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Not that hard to win when your opponent gives you miss after miss. WCQ was made a ton of bh flick errors, whiffed the ball a lot, among other things.

I think you are overexaggerating this win (again). I'm more impressed by Harimoto's match against FZD at Olympics. That was the best match he has played.

Today he just watched WCQ fall apart.

Its Harimoto game made WCQ make errors
 
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to watch todays final and say nothing has changed or it was only because WCQ played badly is just poor trolling, cant be a serious point of view. he stayed in the rally and finished. few times his passive game started to creep back in and he got back in driver's seat. unbelievable performance from Tomokazu Harimoto.

and credit to WCQ that every time someone beats him in a final it is world news. huge moment for Japan and harimoto.
you know, any sport is just a statistical science. A "BIG" win is really just winning 51% of points. If your opponent is making 1% more mistakes than usual, that is the margin that gives you a win vs a loss.

Harimoto played his usual game, he is a strong rally player.
 
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to watch todays final and say nothing has changed or it was only because WCQ played badly is just poor trolling, cant be a serious point of view. he stayed in the rally and finished. few times his passive game started to creep back in and he got back in driver's seat. unbelievable performance from Tomokazu Harimoto.

and credit to WCQ that every time someone beats him in a final it is world news. huge moment for Japan and harimoto.
For certain people who are confidently incorrect all you can do is crack jokes. We are talking about the evaluation of a pro from someone who not long ago posted a terribly incorrect self-evaluation of his own USATT 1800 (at most) gameplay and doesn't correctly grasp the level differences between a 2000 and a 2400 player.
 
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you know, any sport is just a statistical science. A "BIG" win is really just winning 51% of points. If your opponent is making 1% more mistakes than usual, that is the margin that gives you a win vs a loss.

Harimoto played his usual game, he is a strong rally player.
Gross oversimplification and completely ignoring cause and effect, but that's fine...
 
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why doesn't Harimoto make WCQ make errors every time?

WCQ had a bad day. check back in 15 years. I suspect at the end of their careers, WCQ will still hold a 70 or 80% win rate.

He destroyed Truls on same day. So in game with Truls in morning it was good day and on evening against Harimoto day become bad?
 
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Gross oversimplification and completely ignoring cause and effect, but that's fine...
He was doing better with the Zyre 03 angle... he is just being plain silly now.
 
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why doesn't Harimoto make WCQ make errors every time?

WCQ had a bad day. check back in 15 years. I suspect at the end of their careers, WCQ will still hold a 70 or 80% win rate.
Have you ever checked Fan Zhendong's win rate vs Ma Long when making that statement? Would you consider all the wins from FZD to be bad days from Ma Long?
 
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why doesn't Harimoto make WCQ make errors every time?

WCQ had a bad day. check back in 15 years. I suspect at the end of their careers, WCQ will still hold a 70 or 80% win rate.
So in summary from TB:
  1. Harimoto is not the biggest threat to the top Chinese players and he hates people who advertise him as such
  2. Harimoto has a 5-1 record, which nobody else has, against Lin Shidong the current WR1 and one of the two top Chinese players currently, achieved by a crabby and immature style with the wrong equipment choices
  3. Harimoto beats WCQ in a tournament where WCQ had been in dominant fashion throughout but its just because he magically forgot how to play when he met Harimoto and there is no cause/effect there
  4. All of these takes are validated because in 15 years, Harimoto might have a TB-calculated winrate against WCQ which would likely be better than any other non-Chinese threat's, which in fact makes him one of the biggest threats to Chinese players... which TB hates people for saying
 
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I'm not a high level player by any means, but in over 20 years of playing table tennis, I've never had to dash off in the middle of a match because I needed a ****

Toilet breaks should be banned.
I make sure to go before a match starts and ask my opponent to wait when we get called.
 
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He destroyed Truls on same day. So in game with Truls in morning it was good day and on evening against Harimoto day become bad?
yes! Why is that so surprising?

Seriously, you're argument is that you can't possibly play a bad match if you played a good match in the morning?
And your argument is that Harimoto can automatically force WCQ into errors? So he should have a 100% win rate against WCQ going forward right?

I'm done. Nobody seems to understand statistics or sport in general. Good luck to yourself
 
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Have you ever checked Fan Zhendong's win rate vs Ma Long when making that statement? Would you consider all the wins from FZD to be bad days from Ma Long?
no. That's not what I said. It depends on how they played. What was the winner % vs unforced error %?
You always do this Mr President of Harimoto Excuses club. You never actually listen to what I said. This is my last reply to you.

You have to actually watch how they performed and how their opponent performed. My favorite sport to watch is boxing. The best 2 boxers in the world to me are Usyk and Bivol, because they displayed impressive victories over capable and physically stronger opponents.

Canelo has lots of wins, but many of those are against physically inferior opponents.

