I want opinions on my chances of pro

[Dimitri]

Putting in as many hours possible training and with excellent coaching will get you as close as possible to your maximum potential. Whether your maximum potential is good enough to mix it with the world's top pros is a question only your coaches can answer. Good luck young man.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Putting in as many hours possible training and with excellent coaching will get you as close as possible to your maximum potential. Whether your maximum potential is good enough to mix it with the world's top pros is a question only your coaches can answer. Good luck young man.

spot on

training only gets you so far (soon the kid will realize you will always look pretty in training).

next will be match experience and then the rude awakening that you will loose, you will fail, and then how to get back up.
winning as a U13 is always so much easier, the challenge isn't at U15, but rather U17/U19 when the distance gets pulled apart - separating junior levels to the senior levels.
Then it will come to fatigue, and doing the same thing every week for the next few years. It will get bored,

The physical, psychological and strategical aspect of the game has yet to come and some kids will just struggle with 1 or 2 or all 3 aspect of the game. I guess kid being in USA will have 10 times less pressure than the kids in Asia, so a bit less harsh on the psychological side of things.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

not very familiar with the US rating system but it seems deceptive to me.

spot on

training only gets you so far (soon the kid will realize you will always look pretty in training).

next will be match experience and then the rude awakening that you will loose, you will fail, and then how to get back up.
winning as a U13 is always so much easier, the challenge isn't at U15, but rather U17/U19 when the distance gets pulled apart - separating junior levels to the senior levels.
Then it will come to fatigue, and doing the same thing every week for the next few years. It will get bored,

The physical, psychological and strategical aspect of the game has yet to come and some kids will just struggle with 1 or 2 or all 3 aspect of the game. I guess kid being in USA will have 10 times less pressure than the kids in Asia, so a bit less harsh on the psychological side of things.

hes got only 1year of easy 1-way progress. Its great because its quickness is a sign of talent. Hard to tell where the ceiling is though it’s wayyy too early.

I’ve seen the video and it’s really good for someone who’s been only playing for a year. But I’ve been playing for decades and seen plenty of kids much better at that age and no one did become a professional. Many quit TT in their teens because they find new interests.

Actually one girl ended up playing at team world champs for Algeria iirc which she can be proud about but in terms of TTR ratings it wasn’t very high I believe …

Its at the first real hurdle when come some defeats or (temporary) stagnation that one sees true character, not when everything is rosy. Learning curve becomes concave sooner or later.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

not very familiar with the US rating system but it seems deceptive to me.

hes got only 1year of easy 1-way progress.

Its at the first real hurdle when come some defeats or (temporary) stagnation that one sees true character, not when everything is rosy. Learning curve becomes concave sooner or later

yes
we haven't even talk about pains or even injuries for young kids to carry on the chin and to continue without resting or taking a break.
every player that has hit a high level would have had (many) serious broken blisters and continuing training and playing. both in the hand and/or feet.

The only solution to blisters is to have so many of it, that it stops growing. I actually think this part, most amateur will probably not have resemblance with.

so the test of "true character", is still far away.
he said I "will see". Well, I have been seeing these test of character for many years.

 

[piligrim]

I like to watch Hugo Calderano. My weakness is in my serve returns and I am working to get that better. Right now my coach says the things that will easily get me over 2000 is my serve returns and my footwork. He told me I was not returning the serves of the 2130 and the 2040 that I lost 3-2 in very well, he told me if I had received both of their long fast side underspin serves well I would have easily beaten them and I would be over 2100

Did you buy HAL already?

 

[Dr Evil]

...hes got only 1year of easy 1-way progress. Its great because its quickness is a sign of talent. Hard to tell where the ceiling is though it’s wayyy too early... Learning curve becomes concave sooner or later.

As you suggest, it's the shape and trajectory of his learning curve that will let him look into the future a little more clearly. I think he's got a reasonable goal (1800 to 2400 in the next 3 years) for someone who wants to make it to pro level. Every step up the ladder gets harder, so he'll probably have to make at least half that progress in the next year.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

As you suggest, it's the shape and trajectory of his learning curve that will let him look into the future a little more clearly. I think he's got a reasonable goal (1800 to 2400 in the next 3 years) for someone who wants to make it to pro level. Every step up the ladder gets harder, so he'll probably have to make at least half that progress in the next year.

As someone said earlier, if his goal is 2400+ in the next 3 years (by age 15), he really should be at 2100 or 2200 now. If he's not there in the next year when he's 13, the chances of hitting that goal by 15 become near zero.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

In his short video I really liked some of his BH flicks. Very impressive. Rally was very good too . But serve / receive looked weak even for 1850 level IMO.
Serves bounced quite high and lacked quality imo. Ofc with practice it can be fixed quickly

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

In his short video I really liked some of his BH flicks. Very impressive. Rally was very good too . But serve / receive looked weak even for 1850 level IMO.
Serves bounced quite high and lacked quality imo. Ofc with practice it can be fixed quickly

the video is too short (and also not much spin).
i never like edited "good" footage.
I always look at the full match video.
maybe 1 good rally, and then 5 bad, you never know right.

just like when we study an opponent, we don't look at the ones they loose, we will look at the ones when the opponent beats "up" (and not down).

