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Hey guys,

came back to TT since a short 25 year break ;)
Decided to invest in a robot to get more reps in because training at the local club are mainly matches.

Any feedback and tips on my form are appreciated!
 

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Very solid foundation,but your legs seem to move unnecessary. Keep them shoulder wide, stay low.
The rest is mostly there. You rotate your upper body, your arm goes towards your head while swinging.
From now its just finetuning and experience. Keep it up!
 
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I don't mind the leg movements, it's a good method to stay sharp on leg position when you play a robot.
What I notice is two things. One, you seem to have your weight on the heels rather than the ball of the foot, making you stand upright to the point of almost leaning backwards.
Two, your elbow angle doesn't change during the swing. You don't need to do that necessarily, but you miss out on spin potential.

As a result your balls look fast but flat. I can't tell for sure but it looks like there's good room for improvement in terms of spin.
 
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Notice how everyone sees different things.

There's a lesson here, too: if you take advice from everyone (this includes YouTube videos) you end up learning stuff that doesn't necessarily apply to your style, preference, learning method, equipment etc.

You are the best person to decide what to focus on.

One solution is limiting the amount of sources of advice. Put your trust in a coach or channel that resonates well with your preference.


Of course, take this advice any way you like, too. Just beware that it could lead to the coaching equivalent of being an EJ (equipment junkie).
 
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Hey guys,

came back to TT since a short 25 year break ;)
Decided to invest in a robot to get more reps in because training at the local club are mainly matches.

Any feedback and tips on my form are appreciated!
For 25 years out, it is a great start. I would second @Tyce 's advice about getting in person coaching though given your local club situation, it might be hard to get. There are a few things I would change, but I am also a specific player with a very specific approach to the game, my focus in look at your stroke would be whether you could get the ball to spin more and travel more slowly with the same form. Hitting the ball one way all the time is something a robot unfortunately encourages and in reality, you have to know how to adapt to different balls and some of that is learned by making the same ball do different things.
 
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This is a pretty intermediate-player feedback so obviously, take it with a large pinch of salt.

There is body rotation and for someone who hasn't played in a while, the foundations are all there. I'll reiterate @job59 's comment. Even though the body rotation is there, it just feels like the arm is tensed and the FH is upper-forearm/shoulder powered.

Honestly, the foundations are all there and just needs a bit more tuning (e.g. improving the movement timing between waist rotation to arm swing)
 
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thanks for all the feedback! Even if there are several opinions, ill surely take the recommendation about my posture(more forward) into practice.

I don't mind the leg movements, it's a good method to stay sharp on leg position when you play a robot.
What I notice is two things. One, you seem to have your weight on the heels rather than the ball of the foot, making you stand upright to the point of almost leaning backwards.
Two, your elbow angle doesn't change during the swing. You don't need to do that necessarily, but you miss out on spin potential.

As a result your balls look fast but flat. I can't tell for sure but it looks like there's good room for improvement in terms of spin.
Yeah, i exactly have the same feeling that im not generating that much spin. Can you explain how changing my elbow angles could help here?
 
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For 25 years out, it is a great start. I would second @Tyce 's advice about getting in person coaching though given your local club situation, it might be hard to get. There are a few things I would change, but I am also a specific player with a very specific approach to the game, my focus in look at your stroke would be whether you could get the ball to spin more and travel more slowly with the same form. Hitting the ball one way all the time is something a robot unfortunately encourages and in reality, you have to know how to adapt to different balls and some of that is learned by making the same ball do different things.
Thanks!
What would be the way to spin the ball more at a slower speed? Seems like im not able to do loops that slow
 
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Thanks!
What would be the way to spin the ball more at a slower speed? Seems like im not able to do loops that slow
More brush, trying to catch the ball before releasing it, and following the shape of the ball with your stroke, especially your whip structure and fingers. You mighr take the ball earlier or later and see what happens. The ball tends to slow down the further you are from thr table which means you have to generate a bit more.

The thing is that you might assume that if you are not putting the ball on the table you are not doing it right. But this is not true at all and it is the general thing that keeps many beginners from learning advanced skills. Advanced skills need a lot of trial and error to get it right and that is where a good coach can be helpful so that he can talk you through your pains and offer real time feedback. Shot selection is a huge part of table tennis for a reason and the more options you have on many balls the better for you. Usually we want to play the highest speed and power option because that usually wins the point in TT. But if you can slow down the ball or put it in precise locations on the table, that can win you points as well or keep you in the point for one more shot.

You can also use self multiball to practice adding spin to the ball in isolation. Just spin the ball out of your hand or with a small toss and try loop it on the table or hook it etc. Or if the ball spin control is too hard with thr robot, put targets on the table and use your stroke to aim for them. The main point is not to let the robot repeating the same ball always leave you repeating the same stroke. You have to practice adaptation when learning TT or the gap between matches and practice will be too large.
 
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thanks for all the feedback! Even if there are several opinions, ill surely take the recommendation about my posture(more forward) into practice.


Yeah, i exactly have the same feeling that im not generating that much spin. Can you explain how changing my elbow angles could help here?
Why yes I can! And I'll continue on what was said above about brushing.

Brought down to the essence, to generate spin, you DON'T want to hit the ball.
...what? Yeah. Do not hit the ball. This is table tennis, not baseball. You want to be aiming not for a direct impact, but for optimal use of the rubber to generate the ball's speed and spin.

To imagine this, you can use your hands. Your playing hand is the rubber, your off-hand is the ball.

Clap your playing hand to the ball-hand, like you would normally clap. You feel the force is directed in line with the stroke, the impact goes through the ball hand. You feel pretty much zero friction on your "ball" so the amount of spin generated is nearly nothing.

Next, angle your playing hand 45 degrees like you want to play a topspin stroke. Angle the ball hand too so you can feel the result. Keep the direction of your stroke the same.
You will feel some pull, some friction, on the ball hand at impact. Not loads, but it's clearly there. This is where I imagine your video's spin generation to be at: you do the angle, but the impact is still direct, you hit the ball.

Third, keep that angle at 45 degrees but change your stroke. Play around with it, but you're looking for the stroke where you feel serious friction on the ball hand. The sense of direct impact needs to be in the background. You'll find you need a bit more of an upward motion, somewhere in the middle between that direct impact and having no impact at all.


With that little theoretical exercise out of the way, moving on to the elbow:

To maximize the potential for friction, and thus spin, you want to contact the ball with as much racket speed as possible. One part of this kinetic chain is the whippy motion you make when you contract your elbow while moving your arm. You don't have to overdo this, just start your motion with a little straighter arm and end it a little bit more bent. Take small steps in this process if this feels completely weird, new or unknown to you.

Other parts of this chain include body movement and wrist motion, but your "stiff" elbow stood out to me. In general, it's good practice to learn to play loose, relaxed, in order to maximize the amount of whip you can generate with only little bits of energy. Not only for efficiency, but in fact to generate maximum spin. Only on the point of contact do you tighten up the grip, so you can transfer that energy to the ball.
 
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In this video, you have shown good power & spin. However, this is due the fact you have plenty of time to prep your next shot.
Now, up the ante and increase the speed by 50% then double up.
Why?
In real match, the ball comes back much faster; much much faster. Wanna see it under stress test.
 
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