Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[Grumms]

Is it fast and bouncy after booster?

It's not glued yet. Test tonight.

 

[jk1980]

after 4 sessions i think i "broke in" the Rxton 7 (37°) sponge and now it is unfortunately too soft for my usual forehand play. If i dont pay very good attention i will hit through the sponge easily and feel the ball hitting through the sponge and onto the blade. The spin is still there and if i pay attention i can try to just brush and simply accelerate the ball only with the sponge before the ball hits through, but it would definitely need a change of technique which i am not willing to perform for simply "playing the ball once more onto the table" kind of game tactic.

If it was just that, i would say "ok, it is the feeling. i can get used to it" and the obvious answer is to try the other hardnesses of Rxton 7 (got 39° and 40° already here, but only in black, so i cant use it on the spare blade that i just used to test it on). i played against a more seasoned player and he had issues when i concentrated on only slow loops and quite a few balls were blocked out by him when i did that, but in the end i lost. That's ok. Nothing to do with this rubber, because he is simply more consistent and i can not trouble him with "more consistency" with this rubber.
Then i played this pusher/smasher. I got a 40/60 track record against him. He also had issues when i brushed spinny, but i lost a 5 set game against him. I challenged him to a rematch (best of 3) and simply without warming up with it i took the blade with the LAC and beat him 2 to 1. What i could not do as good is close or over the table brush looping, but when we went into a pushing "rally" i could nearly at will loop powerfully and win the point quite often.

EJ'ing is a hell of a drug =/

 

[TensorBackhand]

after 4 sessions i think i "broke in" the Rxton 7 (37°) sponge and now it is unfortunately too soft for my usual forehand play. If i dont pay very good attention i will hit through the sponge easily and feel the ball hitting through the sponge and onto the blade. The spin is still there and if i pay attention i can try to just brush and simply accelerate the ball only with the sponge before the ball hits through, but it would definitely need a change of technique which i am not willing to perform for simply "playing the ball once more onto the table" kind of game tactic.

If it was just that, i would say "ok, it is the feeling. i can get used to it" and the obvious answer is to try the other hardnesses of Rxton 7 (got 39° and 40° already here, but only in black, so i cant use it on the spare blade that i just used to test it on). i played against a more seasoned player and he had issues when i concentrated on only slow loops and quite a few balls were blocked out by him when i did that, but in the end i lost. That's ok. Nothing to do with this rubber, because he is simply more consistent and i can not trouble him with "more consistency" with this rubber.
Then i played this pusher/smasher. I got a 40/60 track record against him. He also had issues when i brushed spinny, but i lost a 5 set game against him. I challenged him to a rematch (best of 3) and simply without warming up with it i took the blade with the LAC and beat him 2 to 1. What i could not do as good is close or over the table brush looping, but when we went into a pushing "rally" i could nearly at will loop powerfully and win the point quite often.

EJ'ing is a hell of a drug =/

I have Rxton 7 H40...but I still feel its too soft. I wish it was a bit harder and with more rebound too

 

[lodro]

i "broke in" the Rxton 7 (37°) sponge and now it is unfortunately too soft for my usual forehand play.

I though generally 37deg. was used as a BH rubber 😲

 

[jk1980]

I though generally 37deg. was used as a BH rubber 😲

i do totally get that, but on my spare blade i only had the red/coloured side that i could replace with a rubber to test and i had only the 37° one in red. The other hardnesses i ordered (39°&40°) were in black, so i could either build a racket with two black rubbers or use the red one to test the rubber. Before breaking in (so the first few hours i guess) were totally Ok in terms of hardness and i did not notice the ball hitting through onto the blade, but today it simply felt like i would play with soft 1.7mm sponge rubbers

 

[lodro]

i do totally get that, but on my spare blade i only had the red/coloured side that i could replace with a rubber to test and i had only the 37° one in red. The other hardnesses i ordered (39°&40°) were in black, so i could either build a racket with two black rubbers or use the red one to test the rubber. Before breaking in (so the first few hours i guess) were totally Ok in terms of hardness and i did not notice the ball hitting through onto the blade, but today it simply felt like i would play with soft 1.7mm sponge rubbers

 

[lodro]

a shame really that Loki is constantly bringing out new rubbers and that they are of such mixed quality.
As far as BH rubber hardness is concerned it is of course always up to the individual. I did have a short "soft phase", using DHS H3 Neo 37 degr. but it just did not work for me. For quite a long time i now use H3 39.

