tourney director and referee to get an umpire, since the player will not serve legally.

Step three: Go to tourney director and inform TD and referee that your opponent will not serve legally and you need an umpire. TD must provide an umpire.

Step four: Supervise the umpire. If the umpire is not calling the illegal serve, do not attempt to receive the serve, hold up hand, say let, and inform umpire and opponent you are going to the tourney director and referee.

Step five: Inform TD and referee that the umpire assigned to your table is not calling the illegal serves, request a new umpire or the referee to umpire the remainder of the match.

Step six: Supervise the new umpire or referee. if umpire is assigned and serves are still illegal, then stop play, go to referee and ask referee to umpire the match. If the referee was umpiring the match and the illegal serves were not called illegal, then play out the match the best you can, then tell TD and referee how you feel and what you will do further. Same or next day, write a letter to the USATT CEO explaining that such and such tourney director and referee refused to call blatant illegal serves illegal. request action.

If there was no actual referee on site, then inform the USATT CEO of this. All USA sanctioned tourneys are required to have a referee on site. This individual is supposed to be identified on the tourney flyer pdf file. There are some TD who roll dirty and run tourneys without a referee, because it costs money to get a referee to travel to the tourney and function as a referee.

Since you understand the laws of TT and the way a tourney must be structured and administered, you have power.

This goes the same for any TD or opponent who says your rubber worn out on the edges is illegal... it likely IS legal, the ITTF FAQ Spring 2024 shows pics of rubber seriously chipped within 1 cm of edge and it is the shining example of normal wear and tear.

Knowing the laws of TT and knowing the sports body articulation and clarification of these gives you power to not be a victim of unfair play or administration.
 
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Oh... sometimes a TD will NOT assign an umpire to the match after you complain... of course you could and should write a letter to the USATT CEO explaining the circumstances and events...

... but you still have a match to play. If opponent STILL serves illegally and blatantly... then you should not feel bound by the laws of tt on your own serves... your opponent is not bound, so you should be bound IF opponent refuses to serve legally after you inform opponent.

WHAT to do ????

I say since there are no zero restriction on the legality of the serve, strive to do BETTER illegal serves than opponent.

You should be prepared for this with the collection of the most illegal and nasty serves known to man... Practice the FINGER TIP serves. These are serves where you do NOT do a toss... you hold ball on end of finger and bat, then unpredictably roll bat and press finger against ball and bat... results in a very heavy spin serve very unpredictable... you can even serve IN FRONT of endline, since opponent is not respecting serve rules, why should you?

Make it even NASTIER by doing HIDDEN fingertip serves. (hide serve by twisting body and untwist)

Once opponent gets a taste of his or her own medicine, that player will be singing a different tune real quick... and that player may complain to the TD about YOUR illegal serves being BETTER than his or her illegal serves. What an IRONY !!

Now the TD/referee has to decide to do their job and properly officiate and umpire the match... or commit to shirking their required duties... of which you can complain to USATT CEO and request action.
 
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There was a USA sanctioned tourney a decade ago where my opponent served illegally, I complained to TD and got an umpire... and I still lost the match.

All I could do was shake opponent's hand after the match, say good match, accept my loss and move on.

I could say I felt better exercising my rights as a player and competed the best I could. still didn't like losing, but in a TT match, there is a winner and loser of the match and I am not good enough to always be the winner.
 
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There was a USA sanctioned tourney a decade ago where my opponent served illegally, I complained to TD and got an umpire... and I still lost the match.

All I could do was shake opponent's hand after the match, say good match, accept my loss and move on.

I could say I felt better exercising my rights as a player and competed the best I could. still didn't like losing, but in a TT match, there is a winner and loser of the match and I am not good enough to always be the winner.
All amazing info, thank you so much. Will definitely exercise my right better next time. My coach mentioned a similar thing, however it was my 4th tournament and I had no idea about the structure etx.
 
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On the other hand I got a new blade and glued my rubbers, but I do see these small bubbles (mostly on bh side). From researching its probably because I did not evenly apply the glue ( my third time ever glueing rubbers). Do you guys think it actually effects the game/rubber (in which case I might have to redo it)?
 
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On the other hand I got a new blade and glued my rubbers, but I do see these small bubbles (mostly on bh side). From researching its probably because I did not evenly apply the glue ( my third time ever glueing rubbers). Do you guys think it actually effects the game/rubber (in which case I might have to redo it)?
These things, unless the adhesion to the blade is poor, do not affect play as much as the feelings over how they look might lead you to believe. That said, do whatever you find reasonable, you always learn something when it comes to equipment from working with it yourself. I have played good TT with rubbers with more uneven bubbles at specific points, sometimes because I wet glued without being careful, sometimes because I didn't remove the first layer then used another, sometimes from rubber cement and other trivial stuff. In the end, it is just best to focus on your technique once the blade spins the rubber and leave all the nuance to precision playing pros.
 
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I was up till 3am doing school work yesterday (Friday) even though I had an event for 9am today (Saturday). I wasn't sure i would play because of my injury, then I was reminded by the TD I hadn't entered after it was obvious I was playing table tennis regardless of injury. So I put in for one event (unsanctioned U2000) with no serious intent of playing. The main goal was still Minor League TT on Sunday.

But I had only hit the ball on Wednesday and i had some critical opponents i was going to face on Sunday. So I decided to use the Saturday event, since it was the unsanctioned first tournament at the new 5 month old full time club in my area, as preparation for tomorrow's matches.

Woke up at 8am, showered and then took the 40 minute drive to the tournament. Got there 20 minutes late and did my best to play without warming up to be somewhat fair to the players.

