Impact of US Tariffs policies on equipment price

[igorponger]

CHINA CHEATERS OVERWHELMING.

China violates every decency, producing bastard rubbers a lot. We did met adozen china twins under label "frictionless version" marked with a standard ittf logo. ITTF did now loosen control of rubbers in search for extra money profits. So we, the law guardians, ought to deploy rubber testing "on situ" by means of portable test instruments. We dont agree that cheaters keep breeding too much here and there all over national leagues.

 

[haggisv]

CHINA CHEATERS OVERWHELMING.

China violates every decency, producing bastard rubbers a lot. We did met adozen china twins under label "frictionless version" marked with a standard ittf logo. ITTF did now loosen control of rubbers in search for extra money profits. So we, the law guardians, ought to deploy rubber testing "on situ" by means of portable test instruments. We dont agree that cheaters keep breeding too much here and there all over national leagues.

Right on topic as usual

 

[Jslick89]

Prices on AliExpress still seem normal. Do tariffs not apply to them?

It’s my understanding that AliExpress doesn’t charge the tariffs. They will sell as normal. Tariffs and duties are going to applied by customs. So most likely the delivery service will be charged the tariffs. Then the delivery service will invoice you for the tariffs. I know one time I bought something from AliExpress and it was so weird I had to go to the post office and pay $7 to pick it up. I ordered somethings last night on AliExpress l. Hopefully I don’t get hit with a huge bill from fedex or something lol

 

[TensorBackhand]

It’s my understanding that AliExpress doesn’t charge the tariffs. They will sell as normal. Tariffs and duties are going to applied by customs. So most likely the delivery service will be charged the tariffs. Then the delivery service will invoice you for the tariffs. I know one time I bought something from AliExpress and it was so weird I had to go to the post office and pay $7 to pick it up. I ordered somethings last night on AliExpress l. Hopefully I don’t get hit with a huge bill from fedex or something lol

Ok let us know how it goes

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It’s my understanding that AliExpress doesn’t charge the tariffs. They will sell as normal. Tariffs and duties are going to applied by customs. So most likely the delivery service will be charged the tariffs. Then the delivery service will invoice you for the tariffs. I know one time I bought something from AliExpress and it was so weird I had to go to the post office and pay $7 to pick it up. I ordered somethings last night on AliExpress l. Hopefully I don’t get hit with a huge bill from fedex or something lol

well
what you said is correct (that tariffs is for imports and not exports).

but some countries will provide financial support to exporters, so they can sell for cheaper - to combat the increased landing price from its customers.
Taiwan has some economy emergency fund, that will probably be used to help exporters.

back to imports
many countries does waive tariffs on imports frequency that is low and imported by postal office.
regulars, or using proper freight companies would need to declare correctly and that is where things get expensive.

I have a TT shop in South Africa

Clothing for example holds a 40% tariff. and then 15% VAT, then a 10% on top

so if I buy for 10 dollar, it automatically inflates to 17.71 dollar before I even add on shipping and profit.
guess who makes more profit than me and my supplier?

 

[JJ Ng]

In over 7-8 years of ordering TT equipment abroad, last year, I did get hit with tariffs once.

In 2024, my package got stopped at the US custom. Since FedEx is the delivering service, they paid for the tariff and then sent me an invoice. I did not realize that was the case (with everything digital now, I just did not bother opening the FedEx invoice mail for a couple months). I ended up paying FedEx a couple months later to resolve the issue.

The issue is the concept of de minimis. For many years, packages under $800 have been deemed not worth going after tariffs for. The concept is that going through these small packages will cost more money on US government labor, more than off setting the small amount of tariffs income it generates.

My impression is that de minimis rule will end on 5/1/2025 and even small packages will be taxed from 5/2/2025 onward regardless if the package is coming in from Estonia, Japan or China. That will be a big deal. I have a suspicion that some sort of de minimis rule will get passed. I cannot imagine US customs opening every single package below $800 and try to collect the tariffs.