I also had an "incidence" when I only had the same color rubbers. I glued them on a blade and went to the club night , played for 2 hours and nobody even noticed it. 😁

 

[TensorBackhand]

Today I tested out a few Loki rubbers and I will give my impressions

Telson 100 - I came back to tried Telson 100 again after several weeks after boosting. Previously, I felt that it was rather slow and unimpressive. But for some reason, weeks later I find that it has tremendous catapult and rebound. Not slow at all. I don't know what happened. But maybe previously I tried it too early after boosting and it was mushy or something. Now I find it extremely springy and powerful

Rxton 9 National - This rubber is very much like a boosted H3 Blue sponge. The speed is medium. It's definitely not a fast rubber, but its not dead either. The standout feature is the extremely high dwell time and catchiness of the rubber. It grabs the ball and spins the ball very well. Compared to D09c, it definitely feels like you need to put in more effort. Overall it's a nice rubber. I don't feel its really a huge upgrade over Loki's N80. I'm curious how it performs with booster.

Arthur Europe - A decent rubber with medium speed. Not a super fast rubber, but not too dead either. If you want more of a spinny and controlled bh, this would be a reasonable choice. Not overly impressive, but not bad either.

 

[mattlamperouge]

Today I tested out a few Loki rubbers and I will give my impressions

Telson 100 - I came back to tried Telson 100 again after several weeks after boosting. Previously, I felt that it was rather slow and unimpressive. But for some reason, weeks later I find that it has tremendous catapult and rebound. Not slow at all. I don't know what happened. But maybe previously I tried it too early after boosting and it was mushy or something. Now I find it extremely springy and powerful

Rxton 9 National - This rubber is very much like a boosted H3 Blue sponge. The speed is medium. It's definitely not a fast rubber, but its not dead either. The standout feature is the extremely high dwell time and catchiness of the rubber. It grabs the ball and spins the ball very well. Compared to D09c, it definitely feels like you need to put in more effort. Overall it's a nice rubber. I don't feel its really a huge upgrade over Loki's N80. I'm curious how it performs with booster.

Arthur Europe - A decent rubber with medium speed. Not a super fast rubber, but not too dead either. If you want more of a spinny and controlled bh, this would be a reasonable choice. Not overly impressive, but not bad either.

Telson 100 must feel quite fast and with catapult out of the box.
RXTON 9 sponge takes booster quite well i Think you would like it.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Telson 100 must feel quite fast and with catapult out of the box.
RXTON 9 sponge takes booster quite well i Think you would like it.

Any more new Loki rubbers being planned?

To me Rxton 7 really wasn't a good D09c comparison. It was actually more similar to Rxton 3 Pro.

Rxton 9 is a very good H3 BS comparison.

Telson 100 is a reasonable Tenergy/Dignics comparison. I wish it was grippier though.

 

[jk1980]

a shame really that Loki is constantly bringing out new rubbers and that they are of such mixed quality.
As far as BH rubber hardness is concerned it is of course always up to the individual. I did have a short "soft phase", using DHS H3 Neo 37 degr. but it just did not work for me. For quite a long time i now use H3 39.

I also had an "incidence" when I only had the same color rubbers. I glued them on a blade and went to the club night , played for 2 hours and nobody even noticed it. 😁

I do n play PK50 on the backend, so I don't need a soft rubber on the backend. If it was only about training, I would not care about the two same colors, but if I decide to exercise with it, I will keep it at least a week and this would include playing a competitive with it. Chances are nobody notices, but I don't want to take chances somebody complaining.

 

[enoxzr]

Got my first few test hits in with my Telson 100 and T3 W81. My T3 has a little weird white discoloration on it, like it is oxidized, but it doesn't seem to hinder the performance.

Both tried briefly as FH rubber (in light of a possible switch to an ESN forehand) and the T3 definitely feels firmer/harder, and its also on a slightly harder blade. Telson 100 seems waaaaaay more spin friendly. T3 has a higher base speed, as far as catapult goes can't judge it yet.

Gonna try em both bit more extensive tomorrow, but the Telson 100 also seems a budget option for people playing ESN medium hardness rubbers from the first look.

My test setups are:

Artte Italia DEF
FH: Loki Telson 100 47,5
BH: Saviga 77 Monster LP 0.5

Sauer & Troger Banana
FH: Loki T3 W81
BH: Dawei 388D-2 0.5

 

[TensorBackhand]

Got my first few test hits in with my Telson 100 and T3 W81. My T3 has a little weird white discoloration on it, like it is oxidized, but it doesn't seem to hinder the performance.

Both tried briefly as FH rubber (in light of a possible switch to an ESN forehand) and the T3 definitely feels firmer/harder, and its also on a slightly harder blade. Telson 100 seems waaaaaay more spin friendly. T3 has a higher base speed, as far as catapult goes can't judge it yet.

