WTT Champions Incheon 2025 - 1-6 Apr 2025

[sky500]

LSS looked kind injured or it was just too taxing. But I really thought it would have been closer

 

[ThePongCommenter]

When I look at the players who have occupied the WR1 I think it's a fair definition for Tier 1.
How else to separate the absolute best and most consistent from the rest?


He's had some great results in 16 yrs.
If this puts him in your tier 1 then ok.

So if I agree he's had some great results what exactly are we disagreed on?
Your comment above reads as if I said LSS was completely useless and never a threat to anyone. But I didn't say that.
It seems you're alledging that because 'on his day' years back he was capable of a few flash results that he might still be a threat to the top Chinese players. Am I understanding you correctly?

I don't think he can still beat the best Chinese players, finding more results from his past won't change my opinion on that because the truth is when Chinese players have been involved he's never won anything...
That's not someone who (at an age not many players can find an upward trajectory) I can regard as a serious threat.
But I'd be happy to be wrong. An Indian Summer in his career would be amazing and judging by how he dispatched LYJ then maybe it's here 🤷‍♂️

I'm not entirely sure where we disagree either at this point but you say that he has been on the slide for the last 6 years and in the last 6 years he has beaten a prime FZD and Ma Long, and LGY multiple times who has been a CNT first team mainstay for the last decade or so whether you consider him tier 1 or not. Not bad for someone on the decline. That alone puts him on a short list of players who can and have beaten top Chinese players which was my original point - without even getting into the aspects of his game that makes him more of a threat compared to some of the other "threats to Chinese dominance".

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

LSS looked kind injured or it was just too taxing. But I really thought it would have been closer

I believe the latter.
LSS had to take out Felix, Lind, LGY, LYJ,
Felix and Lind had like 2~3 days break in between, and then it is daily, with LYJ and XP 2 in 1 day.
Fitness was the winner and LSS loss to fitness, not to table tennis imo.
If maybe he was more towards prime age, his fitness would showed more fight, but it wasn't meant to me.
Still impressive getting 2nd place and knocking out that list of stars.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Oh Chen Xingtong 🤦🏻‍♀️

oh my that must hurt a lot...

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

Xiang Peng was too good throughout this tournament. physically on another level too

 

[NetProphet]

I'm not entirely sure where we disagree either at this point but you say that he has been on the slide for the last 6 years

His WR has gone from 6 to ~50 in the 6 yrs Im referring to. Surely you can see the logic in my statement?
Or are you asserting there has been no decline? Or another reason to hint that my statement is somehow incorrect?
Like, show me how there has been non decline since WR 6 in 2018.

and in the last 6 years he has beaten a prime FZD and Ma Long,

Prime FZD yes. FZD underperformed and LSS took him down but prime ML, no. Prime ML was generally considered to be 2014-2019. Of course it's subjective but if you write ML was prime when LSS beat him then we don't agree.
LSS beat ML in 2024 at world teams right?

and LGY multiple times who has been a CNT first team mainstay for the last decade or so whether you consider him tier 1 or not.

I think most people consider LGY second tier when compared with the best in China.

Not bad for someone on the decline.

Yeah he's done ok. Butbyiu writing in here like he's some major threat to the best Chinese players is not backed by anything so I'm not sure where you're going with things

That alone puts him on a short list of players who can and have beaten top Chinese players which was my original point

Yes, your original point was he has been a threat in the past but I'm trying to balance everything and make it relevant to now.
And I said I don't see him as any threat even though he may have had some good days in the past.

He had another chance today and he ____ big time. So for the moment I reckon that's that.
Let's see how he goes from here and if he can actually win anything, because let's face it, actually winning anything is when you become a legitimate threat to any top tier A Chinese players.

 

[NetProphet]

oh my that must hurt a lot...

Yes I think so. She had it between her fingers...
I wish to gid she'd just gone for it!
If she'd gone for outright winners the next two points and misses then there are still 2 more points to try the safer, tactical approach.
I'd imagine she's kicking herself 🙁

 

[zeio]

you adding him to your retire list?

Yet another straw man. Other than putting words in other's mouth, I see you and NextLevel are neither interested nor capable of backing up arguments with stats and quotes. Well, not like the stats are in your favor anyway and not even your own quotes are consistent.

Last but not least, see how your media views your hero's latest "failure". Can't even convince your own folks.

if zeio is ITTF president
the world ranking list will only have 5 players

If you were the CTTA president, the CNT would really have imploded. How do you feel about your asinine thread now? I for one feel embarrassed for you.

As ZJK's dad said in episode 2 of Table Tennis in China, the level of the elementary coach is a big factor in determining the future height of a player. Your level is showing.

 

[zeio]

The main reason he didn't make the Olympic team was that Cho Daesong won through rankings qualification. But as a quality player to withstand the pressure, there was no reason that Lee Sang Su couldn't have made the team. I am sure to some degree the Koreans have mild regret about it with his recent vein of form but maybe Cho Daesong will make them forget about it at some point.

JSH gave his spot to LSS back at Rio 2016 and the latter lost to Crisan in R1/R32. JYS, OTOH, gave ML a big scare in R16. JYS was picked for Tokyo 2020 by recommendation and took out Boll in R16, which I predicted as well, before losing to FZD in QF. Can you rule out Boll's Olympic record wouldn't have happened to LSS at Paris 2024?