 

[Jslick89]

well
what you said is correct (that tariffs is for imports and not exports).

but some countries will provide financial support to exporters, so they can sell for cheaper - to combat the increased landing price from its customers.
Taiwan has some economy emergency fund, that will probably be used to help exporters.

back to imports
many countries does waive tariffs on imports frequency that is low and imported by postal office.
regulars, or using proper freight companies would need to declare correctly and that is where things get expensive.

I have a TT shop in South Africa

Clothing for example holds a 40% tariff. and then 15% VAT, then a 10% on top

so if I buy for 10 dollar, it automatically inflates to 17.71 dollar before I even add on shipping and profit.
guess who makes more profit than me and my supplier?

It should be a crime that the government gets to take a higher margin than the person running the business and taking the actual risk.

In over 7-8 years of ordering TT equipment abroad, last year, I did get hit with tariffs once.

In 2024, my package got stopped at the US custom. Since FedEx is the delivering service, they paid for the tariff and then sent me an invoice. I did not realize that was the case (with everything digital now, I just did not bother opening the FedEx invoice mail for a couple months). I ended up paying FedEx a couple months later to resolve the issue.

The issue is the concept of de minimis. For many years, packages under $800 have been deemed not worth going after tariffs for. The concept is that going through these small packages will cost more money on US government labor, more than off setting the small amount of tariffs income it generates.

My impression is that de minimis rule will end on 5/1/2025 and even small packages will be taxed from 5/2/2025 onward regardless if the package is coming in from Estonia, Japan or China. That will be a big deal. I have a suspicion that some sort of de minimis rule will get passed. I cannot imagine US customs opening every single package below $800 and try to collect the tariffs.

How much did fedex invoie you for? That's the main thing i'm worried about. i made my last orders on aliexpres for now. they should all clear customs before the trariffs are supposedly going into effect. after that, i'm going to have to wait it out to see what kind of reconciliation the USA and china can make.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It should be a crime that the government gets to take a higher margin than the person running the business and taking the actual risk.

Well, think about all the taxes that is out there.
things don't come for free, someone is paying for everything, including you and me

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

In over 7-8 years of ordering TT equipment abroad, last year, I did get hit with tariffs once.

In 2024, my package got stopped at the US custom. Since FedEx is the delivering service, they paid for the tariff and then sent me an invoice. I did not realize that was the case (with everything digital now, I just did not bother opening the FedEx invoice mail for a couple months). I ended up paying FedEx a couple months later to resolve the issue.

The issue is the concept of de minimis. For many years, packages under $800 have been deemed not worth going after tariffs for. The concept is that going through these small packages will cost more money on US government labor, more than off setting the small amount of tariffs income it generates.

My impression is that de minimis rule will end on 5/1/2025 and even small packages will be taxed from 5/2/2025 onward regardless if the package is coming in from Estonia, Japan or China. That will be a big deal. I have a suspicion that some sort of de minimis rule will get passed. I cannot imagine US customs opening every single package below $800 and try to collect the tariffs.

I'm not sure about how US works, but declaring it is one thing.
Inspecting it is another.
It should be the same world wide.

By law, you need to declare it and maybe smaller parcels, everyone knows Customs won't check, so they cheat the system. But it doesn't mean that is correct or legal.

If you declare too little and Customs inspects the parcel and determine there is undervaluing involved, then you could face penalties/fines and what ever repercussions.

Companies like Fedex + Customs make the responsibility yours (the recipient) to declare things correctly.
The sender will send the invoice, and they will do declaring based on that. If the invoice is wrong, you as the recipient declaring for the goods, needs to make corrections before the declaration.

So this is a catch 22 on imports.
maybe some countries are softer than others, but not paying taxes are mostly illegal in most countries when caught.

 

[suds79]

Ok let us know how it goes

I'd like to 2nd the notion for Jslick89 to let us know how it goes. Getting recent accounts from people how it shook out is all I'm really interested in.