Gonna try em both bit more extensive tomorrow, but the Telson 100 also seems a budget option for people playing ESN medium hardness rubbers from the first look.

My test setups are:

Artte Italia DEF
FH: Loki Telson 100 47,5
BH: Saviga 77 Monster LP 0.5

Sauer & Troger Banana
FH: Loki T3 W81
BH: Dawei 388D-2 0.5

Interesting. I remember T3 being very fast, but a bit hard to spin with.

I also felt T3 doesnt speed up much from booster, but maybe T100 does

 

[jk1980]

i was finally able to measure Rxton 7 vs LAC vs Rakza Z (on W968 and Nittaku Acoustic) with my spinsight setup ( with 30 strokes per test).
Most results were in line with what one would expect:


Looping "empty"/slight topspin balls yielded these average values:
W968 Rxton7 (37°) : 87 rps topspin with 33 km/h
W968 LAC (40°): 98 rps topspin 36 km/h
NA LAC (40°): 101 rps topspin 35 km/h
NA RakzaZ : 95 rps topspin 32 km/h

Looping underspin ball (backspin -2 on amicus which is about 30 rps)
W968 Rxton7 (37°) : 91 rps topspin with 28 km/h
W968 LAC (40°): 83 rps topspin 32 km/h
NA LAC (40°): 99 rps topspin 34 km/h
NA RakzaZ : 97 rps topspin 33 km/h

I think the conclusion that one will create more spin with an all wood blade is very obvious.
what was interesting is the seemingly less topspin that i generated with the LAC on W968 against backspin (compared to the Rxton7).

I deliberately did not use a higher number of strokes per test because tbh this is already stretching it in terms of fatigue if i do 30 loops in a row i will become less accurate with time.

 

[hayhayc86]

Finally arrived, looking forward to try these on my w81 blade. Interestingly the 37 degree red rubber comes with blue sponge

 

[enoxzr]

Had a session today with my Telson 100 and T3 W81 setups.

T3 has indeed a higher base speed, but is as fast, maybe even slower on the same blade as the T100 on active strokes. T3 is very linear, great blocking rubber/flat hitting rubber, as it seems quite insensitive to incoming spin.

T100 has a higher arc and a way higher spin potential. This was most noticeable when serving, far spinnier serves coming off the Telson 100 opposed to the T3.

All in all I have decided to keep the T100 on the Artte Italia DEF blade for now and have removed the T3 from the S&T Banana, replaced that with a H8-80 37, just to play around with.

While the T100 is a fine transition rubber, I feel like I could do with a step more catapult and potentially arc. So going to look for that end of the month in ESN options.

T3 W81 is a fine rubber, but in my eyes unsuitable for FH play. BH blocking or angle play this rubber seems like a serious option!

 

[TensorBackhand]

Had a session today with my Telson 100 and T3 W81 setups.

T3 has indeed a higher base speed, but is as fast, maybe even slower on the same blade as the T100 on active strokes. T3 is very linear, great blocking rubber/flat hitting rubber, as it seems quite insensitive to incoming spin.

T100 has a higher arc and a way higher spin potential. This was most noticeable when serving, far spinnier serves coming off the Telson 100 opposed to the T3.

All in all I have decided to keep the T100 on the Artte Italia DEF blade for now and have removed the T3 from the S&T Banana, replaced that with a H8-80 37, just to play around with.

While the T100 is a fine transition rubber, I feel like I could do with a step more catapult and potentially arc. So going to look for that end of the month in ESN options.

T3 W81 is a fine rubber, but in my eyes unsuitable for FH play. BH blocking or angle play this rubber seems like a serious option!

Try boosting t100. Might give more catapult

 

[longle]

it's sticky as hell out of package, let's see if the tack will be less after the first session
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the LAC I gave my friend last month started to show sponge breaking issue (although it's not bubbled yet)

 

[Attitude]

the LAC I gave my friend last month started to show sponge breaking issue (although it's not bubbled yet)

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1 month is quite long for that rubber and a decent strong fh player.
I usually achieved this within 2-3 weeks of playing fh with it.
It survives around 2 months on my bh which would be okish, therefore i still see it as decent h3 alternative.

 

[longle]

1 month is quite long for that rubber and a decent strong fh player.
I usually achieved this within 2-3 weeks of playing fh with it.
It survives around 2 months on my bh which would be okish, therefore i still see it as decent h3 alternative.

oh shit now I check closely, a bubble appears 😂 so this green package LAC also suffers from the same problem as the old one. Maybe it can't stand the weather in Vietnam I wonder?