WTT Champions Japan 2025 - 7-11 Aug 2025

[NextLevel]

That's fine.. But my question isn't about Hina's situation specifically. It's a general question: Are you allowed to be coached during a medical timeout?

Yes but the Hayata situation was about no coaches but then access to a trainer who happens to be your coach.

Chat GPT is or LLMs are cool to ask but no one prevents you from speaking to other people during those periods, so you can't tell what a person is doing once they are around

 

[FIXPOINT]

WTT Champions Yokohama 2025 WS Final

WTT Champions Yokohama 2025 MS Final

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

That's fine.. But my question isn't about Hina's situation specifically. It's a general question: Are you allowed to be coached during a medical timeout?

since you are allowed to be coaches any time, except for rallies.
yes, you are allowed to be coached.

that is why I said, was that a nominated coach, or just a spectator getting into restricted area

 

[Janard]

Lol, I thought this one netizen did an amusing summary of the key factors motivating Tomo's win:

1) Kakeru Sone - for responding to Tomo's rants about T-league recently and taunting him, bringing out "global top player" mode
2) Hayata Hina - for inadvertently making Miwa sob, bringing out "brocon" (short for "brother complex") or "aniki" mode
3) Wang Hao - for the many dismissive handshakes over the years, bringing out "CNT is not unbeatable" mode

Right place, right time. Pleasantries is clearly not the right strategy.

 

[backspacer]

Tomo finally worthy of the Super ALC.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Even if so, this method of exploiting the loophole even if technically correct/legal is still the issue worth discussing. People make it sound as if it was all about timeout not about the ability of Hayata to talk to her cosch during the timeout even if accidentally.

medical timeout "loophole" does get used, but not often.
as I said, what is worse is the toiletgate saga - this is new and a bigger loophole.

in medical timeout, expert opinion is involved.
in toiletgate.... no expert opinion is involved.
and i'm not sure if there is a time limit for toiletgate - for all we know, they can be inside for half an hour or more. lol

but was the coach allowed to be by Hiyata's bench during the medical timeout, we will never know.
From TPE players, if we know we won't place a coach, then we will leave the field blank..... I can't say this is the same for Hayata, but why write down a name of a coach that you know that will never sit there.

 

[piligrim]

probably like those 4 year old kids, the coach need to help

future, we should just have a limit of 1 toilet break per matches, for both players to exploit

in all fairness, match official should be escorting the player to the toilet breaks....

They should play in diapers ))

 

[zeio]

2) Hayata Hina - for inadvertently making Miwa sob, bringing out "brocon" (short for "brother complex") or "aniki" mode

シスコン/Siscon/妹控. Brocon/ブラコン/兄控 is where Miwa steps up for Tomo.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I don't understand how Wang Chuqin can serve illegally and doesn't get faulted. He claims to be the best server, but he's a cheater.

Because he doesn't serve illegally any more than other players except for maybe Harimoto who is probably the most legal server among the top players right now.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

What I respect about Tomo, Felix, Truls and even to a lesser degree the other younger greats like Alexis, Darko, LYJ, AJH is the refusal to believe that everything is set in stone and their willingness to try things that will manifest over a long time to improve their game. Which is partly what disgusts me when people who have never invested significant time in improving past a plateau in TT continually feel the need to denigrate what they are doing without understanding the difficulty of the task even a relatively young age. You will never hear Fan Zhendong have anything but incredible respect for the amount of effort that Harimoto is putting into his game to improve. Same with Wang. It is always the amateurs that say obvious things that betray their ignorance of how hard it is to improve at table tennis. It's okay to point out the obvious issues. Pretending the solutioks are obvious is another story. But anyone who saw Wang play against Felix, Gauzy, Darko etc. could see there was a path, whether one could take it was up to them and their ability.

Obviously this might be a one tournament blip but even playing at the physical level that WCQ plays at leaves you susceptible to losses in form, there is no free lunch.

Blah blah blah, the only reason Harimoto won this match is because he recently changed his Dignics 05 to 09C but with a falsified label, and because after years of doing the same thing he just decided to change his foot stance in the last two months.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I've brought you the thoroughest analysis of today's final.
View attachment 37352

Not as thorough as this

You're not allowed to offer constructive criticism of Harimoto on this forum. He is "best non-Chinese".

You observation is correct. His style is leftover from his junior days, and he hasn't developed a more mature professional style. He relies on getting hot and winning points from long rallies. I recommended years ago that he develop a more mature style, even change his FH rubber if he has to, anything to push him into a more adult style.

But years later, he is still using tension rubber on both sides, still stands square in the middle of the table. Everyone told me he is "best non-Chinese". Everybody said "he is still so young, he will still get better". Years later, the gap has closed between him and rest of world. Players like Hugo Calderano have surpassed him by taking more risk and playing a more adult style. Harimoto now often loses to his own teammates. You can't even really call him best player in his own team. He's more like the first among equals.

 

[NetProphet]

Tired of seeing Tongtong win impressive slug outs against Hayata/Mima/Miwa and then lose to Yidi or KM in the final. Like Girl! Come on! Get this title!!!

