CORKSCREW --the best rewarding type of spin.

[igorponger]

CORKSCREW --the best gainful type of spin.

Gozy took benefit a lot from the law of aerodynamics. We call this stroke a corkscrew spin, the most weird spin ever possible in racket sports.

 

[jk1980]

this is side-underspin most likely, and not corkscrew (which would have to be clockwise or counter-clockwise) spin from the position of the receiver.

 

[haggisv]

this is side-underspin most likely, and not corkscrew (which would have to be clockwise or counter-clockwise) spin from the position of the receiver.

Yes I thought so too...if it was pure sidespin the return would likely not have gone into the net.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

its click bait
title of thread doesn't match the content, again.
or who knows, maybe they call underspin, corkscrew in russia.... maybe.

us here in Asia, we have top spin, no spin, undrespin and side spin, and the mix of them.
we don't have corkscrew spin, or wine cap spin etc

 

[Dr Evil]

us here in Asia, we have top spin, no spin, undrespin and side spin, and the mix of them.
we don't have corkscrew spin, or wine cap spin etc

As long as you're living in the same three spatial dimensions as the rest of us you've got corkscrew spin.

Spin axis up-down = left or right sidespin
Spin axis left-right = topspin or underspin
Spin axis back-front = left or right corkscrew

Usually the spin axis isn't purely up-down, left-right or back-front, so you get components of two or all three types, i.e., a "mix" of spins. Any time the ball kicks left or right off the bounce there's a corkscrew component (sidespin makes the ball curve through the air, not off the bounce, though the bounce itself will tend to tilt the spin axis and introduce a corkscrew component into pure sidespin), so Igor may not be completely wrong. But I'd agree Gauzy's amazing shot is mostly side-under.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

As long as you're living in the same three spatial dimensions as the rest of us you've got corkscrew spin.

Spin axis up-down = left or right sidespin
Spin axis left-right = topspin or underspin
Spin axis back-front = left or right corkscrew

Usually the spin axis isn't purely up-down, left-right or back-front, so you get components of two or all three types, i.e., a "mix" of spins. Any time the ball kicks left or right off the bounce there's a corkscrew component (sidespin makes the ball curve through the air, not off the bounce, though the bounce itself will tend to tilt the spin axis and introduce a corkscrew component into pure sidespin), so Igor may not be completely wrong. But I'd agree Gauzy's amazing shot is mostly side-under.

what is back-front spin axis?

 

[haggisv]

what is back-front spin axis?

It's when the axis of rotation is along the horizontal line between you and your opponent, so it's basically pure sidespin, either left or right. Don't know why they call it corkscrew, but this seems to be a commonly accepted term.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It's when the axis of rotation is along the horizontal line between you and your opponent, so it's basically pure sidespin, either left or right. Don't know why they call it corkscrew, but this seems to be a commonly accepted term.

AI:
A "corkscrew spin" is a rotational movement, typically performed in sports like roller skating, pole dancing, or ice skating, where the body twists and turns while spinning, resembling the twisting motion of a corkscrew, with the legs wrapping around each other while rotating in a spiral pattern; essentially, it's a spin with an added twisting motion to the body.

so table tennis, the spin is side spin? haha

 

[nablaz]

AI:
A "corkscrew spin" is a rotational movement, typically performed in sports like roller skating, pole dancing, or ice skating, where the body twists and turns while spinning, resembling the twisting motion of a corkscrew, with the legs wrapping around each other while rotating in a spiral pattern; essentially, it's a spin with an added twisting motion to the body.

so table tennis, the spin is side spin? haha

No Tony, it's not just side spin... It's 3-dimensional, so side spin and top/under spin are two of the three components, corkscrew being the third one.
It is just semantics and a matter of definitions, but i'll try to make it clear. If I fail in doing so, I suggest you look for the definition of "axis of rotation".

Imagine being at the table and looking towards your opponent:

- if the ball spins along a vertical axis of rotation, you get side spin;

- if the ball spins along a horizontal axis of rotation, directed left to right and parallel to the net, you get top/back spin;

- if the ball spins along a horizontal axis of rotation, directed front to back and perpendicular to the net, you get corkscrew spin.