Same as in TT. The best players who impressive wins over players putting up a impressive fight. That's why Harimoto's loss to FZD is a lot more impressive than today's win over WCQ. In his loss to FZD, Harimoto showed that when he is in-form, he is basically on par with the top Chinese players. Beating up a error-prone WCQ doesn't show much.
 
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So in summary from TB:
  1. Harimoto is not the biggest threat to the top Chinese players and he hates people who advertise him as such
  2. Harimoto has a 5-1 record, which nobody else has, against Lin Shidong the current WR1 and one of the two top Chinese players currently, achieved by a crabby and immature style with the wrong equipment choices
  3. Harimoto beats WCQ in a tournament where WCQ had been in dominant fashion throughout but its just because he magically forgot how to play when he met Harimoto and there is no cause/effect there
  4. All of these takes are validated because in 15 years, Harimoto might have a TB-calculated winrate against WCQ which would likely be better than any other non-Chinese threat's, which in fact makes him one of the biggest threats to Chinese players... which TB hates people for saying

3. WCQ had bad day. Otherwise he for sure wouldn't lose
 
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yes! Why is that so surprising?

Seriously, you're argument is that you can't possibly play a bad match if you played a good match in the morning?
And your argument is that Harimoto can automatically force WCQ into errors? So he should have a 100% win rate against WCQ going forward right?

I'm done. Nobody seems to understand statistics or sport in general. Good luck to yourself
You understand table tennis so well that you rated your forehand as an 8/10 and thought that 2000 USATT players beating 2400 USATT players is not an uncommon occurrence.
 
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I haven't watched the final yet, but I am not surprised that WCQ lost. From their past encounters, Harimoto did not play worse than WCQ. He just struggled to return WCQ's serves. At some point, I know he would focus on service receives with his coaches and figure that out. Without this drawback, he isn't really worse than WCQ.
 
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I'm interested in proper technical/tactical analysis on Hari's win today, other than all kinds of BS about MTO, the ball, the table, etc. What did he do differently than the last match one month ago where WCQ absolutely destroyed him?
He returned serve much better, defusing WCQ's third ball domination and getting into rallies. I think that was the biggest difference, but there were many others that came from Harimoto having one of his best days (he also played a great match against Kanak) and WCQ perhaps being overconfident and then getting nervous after blowing the first game. WCQ missed a lot of shots he normally makes (and made against Truls), but Harimoto deserves some of the credit for great placement (often Harimoto's backhand straight up the line to WCQ's backhand corner or his elbow) and spin variation including slaps and dead ball loops.
 
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no. That's not what I said. It depends on how they played. What was the winner % vs unforced error %?
You always do this Mr President of Harimoto Excuses club. You never actually listen to what I said. This is my last reply to you.

You have to actually watch how they performed and how their opponent performed. My favorite sport to watch is boxing. The best 2 boxers in the world to me are Usyk and Bivol, because they displayed impressive victories over capable and physically stronger opponents.

Canelo has lots of wins, but many of those are against physically inferior opponents.

Same as in TT. The best players who impressive wins over players putting up a impressive fight. That's why Harimoto's loss to FZD is a lot more impressive than today's win over WCQ. In his loss to FZD, Harimoto showed that when he is in-form, he is basically on par with the top Chinese players. Beating up a error-prone WCQ doesn't show much.
Okay, you watched a very different match from me - you act like unforced errors are some magical thing and not a result of misreading the opponent or being under pressure to play outside your comfort zone. Many of the games were really close and illustrate that both players were playing at a very high level. In any case, we will have to wait until they do this again. But no doubt in my head that part of what happened was Harimoto putting WCQ under pressure with balls that usually don't come back and largely better serve choices and return choices.
 
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No coaching should be allowed for clothes change and medical timeout. I think ITTF should write it in its law. HT mentioned that he took the medical timeout because WCQ took the clothes change after game 5.

Medical timeout is actually written in the law book, and clothes change is not.
 
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Okay, you watched a very different match from me - you act like unforced errors are some magical thing and not a result of misreading the opponent or being under pressure to play outside your comfort zone. Many of the games were really close and illustrate that both players were playing at a very high level. In any case, we will have to wait until they do this again. But no doubt in my head that part of what happened was Harimoto putting WCQ under pressure with balls that usually don't come back and largely better serve choices and return choices.
Unforced errors are usually for amateurs with poor fundamentals, not for professionals. You can talk to a USATT 1500 player about unforced errors, but for a world No 1? Haha
 
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Unforced errors are usually for amateurs with poor fundamentals, not for professionals. You can talk to a USATT 1500 player about unforced errors, but for a world No 1? Haha
Yes, obviously they make "unforced errors", and it is often subjective, but it is really self-serving to pretend that all the unforced errors came out of nowhere and that when Wang play Truls or Togami, all the unforced errors magically vanished because Wang was on form but when he played Harrimoto, someone he had previously destroyed 4-0, all the close games are just signs that Wang was not on form and it has absolutely nothing to do with Harimoto's high level.
 
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