Done!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Not as thorough as this

the best coach on TTD has given a very incorrect predicament on HT
I wonder if he will start few threads asking, how did HT beat WCQ
was it because of his rubber change
his blade change
his socks change
etc

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Japanese table tennis columnist, Jota Ito, commentary on Hina / Miwa situation:

Yahoo!ニュース エキスパート オーサー伊藤条太さんのコメント - Yahoo!ニュース

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news.yahoo.co.jp

The fact that treatment was administered by Hayata's physical trainer, Mr. Oka, is within the discretion of the tournament's doctor, and therefore not a problem under the rules. That said, while Mr. Oka is not a table tennis expert, he has recently served as Hayata's bench coach, and it is understandable that Harimoto's doubts could be understood as he could provide tactical advice. Normally, Harimoto would receive advice from his own bench coach during interruptions, so the playing conditions would be equal. However, since this was a match between Japanese players, the absence of either bench coach, as is customary, created a sense of unfairness. I feel that this is an opportunity to consider revising this practice. Regarding the lack of explanation from the umpire, I would like to add that the application of medical timeouts is only communicated by the head umpire; umpires are under no obligation to provide explanations. At international tournaments, the best practice to prevent trouble is to refrain from performing any duties other than those required.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/f7f28dccf2195fba5a2c7725de742d46bd1fb33e

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Your 2025 WTT Champions Yokohama Champions:

 

[zeio]

Japanese table tennis columnist, Jota Ito, commentary on Hina / Miwa situation:

Yahoo!ニュース エキスパート オーサー伊藤条太さんのコメント - Yahoo!ニュース

卓球コラムニストの伊藤条太さんのYahoo!ニュースのコメントが確認できます。各分野の専門家や有識者が個人として意見や提案を寄稿しています。

news.yahoo.co.jp

The fact that treatment was administered by Hayata's physical trainer, Mr. Oka, is within the discretion of the tournament's doctor, and therefore not a problem under the rules. That said, while Mr. Oka is not a table tennis expert, he has recently served as Hayata's bench coach, and it is understandable that Harimoto's doubts could be understood as he could provide tactical advice. Normally, Harimoto would receive advice from his own bench coach during interruptions, so the playing conditions would be equal. However, since this was a match between Japanese players, the absence of either bench coach, as is customary, created a sense of unfairness. I feel that this is an opportunity to consider revising this practice. Regarding the lack of explanation from the umpire, I would like to add that the application of medical timeouts is only communicated by the head umpire; umpires are under no obligation to provide explanations. At international tournaments, the best practice to prevent trouble is to refrain from performing any duties other than those required.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/f7f28dccf2195fba5a2c7725de742d46bd1fb33e

A WTT official has already provided their interpretation upon the request of Sports Hochi.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ll-play-for-another-4-years.35128/post-534821

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Japanese table tennis columnist, Jota Ito, commentary on Hina / Miwa situation:

Yahoo!ニュース エキスパート オーサー伊藤条太さんのコメント - Yahoo!ニュース

卓球コラムニストの伊藤条太さんのYahoo!ニュースのコメントが確認できます。各分野の専門家や有識者が個人として意見や提案を寄稿しています。

news.yahoo.co.jp

The fact that treatment was administered by Hayata's physical trainer, Mr. Oka, is within the discretion of the tournament's doctor, and therefore not a problem under the rules. That said, while Mr. Oka is not a table tennis expert, he has recently served as Hayata's bench coach, and it is understandable that Harimoto's doubts could be understood as he could provide tactical advice. Normally, Harimoto would receive advice from his own bench coach during interruptions, so the playing conditions would be equal. However, since this was a match between Japanese players, the absence of either bench coach, as is customary, created a sense of unfairness. I feel that this is an opportunity to consider revising this practice. Regarding the lack of explanation from the umpire, I would like to add that the application of medical timeouts is only communicated by the head umpire; umpires are under no obligation to provide explanations. At international tournaments, the best practice to prevent trouble is to refrain from performing any duties other than those required.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/f7f28dccf2195fba5a2c7725de742d46bd1fb33e

so it seems it is all green light
should the umpire communicate to Miwa, maybe all of this would of been avoided.

however, if I was Miwa, I would just take a toilet break, and hopefully her coach does the same LOL

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

HE DID IT!!!!!! WOW.... Congratulations, Harimoto. What a win and tournament performance overall.

And Kanak too, what a run...

Amazing tournament (watch Felix vs An, Shi Xunyao vs Mima Ito, Chen Yi vs Wang Manyu, Hayata vs Miwa, for some epic matches).

 

[NetProphet]

Ma Long is like Djokovic. He is just a scientific TT percentage winning machine. He is consistent, always plays the right shot and makes the right decision, he executes his strategy perfectly.

WCQ is like Federer. He is more of an artist and plays beautiful style. When he is on his game, his combinations just look unbeatable. But he is less consistent and his execution isn't as surefire as ML.

I think you have these the wrong way around.
When have you ever seen WCQ do a chop block for example?
I think WCQ is the robot Djokovic and ML the adaptable artist

 

[zeio]

Harimoto says he took a MTO because he twisted his knee upon getting up from 2 minutes of sitting while WCQ was off to the locker room for a change of cloth and he couldn't hold on.

CXT says it was no easy feat to stand in front of SYS as she said before the match and this title is a major encouragement for her.

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