In that post, I even hinted at the possibility of QD (R2/R32, 7th seed) and Ovtcharov (R16, 9th seed) having trouble to reach the QF. Poor Franziska.

 

[joshmak10]

Xiang Peng can finally be that 5th spot for Team China? What a performance from him.

 

[NetProphet]

Xiang Peng can finally be that 5th spot for Team China? What a performance from him.

He was brilliant.
The consistency was incredible.
To follow up his victory over V Hugo with such a performance V Franzisca followed by such a dominant display in the final was quite incredible.
That kind of consistency has been rare for him but somehow he trapped the lightning in the bottle this wknd!

 

[Shine]

Xiang Peng can finally be that 5th spot for Team China? What a performance from him.

He needs to be more consistent but his performance in the last 2 major tournaments he's attended is something for coach CZJ to write home about.
All eyes would be on him if he gets to play at the WTTC, and on HYZ at the world cup. But it looks like a new future big 3 is slowly forming; LSD, XP & HYZ with XYG hanging around for some mental support.

 

[Shine]

For those who have very strong opinions and who resolutely believe and have their "can't disclose on TTD sources" that the Olympic Champions were forced out and they had no say in the post-Olympic transition of the CNT into this new Olympic cycle.

What is LGY still doing on that team?, I mean at this point, he's simply blocking the younger guys with more fire in their loins. He's not strategically guarding any strongpost, Why's he still on the team?
Cos I imagine it'd be a no-brainer for the coaches to essentially demand his retirement in the "out with the old, in with the new" policy, but yet here he is.

 

[dingyibvs]

Xiang Peng can finally be that 5th spot for Team China? What a performance from him.

He was already the 5th ranked by a decent margin, I think this cemented it. Do well in Taiyuan next week and I think he can even surpass LGY in the rankings and be in top 10.

 

[v100ev]

I read in a youtube comment (most reliable source ever) that LSS said that he injured his forearm muscle in set 1. This would make more sense to me

 

[dingyibvs]

I read in a youtube comment (most reliable source ever) that LSS said that he injured his forearm muscle in set 1. This would make more sense to me

Ah the sore forearm, many of us have known it well since the teenage years

 

[pedro.dantas]

SF
LYJ 2-4 LSS (5, -5, -9, -2, 8, -9)
Similar to Ito, not enough has actually changed for LYJ...

LSS got really luck with edge balls game 4 and 6...

 

[rpb23]

Played too safe is my evaluation. Had 4 points to go for it but it was WY who pulled out the big shots.
You gotta go for it, not wait for the opponent to miss 🤷‍♂️

That's always the main barrier preventing her from reaching the top: risk taking, ambition and willingness to step into uncomfortable zoom.
It has to do with the personality and temperament.
With that said, CXT is one of the players with the most solid fundamentals, well balanced technique and consistency. For any non-Chinese player, she is like a stone wall very hard to penetrate unless you really play out of your mind.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yet another straw man. Other than putting words in other's mouth,

you have a long term sickness of wanting to retire so many players, who are all mightier than you and your fellow fans.
because you think you are the same nationality than world champions and back with some views of few tieba users, you supersede others and look down on them (the elites).
this is a sickness if you haven't notice by now, a sickness that so many are irritated about on TTD.

I see you and NextLevel are neither interested nor capable of backing up arguments with stats and quotes. Well, not like the stats are in your favor anyway and not even your own quotes are consistent.

Last but not least, see how your media views your hero's latest "failure". Can't even convince your own folks.

our media and our fans won't go out retiring players.... in fact, that is pretty much most of the rest of the world.
we sure won't also go out retiring other countries players and so with many from other countries towards LYJ.
That is a total different level of sportsmanship - sportsmanship goes beyond the players ethics, but also the ethics of supporters and fans. I think this is one big issue on why so many people have a problem with you.

If you were the CTTA president, the CNT would really have imploded. How do you feel about your asinine thread now? I for one feel embarrassed for you.

As ZJK's dad said in episode 2 of Table Tennis in China, the level of the elementary coach is a big factor in determining the future height of a player. Your level is showing.

of course you will be embarrassed, because you feel China's glory is your credit, because you simply see too highly of yourself but end of the day, you are a mere internet fan and make uses of hyperlinks and other internet fans voice to back your ideology and your head is probably grown in size since you started this trend a decade ago, that doesn't make you correct all the time.

my level? you still don't have the guts to come out into the spot lights and hiding behind "I have done that a decade ago on another forum lol"
hiding behind the levels of CNT to think you are great, that is your level, isn't it? so by default, you think you are higher than anyone else here, but at mere, you are just as good as hyperlinks, and nothing more.

so next time you want to retire players and think any player is useless, you should ask yourself if you are any better first.

 

[NextLevel]

JSH gave his spot to LSS back at Rio 2016 and the latter lost to Crisan in R1/R32. JYS, OTOH, gave ML a big scare in R16. JYS was picked for Tokyo 2020 by recommendation and took out Boll in R16, which I predicted as well, before losing to FZD in QF. Can you rule out Boll's Olympic record wouldn't have happened to LSS at Paris 2024?

In that post, I even hinted at the possibility of QD (R2/R32, 7th seed) and Ovtcharov (R16, 9th seed) having trouble to reach the QF. Poor Franziska.

Can't rule it out for sure: peak LSS was at 2017 WTTC and he has always been streaky.