Need help receiving a particular serve

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Its funny that I have the exact opposite strategy. My focus is usually on getting the ball back first, then when I understand the serve really well, I go for a quality receive. This is because I have observed that once you put the ball back for opponent's best serves, their mentality takes a lot of damage.

One thing I would like to mention here is that what you call a loop and what someone else call a loop may be different things. There are slow loops, soft loops, and smashes. Depending on the quality of the serve, your understanding of it, the opponents capabilities, your receive varies.

Going with the spin is good for soft loops. My preferred way of safe receives for this serve (long pendulum to mid BH or BH) is similar to a slow backhand flick, (the bottom to top motion usually used by european players) which utilizes mostly sidespin. This will almost always put the ball back, no matter if its top-side, side, or back-side spin. If you're trying to kill this serve, ignoring the sidespin and making a proper topspin shot by contacting the upper part of the ball works better. If you're late, or standing too far back, waiting for the ball to die and going against the spin and making a slow spinny loop is better.

Your receive may also depend somewhat on you equipment and style. Earlier, I used to play with outer carbon and ESN rubbers on BH, so just topspinning everything was more comfortable. Now, that I play with inner carbon and H3 on both sides, I prefer to return backspin on all serves.
 
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Its funny that I have the exact opposite strategy. My focus is usually on getting the ball back first, then when I understand the serve really well, I go for a quality receive. This is because I have observed that once you put the ball back for opponent's best serves, their mentality takes a lot of damage.

One thing I would like to mention here is that what you call a loop and what someone else call a loop may be different things. There are slow loops, soft loops, and smashes. Depending on the quality of the serve, your understanding of it, the opponents capabilities, your receive varies.

Going with the spin is good for soft loops. My preferred way of safe receives for this serve (long pendulum to mid BH or BH) is similar to a slow backhand flick, (the bottom to top motion usually used by european players) which utilizes mostly sidespin. This will almost always put the ball back, no matter if its top-side, side, or back-side spin. If you're trying to kill this serve, ignoring the sidespin and making a proper topspin shot by contacting the upper part of the ball works better. If you're late, or standing too far back, waiting for the ball to die and going against the spin and making a slow spinny loop is better.

Your receive may also depend somewhat on you equipment and style. Earlier, I used to play with outer carbon and ESN rubbers on BH, so just topspinning everything was more comfortable. Now, that I play with inner carbon and H3 on both sides, I prefer to return backspin on all serves.
I agree with most of this if the goal is win a match and if you have time to slowly figure things out. I don't have that time starting as an adult. So I try to do things by the textbook and I'm in a continuous journey to try to find shortcuts.
 
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I agree with most of this if the goal is win a match and if you have time to slowly figure things out. I don't have that time starting as an adult. So I try to do things by the textbook and I'm in a continuous journey to try to find shortcuts.
I started as an adult too and I completely disagree with tbja approach. There are no shortcuts. If you can read spin and have fast hands, you can do just about anything you want to a serve. If you can't read spin, no shortcuts will save you. It's always best to just take your strokes, find a training partner/coach and get them to serve to you over and over again. You can play a basic topspin against most-to-all sidespin serves with zero issue as long as you know whether to treat as backspin or not, you read the energy incoming ball, and you aim towards the middle of the table to counteract the sidespin.
 
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I started as an adult too and I completely disagree with tbja approach. There are no shortcuts. If you can read spin and have fast hands, you can do just about anything you want to a serve. If you can't read spin, no shortcuts will save you. It's always best to just take your strokes, find a training partner/coach and get them to serve to you over and over again. You can play a basic topspin against most-to-all sidespin serves with zero issue as long as you know whether to treat as backspin or not, you read the energy incoming ball, and you aim towards the middle of the table to counteract the sidespin.
I mean did you look everywhere ? You can be sure 100% something exists because you had it yourself but you can't be this assertive in denying things because again , did you try everything ? but maybe it is the defintion of a shortcut ? for me a shortcut is somethying you found because your were looking/searching/thinking/analysing which is a shorter route to the usual let "let me start at 54 years old, play everyone, eventually I will know all the things"
If you do agree on this defintion I'm happy to report that I found many shortcuts , this very thread might actually lead to one.
 
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I know the issue now, you need to approach it a bit like curving the ball around the net, ie you actually have to aim the loop more towards the left otherwise it is gonna go out on the right side. The hard part is making enough room with the legs and body to get a good striking position, when pressured with long fast serves on the elbow. If you rotate your upper body enough, you can make your body face forward and left which allows you the freedom to aim the ball left. Sometimes with fast serves when you step to the right using the right leg you can already create the angle with the leg positioning.

See 15 mins onwards:
This seems to be it, watched the video before the session and played with the very guy who uses these serves but unfortunately he changed the placement after he find out that I'm not as uncomfortable. To be confirmed but thats that. Thanks
 
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