Butterfly Dignics 64 alternative.

[TT Lover]

Good day to all TTD members.

Looking for Butterfly Dignics 64 alternative.

Thank you in advance for all kindly recommend and sharing experience.

Thank you sir.
Best regards,

 

[Angerer]

Given Dignics' solid durability, are you sure about switching the rubber? In the best case scenario, you will get a rubber that is close to D64 but lasts less, thus doesn't save you money

 

[Julzig]

You could try Nexy Etika, but it is more like T64. So expect a less grippy topsheet than D64 and slightly less performance. Although it will last you a hell of of long time aswell

 

[Zwill]

Maybe Victas v15 extra. It's a bit like T64 too. Mantra pro m is also a good choice. I haven't tried it for much but gewo nexus 48 xt. XT is the faster less spiny version, EL is more like T05.

Im not sure of Mizuno Q3 still exists or not, I think that was the fastest one.

 

[Julzig]

Maybe Victas v15 extra. It's a bit like T64 too. Mantra pro m is also a good choice. I haven't tried it for much but gewo nexus 48 xt. XT is the faster less spiny version, EL is more like T05.

Im not sure of Mizuno Q3 still exists or not, I think that was the fastest one.

Yeah Q3 is the speedy one and can be rarely found in some japanese shops. Not a long term solution.
I guess Mantra Pro M (or even H if you want the sponge in a similar hardness to Dignics) can be found for the lowest price out of these on AliExpress

 

[ZFT]

From reading user reviews and testing a fair few rubbers my list would be:

Daiki:
Mantra Pro H
Hammond Z2

ESN:
Rakza 9
Quantum X Pro

Still there is no direct like for like replacement for D64 between its durability, light weight to sponge hardness ratio and low spin sensitivity (while still able to grip and spin the ball decently).

The closest would be a heavily boosted Glayzer but I would think it’ll be abit too soft and high trajectory vs your stock standard D64 out of the packet.

If you use D64 for block and punch on the BH with standard shape, you could take a risk of adopting Cybershape with koto and the list above will fit better, but big assumption on my end, I’ve never seen someone use D64 on the FH even TPH, though I’m sure there may be some.

 

[Der_Echte]

How about a new sheet of D64?

I mean, you gotta replace it at some point ??

I know purchasing a new sheet of Diginiski is akin to pawning off one of your kidneys, but isn't the shape of BTY wing look like a kidney?

Where is Greg Letts ?

 

[Zwill]

Oh I forgot, Vega Asia which is a T64 clone.

I wonder why no one uses Bryce Highspeed? I can't imagine it to be so bad. In fact why aren't more people using D64. I think D64 is pretty solid, I could imagine myself using it on FH side since it would be great for 3rd ball smashkills. Penhold players should love D64 yet no one plays it.

 

[Julzig]

Oh I forgot, Vega Asia which is a T64 clone.

I wonder why no one uses Bryce Highspeed? I can't imagine it to be so bad. In fact why aren't more people using D64. I think D64 is pretty solid, I could imagine myself using it on FH side since it would be great for 3rd ball smashkills. Penhold players should love D64 yet no one plays it.

I plan on buying a couple dignics rubbers in Japan soon and naturally I should go with the D64 with my current equip/style. But I do think a bit more safety and a higher arc can't be to bad.
Especially if you keep the price in mind. I fear to waste all that money.
Thats why I thought of getting D80 rather than D64. (And D05, D09c so I have tried them atleast once)
Maybe others think so too or similarly.

 

[Zwill]

You know, I'm quite unsure now. I mean Dignics 64 acc to butterfly has higher spin than T05, does it have a higher arc? Maybe (or maybe not)? It has more grip so the more grip does warrant more ball manipulation on the player side. That's why I prefer Dignics and Glayzer over Tenergy.

I'm super considering D64 on FH side, since for dure D64 has a more flat trajectory but it's faster too so the ball is over the net faster so doesn't really need that much high arc.
In fact this is a reason I like chinese rubbers since they have the grip and they don't really create much arc unless you make em, you can play really flat trajectories with them agains backspin balls.

 

[Julzig]

You know, I'm quite unsure now. I mean Dignics 64 acc to butterfly has higher spin than T05, does it have a higher arc? Maybe (or maybe not)? It has more grip so the more grip does warrant more ball manipulation on the player side. That's why I prefer Dignics and Glayzer over Tenergy.

I'm super considering D64 on FH side, since for dure D64 has a more flat trajectory but it's faster too so the ball is over the net faster so doesn't really need that much high arc.
In fact this is a reason I like chinese rubbers since they have the grip and they don't really create much arc unless you make em, you can play really flat trajectories with them agains backspin balls.

If you try it please let us know. Now I am curious aswell.
On their website D64 is higher rated in all aspects speed, spin, arc than T05

 

[ZFT]

D64 seems like a rubber best suited for FH when you’re clearly stronger than your opponent. Its naturally lower arc encourages an aggressive playing style, pushing you to extend your opening loop into loop driving, with longer follow through and all.

I think, facing players of similar or higher level, you’ll need the safety and consistency of a higher throwing and/or spinnier rubber + playing within a more compact and rally centric structure with the plastic ball.

Speed is easier to redirect compared to spin.

H3 as a lower throwing rubber holds up better due to its best in class spin and trajectory of diving down extremely fast off the table.

Now a close to the table counter attacker? Something like a converted SP hitter using D64 on FH (a converted Falck)? I could see this somewhat working to a certain level.

Spin is king with this plastic ball.

 

[Zwill]

I really wish BTY did a Glayzer64. I see the issue with D64, it costs the same as D05 and D09c and if most people fork out the 520rmb or 80EUR whatever for a Dignics they will pick D05 or D09c. I bet even D80 suffers just because most pros play D05 or D09c. For 200-220rmb I think more would at least try a G64 and maybe they would like it.

 

[ZFT]

I suspect this could be where Zeed fits in under Zyre in their product range.