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Idk, I’m really confused
Well, what are you confused about? What made you think he won those matches against top juniors "while coming in with no practice for many years"? Did he tell you that he did? Did someone else tell you that he did? Perhaps the scores were entered wrong? Unlikely on the last option...
 
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hey how’s the training going?
has the topic changed your opinion about “pro” / “top 50” goals yet?

tell us what you are thinking - hopefully we can help you further
My goal is still the same, my training is going very well!
 
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This is most likely correct


I wouldn't say 0 to 1800 in a year is easy, that would be a discredit to KTTs progress so far. But it has definitely been done before by many people, many of who didn't end up 2500, or top 50 in the world. And it is MUCH easier to go from 0 to 1800 in a year than it is to go from 1800 to 2500, in any amount of time.

He can look at his coach as an example, he has been 2400 for over 20 years despite still being very active in tournaments.

That is just the truth even if its not what he wants to hear.
Speaking on this, looking at Bosman Botha from 888, whose parents have all the money in the world to give him training with some of the best coaches and players in the world. And yet, he also went from 0 to 1700-1800 in about a year. And now, 6 years later, even after endless training with top coaches and players and having a national center built around him, he is still stuck around 2200. It really goes to show how getting to 1800 quickly doesn't really mean that much for the future.
 
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Speaking on this, looking at Bosman Botha from 888, whose parents have all the money in the world to give him training with some of the best coaches and players in the world. And yet, he also went from 0 to 1700-1800 in about a year. And now, 6 years later, even after endless training with top coaches and players and having a national center built around him, he is still stuck around 2200. It really goes to show how getting to 1800 quickly doesn't really mean that much for the future.
you will see (i'm going to embed this into my videos, like Adam's what happened guy)

this kid has it all figured out, and he is way more dedicated and hard working than Bosman.
I mean, his 2400 coach can beat all of Bosman's coaches right?
 
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One thing that can just cap a players potential is vision problems. Under 2200 or maybe 2400 a player can control things to such an extent, they can predict where the ball is going. These problems can be dealt with and to some extent ignored. The higher the rating the more unexpected things happen and the player has to find the ball with their eyes, formulate a plan and act accordingly. This is where the vision problems will rear their ugly head.

Some people have horrible depth perception which makes finding the ball difficult.
Some people eyes will overshoot the target when searching for it, then go back to the target. This makes telling where to put the racket or how to move a nightmare. If you have this eye problem, there is nothing you can do to fix the problem.
Some people have a massive issue dealing with table glare and the type of lighting will impact their performance.

When watching that Yu Kayama video, when the ball does something unexpected he just returns it so smoothly. If you have a vision issue, you probably will look like a spaz trying to find the ball and not even contact the ball correctly. There is a technique people can research called "Quite Eye" which will help if you have any of these three issues but that will only take someone so far unfortunately.
 
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One thing that can just cap a players potential is vision problems. Under 2200 or maybe 2400 a player can control things to such an extent, they can predict where the ball is going. These problems can be dealt with and to some extent ignored. The higher the rating the more unexpected things happen and the player has to find the ball with their eyes, formulate a plan and act accordingly. This is where the vision problems will rear their ugly head.

Some people have horrible depth perception which makes finding the ball difficult.
Some people eyes will overshoot the target when searching for it, then go back to the target. This makes telling where to put the racket or how to move a nightmare. If you have this eye problem, there is nothing you can do to fix the problem.
Some people have a massive issue dealing with table glare and the type of lighting will impact their performance.

When watching that Yu Kayama video, when the ball does something unexpected he just returns it so smoothly. If you have a vision issue, you probably will look like a spaz trying to find the ball and not even contact the ball correctly. There is a technique people can research called "Quite Eye" which will help if you have any of these three issues but that will only take someone so far unfortunately.
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vision, or what we call, decision making - which incorporates vision and the actual strategy and decision making is all together. Some just don't have the brain or the ability to have such vision - no matter how hard you train, or what coach you hire.

The next is the execution ability.

overall, we have so many kids that start grade 3 ~ 4, which is 10 years old, and get to a cap of 2400 level at 18 years old.
it is naive to think that if you just continue training you could go from 2400 to 2450 or 2500 at 18~20 years old. It becomes tougher when your older, since growth at that level slows down when you so "old" already, and there is then also another factor bought into play - you are no longer a kid, and you need to start thinking about your future - and possibly friends and relationships - something that table tennis full time kids had to sacrifice in Asia for they entire school life. This is also the same with some USA kids, leaving the sports at university age, despite making Olympics, or national team, because they know the ceiling is there.

while I was chatting to some other forum member privately, I said, it is good for kids to have a dream, have the desire, but the problem comes when the kid thinks he is too good, too naive, and especially if in his or her training group - there is no stronger kid, the growth will slow down a lot.
It is so important to place yourself into uncomfortable situations where your peers are stronger than you, as that will push you further. Otherwise, you just end up having the edited version video - of every point I win, and I'm perfect mentally.