When receiving, these are the shots that act like top spin when impacted on one of the sides of the ball and like back spin when impacted on the opposite side.
Obviously, most shots have spin that is not perfectly aligned along just one "ideal" axis...

Even more obviously, I agree that Igor is clickbaiting, as usual, with wrong definitions and poorly made content.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Imagine being at the table and looking towards your opponent:

- if the ball spins along a vertical axis of rotation, you get side spin;

- if the ball spins along a horizontal axis of rotation, directed left to right and parallel to the net, you get top/back spin;

- if the ball spins along a horizontal axis of rotation, directed front to back and perpendicular to the net, you get corkscrew spin.

I think I am not enjoying the reading of it in the moment
haha

so asking AI

what does this mean - if the ball spins along a horizontal axis of rotation, directed front to back and perpendicular to the net, you get corkscrew spin.

This means that if a ball (such as a tennis ball, soccer ball, or volleyball) spins around a horizontal axis that runs front to back (meaning from the player toward the net) and is perpendicular to the net, it will have a corkscrew spin.

Explanation:​

• Horizontal axis of rotation: The ball is spinning around an axis that is parallel to the ground.
• Front to back: The axis runs from the player's position toward the net.
• Perpendicular to the net: The axis forms a 90-degree angle with the net.

Effect:​

• Instead of curving left or right (like a sidespin) or dropping (like topspin or backspin), the ball will have a corkscrew motion, meaning it will move in an unexpected, twisting trajectory.
• This type of spin can make the ball curve unpredictably in flight, which can be confusing for opponents.

to me, this is just more side spin.... (i'm still not enjoying the reading from AI, will check on it later)

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

where does the term corkscrew come from?
or did the term corkscrew serve come from the definition of the ball spinning?

so do you have ghost spin, when I do ghost serve?

 

[Lazer]

No Tony, it's not just side spin... It's 3-dimensional, so side spin and top/under spin are two of the three components, corkscrew being the third one.
It is just semantics and a matter of definitions, but i'll try to make it clear. If I fail in doing so, I suggest you look for the definition of "axis of rotation".

Imagine being at the table and looking towards your opponent:

- if the ball spins along a vertical axis of rotation, you get side spin;

- if the ball spins along a horizontal axis of rotation, directed left to right and parallel to the net, you get top/back spin;

- if the ball spins along a horizontal axis of rotation, directed front to back and perpendicular to the net, you get corkscrew spin.

When receiving, these are the shots that act like top spin when impacted on one of the sides of the ball and like back spin when impacted on the opposite side.
Obviously, most shots have spin that is not perfectly aligned along just one "ideal" axis...

Even more obviously, I agree that Igor is clickbaiting, as usual, with wrong definitions and poorly made content.

That's a great explanation, it certainly is not regular side spin...
I don't on top of my head right now see how it is possible to create such spin, but it makes sense.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Lazer]

It's when the axis of rotation is along the horizontal line between you and your opponent, so it's basically pure sidespin, either left or right. Don't know why they call it corkscrew, but this seems to be a commonly accepted term.

If You think about it (nablaz explanation), tracing the rotation will look just like a corkscrew.

I.e the ball is moving from player A to player B and rotating around the line between player A and player B.
A regular side spin would rotate perpendicular to this line...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[ttarc]

Contact point/racket before and after contacting the ball (YT still has the TT friendly option to pause the video and use . and , to step forward and backward through the frames)

 

[nablaz]

I think I am not enjoying the reading of it in the moment
haha

so asking AI

what does this mean - if the ball spins along a horizontal axis of rotation, directed front to back and perpendicular to the net, you get corkscrew spin.

This means that if a ball (such as a tennis ball, soccer ball, or volleyball) spins around a horizontal axis that runs front to back (meaning from the player toward the net) and is perpendicular to the net, it will have a corkscrew spin.

Explanation:​

• Horizontal axis of rotation: The ball is spinning around an axis that is parallel to the ground.
• Front to back: The axis runs from the player's position toward the net.
• Perpendicular to the net: The axis forms a 90-degree angle with the net.