 

[Jslick89]

I'd like to 2nd the notion for Jslick89 to let us know how it goes. Getting recent accounts from people how it shook out is all I'm really interested in.

sure man! i ordered on the 12th and it cleared customs 7 days later. i ordered on the 19th, shipped out on the 20th i think this should make it in time to clear customs before the tariffs go into effect. the real interesting stuff is going to be what happens after May 2nd lol. for now ive made my last order, and i have enough rubbers to last me at least a year. glue too. might run out of booster though lol .

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

sure man! i ordered on the 12th and it cleared customs 7 days later. i ordered on the 19th, shipped out on the 20th i think this should make it in time to clear customs before the tariffs go into effect. the real interesting stuff is going to be what happens after May 2nd lol. for now ive made my last order, and i have enough rubbers to last me at least a year. glue too. might run out of booster though lol .

by then, the tariffs would probably be gone

 

[schrodingerskoalabear]

sure man! i ordered on the 12th and it cleared customs 7 days later. i ordered on the 19th, shipped out on the 20th i think this should make it in time to clear customs before the tariffs go into effect. the real interesting stuff is going to be what happens after May 2nd lol. for now ive made my last order, and i have enough rubbers to last me at least a year. glue too. might run out of booster though lol .

I ordered a H3Neo and a couple of other things on the 15th and I just received it today. Fastest I have gotten anything from AliEx

My next order (in cart) shows a delivery window between 29th April - May 2nd so I am not going to risk anything extra, until there is clarity in law/application

 

[kindof99]

In over 7-8 years of ordering TT equipment abroad, last year, I did get hit with tariffs once.

In 2024, my package got stopped at the US custom. Since FedEx is the delivering service, they paid for the tariff and then sent me an invoice. I did not realize that was the case (with everything digital now, I just did not bother opening the FedEx invoice mail for a couple months). I ended up paying FedEx a couple months later to resolve the issue.

The issue is the concept of de minimis. For many years, packages under $800 have been deemed not worth going after tariffs for. The concept is that going through these small packages will cost more money on US government labor, more than off setting the small amount of tariffs income it generates.

My impression is that de minimis rule will end on 5/1/2025 and even small packages will be taxed from 5/2/2025 onward regardless if the package is coming in from Estonia, Japan or China. That will be a big deal. I have a suspicion that some sort of de minimis rule will get passed. I cannot imagine US customs opening every single package below $800 and try to collect the tariffs.

I think the under 800 de minimis rule ends only for China. Estonia and Japan have it.

 

[Colestt]

Prices on AliExpress still seem normal. Do tariffs not apply to them?

So far I haven't paid any. Maybe as the 2nd approaches if there's no change in policy.

I've heard some shipping companies in China aren't sailing to the US. If you think about over 100% tariffs realistically, the ports would probably back up quickly with forfeited goods

 

[kindof99]

As of today, Aliexpress prices everything including the import tax.

 

[kindof99]

How about items from Japan and Europe? did anyone buy anything from Japan or tabletennis11 recently?

 

[PoppaChubby]

Maaan.... this Mister Orange thing is making everyone crazy in the US. As a musician I frequently watch pro musicians vlogs on Youtube, and lately many american pros have made rants telling "it will kill the whole music industry !!!"

So I've commented "hmmm sorry sir, don't make american-centrism please: I'm european and everything here will be fine: my amp is italian, my cabinets are from The Netherlands, my instruments are from Spain, Indonesia and Germany. My audio interface is from a japanese brand and is made in China, my compressor pedal is from Denmark too."

I know ... I know... you americans from the USA are being concerned a lot, but the rest of the world is really fine !

 

[PoppaChubby]

I would applaud a worldwide 200% tariff on long pips.

Want to start a war with Indonesia ? beware they've got french Rafale fighter jets now (ITAR free fighter jets !!!)

 

[BlopChock]

Y'all see this on TT11's site?

Dear Friends,

Starting August 29, new regulations and fees for shipping parcels from Europe to the USA will come into effect. This will inevitably increase the total cost of orders, including shipping and customs clearance. Unfortunately, we cannot yet say exactly by how much, but the increase is certain.

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We strongly recommend placing your orders by Monday, August 25, 2025, to save money and avoid these upcoming extra charges.​