This is also why China is so strong, because they have an up or out system. Every 2 or 3 years, you need to be moving up, or you move out, from when you start at 7, by 10 you need to be moving up, by 12 or 13 you need to move to the next tier, and the same at 15 and 18. Forever, you become no longer number 1, and need to restart and take on stronger peers in your training group and to exceed them to stand out.

I also wanted to make a video talking about development and growth.
this kids flaw is clearly visible, and at his young age, his flaws won't be punished.
The moment when he turns 15 or 16, when it becomes a totally different ball game, his flaws will be exploited.
I have seen this with U12 or U13 national players that is too arrogant in there minds, due to early success, and not taking fixing flaws seriously, and come U15, they are no longer in the radar.
 
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and this is what 2400 USATT looks like.
one of my players, training with Dina at the Egyptian national table tennis training center yesterday.

drill, attacking only attacks to the opponents one corner, while blocker can put any where.


 
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One thing that can just cap a players potential is vision problems. Under 2200 or maybe 2400 a player can control things to such an extent, they can predict where the ball is going. These problems can be dealt with and to some extent ignored. The higher the rating the more unexpected things happen and the player has to find the ball with their eyes, formulate a plan and act accordingly. This is where the vision problems will rear their ugly head.

Some people have horrible depth perception which makes finding the ball difficult.
Some people eyes will overshoot the target when searching for it, then go back to the target. This makes telling where to put the racket or how to move a nightmare. If you have this eye problem, there is nothing you can do to fix the problem.
Some people have a massive issue dealing with table glare and the type of lighting will impact their performance.

When watching that Yu Kayama video, when the ball does something unexpected he just returns it so smoothly. If you have a vision issue, you probably will look like a spaz trying to find the ball and not even contact the ball correctly. There is a technique people can research called "Quite Eye" which will help if you have any of these three issues but that will only take someone so far unfortunately.
The mental and visual part of TT is highly underestimated because it isnt as easy to see or understand. But I suspect it is probably more important than many of the obvious things. In the end, we usually just let the results speak but I wouldn't be surprised if we measured things like vision quality and found that better players had 20-10 vision etc. Some of this shows up in golf and baseball.
 
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Speaking on this, looking at Bosman Botha from 888, whose parents have all the money in the world to give him training with some of the best coaches and players in the world. And yet, he also went from 0 to 1700-1800 in about a year. And now, 6 years later, even after endless training with top coaches and players and having a national center built around him, he is still stuck around 2200. It really goes to show how getting to 1800 quickly doesn't really mean that much for the future.
Something like this happens even at the world class level. Players who are part time as juniors and have stellar junior results wonder why they dont show massive gains when they become full time players as adults. There should be a table tennis essay on "What is not seen" so some of the naive views of TT improvement can be referred to a good article.
 
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Heh. Yes, no doubt that vision plays a key role in quality hand-eye coordination, depth perception, and tracking - and especially so in our spinny, speedy sport of choice.

Curious what the Lebrun brothers' is measured at, both with and without glasses.

Does anyone here know what brand(s) of frames they wear? They seem to spend little to no time fiddling with them, so fit/tension must be good.
 
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Curious what the Lebrun brothers' is measured at, both with and without glasses.

Does anyone here know what brand(s) of frames they wear? They seem to spend little to no time fiddling with them, so fit/tension must be good.

Noticed during Felix's match vs JWJ that his shirt has Optic 2000 on it.


Checked out their site, and though I don't parlez Francaise, it doesn't appear they name the brand (among the many they sell) that the brothers wear.
 
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Wonder if @KTableTennis will even bother to chime in on any of this discussion anymore lol
probably not lol. at least not contributing anything. This thread is all one big proof that we are destined to be hobby players forever hahaha. My goal is to be number one at my club. and my club is not very good. still ambitious for me as a hobby player.
 
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This thread is all one big proof that we are destined to be hobby players forever hahaha. My goal is to be number one at my club. and my club is not very good. still ambitious for me as a hobby player.
I think the kid is just way too young and uninformed on the reality of pro sports.
you can't take one of two boxers, and assume that is a 100% success rate.
while boxing you may have 2 late boomers, but how many thousands or 10s of thousands failures?

In table tennis, the ratio is even worse.
For any coach that is in the pro circuit - they will all agree (and this I'm happy to bet my collection of players clothing), that table tennis has too much focus on the technicality, the details, the mental part and it is the most complicated sport in the world to master and without starting young, it is just impossible to catch up.

and for the club players, after chatting to so many TTD members.
I think you guys just need minor tweaks, here and there, and have some quality training on working on those tweaks, and you all can become better players.
 
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probably not lol. at least not contributing anything. This thread is all one big proof that we are destined to be hobby players forever hahaha. My goal is to be number one at my club. and my club is not very good. still ambitious for me as a hobby player.
Well it was proof of what you need to do and when you need to start. For KTT he can only control one of those two things and maybe he could still get to a top amateur to low pro level (2400-2500) but I haven't seen many posts from him reflecting on the information provided and giving a more realistic goal. And the biggest issue now seems to be that he has some delusions about his coach's playing and coaching level and experience which he hasn't been able to explain or defend. With that issue unresolved, even a more modest goal will start to become impossible soon.
 
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