Effect:​

• Instead of curving left or right (like a sidespin) or dropping (like topspin or backspin), the ball will have a corkscrew motion, meaning it will move in an unexpected, twisting trajectory.
• This type of spin can make the ball curve unpredictably in flight, which can be confusing for opponents.

to me, this is just more side spin.... (i'm still not enjoying the reading from AI, will check on it later)

If you like using AI for this kind of thing, please go ahead. I generally think its use diminishes the arguments as one doesn't need to think by themselves in order to formulate them...

With that said, yes, it is a form of sidespin... in a sense. But, it is different in the way it behaves when bouncing on the table or a racket from "pure" sidespin (i.e. the one with the vertical axis of rotation).

I fully agree that in practice it is basically impossible to create "pure" spin in just one direction, and that corkscrew in particular always has components of top/back or sidespin associated with it, because the brushing needed to create it implies no forward momentum otherwise. So you can (if you prefer) group its effects with the two other spin components/axis and avoid distinguishing it.

To answer Lazer about how to create (mostly) corkscrew, I think the easiest way is serving with a pendulum or reverse-pendulum, but brushing on the side and upwards, instead of forwards.
This way, when the ball is received, it will behave like top spin or back spin depending on the side it is touched from.
Another common case is the "snake" shot (think of Adam Bobrow)... you are adding very little forward momentum to the ball and are brushing it sideways from the bottom: this way the ball will jump sideways when it bounces on the table. If you add a little bit of back spin component, this will help to stop the forward momentum upon impact with the table and thus exaggerate the bounce sideways.

And no, again, I do not think that the corkscrew component applies much in the case of Gauzy's shot, or that one could call that a corkscrew shot!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

If you like using AI for this kind of thing, please go ahead. I generally think its use diminishes the arguments as one doesn't need to think by themselves in order to formulate them...

With that said, yes, it is a form of sidespin... in a sense. But, it is different in the way it behaves when bouncing on the table or a racket from "pure" sidespin (i.e. the one with the vertical axis of rotation).

I fully agree that in practice it is basically impossible to create "pure" spin in just one direction, and that corkscrew in particular always has components of top/back or sidespin associated with it, because the brushing needed to create it implies no forward momentum otherwise. So you can (if you prefer) group its effects with the two other spin components/axis and avoid distinguishing it.

To answer Lazer about how to create (mostly) corkscrew, I think the easiest way is serving with a pendulum or reverse-pendulum, but brushing on the side and upwards, instead of forwards.
This way, when the ball is received, it will behave like top spin or back spin depending on the side it is touched from.
Another common case is the "snake" shot (think of Adam Bobrow)... you are adding very little forward momentum to the ball and are brushing it sideways from the bottom: this way the ball will jump sideways when it bounces on the table. If you add a little bit of back spin component, this will help to stop the forward momentum upon impact with the table and thus exaggerate the bounce sideways.

And no, again, I do not think that the corkscrew component applies much in the case of Gauzy's shot, or that one could call that a corkscrew shot!

i just ask ai to explain to in easy english

i just call it side top spin, with more side than top.
but what about my ghost serve were there is heavy under and no forward motion, we shall call it ghost spin?

 

[nablaz]

i just ask ai to explain to in easy english

i just call it side top spin, with more side than top.
but what about my ghost serve were there is heavy under and no forward motion, we shall call it ghost spin?

Why are you being confrontational?
I was just trying to explain the English terminology to you, knowing full well that you are a more experienced player than me, but also that your English is sometimes limited (by your own admission).
Please don't try to dumb this down or counter-attack me, this was never meant to be disrespectful or aggressive towards you. I have no intentions of discrediting you or to make an argument about this!

I would rather prefer we poke fun at Igor's threads together, as they always deserve that!

 

[tzifos]

what is back-front spin axis?

When it moves forward and backward in time

 

[riemsesy]

ah snakeshot is a kind of corkscrew, it's not sidespin, neither topspin or backspin
like a bowlingball thrown by a pro, you see the ball drift while sliding forward

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

When it moves forward and backward in time

let me get a time machine