First match was against a lefty kid I have played a bit too often. Was concerned thus would be another long match but surprisingly the kid had a lot of trouble adjusting to my spin on this day and I won an easy 3-0 (6, 5, 4).

Second match was against a young adult player who has continued to improve. We matchup closely with each other and it often comes down to who wins tight games. He won 3-1 (-10,9,-9,-10). Oh well.

I play my last match against a kid ranked 1440 and I tried to play him like a 1400 kid but I kept getting third balled and stuck in long rallies. I won the first game at 8 or 9, the second game at deuce ans then played the last game seriously to beat him at 3. After, I found out he had beaten the lefty kid 3-0 and was clearly underrated.

I came out #2 and was scheduled to play the top player in another group that my friend was in and I thought I would be playing my friend, who had come in late as well. Unfortunately he sustained an elbow injury in his last match. Before that I got to practice with a guy with long pips, we had tried to meet last month but he couldn't come to the club because of work. We hit for about 15 minutes and then I hit for another 15 minutes with a player in my friends group. It was after this is found out my friend was injured and that i was going to play .... the player i had been hitting with for the last 15 minutes - he had won my friends group, coming back from 0-2 down against my friend.

So I play the guy in the round of sixteen. I expected a tough match from our practice but the guy struggled to loop my backspin serve when it drifted and that is usually the kiss of death against me. Because it means you will struggle with my pushes, I get to open with heavy spin more often than not. And most unfortunate for him was that I started counterlooping his openers perfectly. It was 3-0 really fast, a bit of a letdown vs anticipation of a compeitive match, but I will take it.

The next match was against the #1 overall seed, a lefty chopper with a very spinny forehand. The first time i had played him, I lost to him 3-1 but the second time, I beat him 3-1. I figured out that his pips has good reversal, so I could attack his first push as topspin without hesitation. In this match, he had massive struggles with my backspin serves, I must have gotten at least 8 points off pushes into the net though to be fair, there were times he chopped the serve back deep for winners lol. I won the first two games at 7 and 11, and had match points at 10-8. He saved the first after a long rally and saved the second when attacked my no spin serves with his pips and I didn't make contact with the return. He won the third game 14-12 and the 4th 11-5. So it looked like i might lose this one. Then something weird happened... I got body snatched by an alien who started playing shots that I could not physically play. I don't think I have ever regretted not having a camera for a match like this one. I won the last game 11-6 but some of the cross overs, counterloops, running down wide balls to loop down the line round the net to the corner for winners... probably best kept in my imagination but some viewers confirmed those things happened and wondered where my legs came from to make those shots that I almost never make! I regret that I will never be able to share the footage with my grand kids....

So on to the semifinals, I had to play a guy with short pips on forehand and inverted backhand. He had beaten a guy who i thought was the favorite for the event ans while I don't mind playing pips. I hate playing short pips on forehand because of the impact of smashes. I asked the guy I thought was the favorite what happened and he said this was one of the first few times thr guy had ever beaten him and that the pips player didn't let him get into his game. So I made note to self to be aggressive early and often. I won the first game at 11-9 and then lost the next game at 11-3. I was playing catchup, especially in game 3, because the guy had a good backhand opener and I often countered his openers off the table. Some backhand sidespin serving got me back into the mix and I got to 8-8. Two serves to the forehand i attached, the first long, the second one over the table where I just struggled to make my best attempt to loop the ball (probably had more sidespin than topspin) got me to 10-8! And a backhand sidespin serves he pushed off the table game me game 3. So there was hope now ans I had to win one more game! The last game went back and forth and we got to 9-9. And then two backhand sidespin serves, one topspinned long and one pushed long got me to 11-9 and 3-1. So on to the finals. Not bad for someone who didn't plan to play lol.

In the final, I was playing a junior who i had never beaten before. I did take the firat game from him the last time we played and pushed him to deuce in game 2 but he won 3-1 with the final game also at deuce. I had to remind myself that most of the matches happened when my form was worse but still, it was going to be a challenge.

I came out on fire and won the first game 11-7. Backhand opener was working with heavy spin, forehand was countering. And backspin serve was working. In game 2, I got to 10-8, and we played a long point which I got a killer opportunity but hit it long for 10-9. And then I got ready, thought up a heavy backspin long serve and served the ball into the table. WTF! I proceeded to lost the game 13-11.

My friend said I was playing well and I should.just focus. He wanted me to use my backhand serve more. My coach was watching and he was like the match is winnable for sure. I just need to stop kissing away points and giving him hope like I did at the end of that game. With all the pep talk. I went on to lose game 3 11-6. Was this going to be just like the last time where I lost in 4 games.

Nah. My footwork was better. My forehand was loopong over the table, my backhand was spinning heav openers. I got the 4th game 11-4. It was the do or die 5th game. I went down 0-3 ans aggravated my shoulder chasing down a long ball. Used the time out yo try and recover but I still went down 6-2. And then with my best efforts I was down 4-9. Surely, it was all over. Then the body snatcher came again. And I started loop killing serves. Countering openers. And all of a sudden the score was 9-9 ans i had the two serves coming up!

I set up my backhand serve. It was going to be long side top. I served and it clipped the let and went off the table. WTF! I told the crowd as much...

But I still had another serve. I served the backhand side top and won the point! Deuce. But it was not to be. at 11-12, he pused a ball short into my forehand but slightly high, and I felt i could loop it over the table but ended up clipping the net and losing the match.

Fun matches. Missing serves at criticam moments sucks. But i need to find a way to get that body snatcher to stop taking vacation and to live with me throughout the match lol.
 
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