 

[KTableTennis]

This is a video of my coach playing when he was visiting Germany

 

[ThePongCommenter]

This is a video of my coach playing when he was visiting Germany

What about it?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

What about it?

there isn't much to talk about
his coach is good for amateurs, and that is about it.

his coach is 2400 usatt as you mentioned, or 2000 ttr from what I can see.
plays 6th division in Germany, kindof in the same range as hu heming (hu should be a weaker player)
I have a bunch of 15 year old kids that can beat both of them.
USA no 1 U15 player can probably beat his coach and hu too, right?

 

[KTableTennis]

there isn't much to talk about
his coach is good for amateurs, and that is about it.

his coach is 2400 usatt as you mentioned, or 2000 ttr from what I can see.
plays 6th division in Germany, kindof in the same range as hu heming (hu should be a weaker player)
I have a bunch of 15 year old kids that can beat both of them.
USA no 1 U15 player can probably beat his coach and hu too, right?

No my coach beat number one 15 year old a few times once a few months ago. If you look at his usatt rating there is a spot where he didn’t play a tournament for two years. One of those years he was training in Germany full time because he graduated high school when he was 16 so he took a gap year to train in Germany where he was beating players who were 2600+ then he went to collage and didn’t play at all, that’s why his rating didn’t go up

 

[KTableTennis]

No my coach beat number one 15 year old a few times once a few months ago. If you look at his usatt rating there is a spot where he didn’t play a tournament for two years. One of those years he was training in Germany full time because he graduated high school when he was 16 so he took a gap year to train in Germany where he was beating players who were 2600+ then he went to collage and didn’t play at all, that’s why his rating didn’t go up

And he beat him with no training at all, he just walked in to the tournament with no training for many many years and just beat the number 1 15 year old

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

No my coach beat number one 15 year old a few times once a few months ago. If you look at his usatt rating there is a spot where he didn’t play a tournament for two years. One of those years he was training in Germany full time because he graduated high school when he was 16 so he took a gap year to train in Germany where he was beating players who were 2600+ then he went to collage and didn’t play at all, that’s why his rating didn’t go up

I have your coaches results from Germany 6th division.
to help you and your coach with something to stand on, I won't comment further.

If you are looking at Pro route, then you should be speaking to Pros.
I manage pros for a living now.

 

[Zezima]

Idk what has been said here maybe I will be repeating someone else but I will keep it short.

Don't take advice from anyone who hasn't worked with an athlete that you aim to be or he himself achieved.

And in return try to get connections to those people or people around them that you aim for.

That will cost a lot of money yes and also travelling and keeping your education up. What I mean by that is that its a lot for a young aspiring kid.

So just work on getting those connections and they will help you guide to the right path I believe.

Don't forget to have fun and worry too much about the rating aswell but that has been said many times already.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

If you look at his usatt rating there is a spot where he didn’t play a tournament for two years. One of those years he was training in Germany full time because he graduated high school when he was 16 so he took a gap year to train in Germany where he was beating players who were 2600+ then he went to collage and didn’t play at all, that’s why his rating didn’t go up

He was 2350 in 2006 and then when he returned in 2008 continued to play around a 2350 to 2400 level for the next 17 years until now in 2025.

One does not improve from 2350 to 2600+ within less than a two year span and then suddenly go to college and quit and then come back and fall down to a 2400 level after being 2600+ all within two years. That is just impossible. And, if he was around college age when this all happened, he would not have been consistently 2400 for the next 17 years. That 2600+ level would have come back at some point in the next 17 years.

So no, this didn't happen. I have a lot of experience with players of this level and beyond and I can guarantee you none of that makes sense or is possible. No way.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

No my coach beat number one 15 year old a few times once a few months ago. And he beat him with no training at all, he just walked in to the tournament with no training for many many years and just beat the number 1 15 year old

Again, this did not happen. Not even close. You know that USATT tournament records are public information right?

He did in fact play the current #1 U15 boy in the country, and he lost 3-0 (11-6, 11-8, 11-3). According to the tournament record you were also at this tournament. Looks like you played well there by the way, congratulations. But where is this story about walking in with no training for many years and beating that junior coming from?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I have your coaches results from Germany 6th division.
to help you and help keep something to stand on, I won't comment further.

If you are looking at Pro route, then you should be speaking to Pros.
I manage pros for a living now.

We also have his coach's results from USA tournaments and false stories about top juniors his coach beat that he actually lost to 0-3. Yikes...

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

We also have his coach's results from USA tournaments and false stories about top juniors his coach beat that he actually lost to 0-3. Yikes...

yep,
the deeper we dig, the less credibility of the word "pro" we have.
same whatsapp group as hu - which is a mere 6th division player at best.

btw, that video the kid shared, is from a training center that I use for my Koreans and Taiwanese players when near Munich, so I know the center well, and I know the head coach very well.