WTT Champions Japan 2025 - 7-11 Aug 2025

[ThePongCommenter]

Btw Mr Coward, where is your match video? How come you never post your video?

Because I don't need input from people like you when I get it from top coaches and players

You're welcome for the advice I gave you by the way. You probably won't take it, but I look forward to the next video of your useless counterlooping drill which you're convinced will get you to 2100.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

go ahead. Share the data and let's look at it.

you the maths guy, 3 simple questions, and this is your best answer? haha.

there was very little bh errors, way more fh errors than bh and way more bh winner than bh errors..
and you making it sound like wcq had a off day?

ht beat wcq from strategy, not from wcq unforce errors or off day.
i am glad that players hire coaches not by their maths ability.

so when we going to discuss your unforced errors, wanna see how you put maths into your own errors.

the ball is round, it spins and has difference arcs and speed, wcq shots going off on the bh - go rewatch it a few times and tell me what HT did to make that ball go off? of course, you got more time for ej, and less time for actual table tennis improvement - but then you trying to make it like you know it all. So 3 questions in my last post - you chickened out, how about this question? going to try and answer?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Somehow I managed to lose the final game.

whats the maths behind this?

 

[TensorBackhand]

Because I don't need input from people like you when I get it from top coaches and players

You're welcome for the advice I gave you by the way. You probably won't take it, but I look forward to the next video of your useless counterlooping drill which you're convinced will get you to 2100.

Words of a coward.

Good luck to you. I won't bother responding to you anymore.

 

[NextLevel]

But he is only using it on one side while Togami, who has surpassed Harimoto, uses it on both sides and lost to Wang Chuqin so maybe he needs to go back to tension rubber in order to threaten the top Chinese. Maybe even a crabby style and neutral foot stance...

Yeah. I'm using to story to illustrate that even I myself didn't think Harimoto had a chance - in fact, I thought the match would start at 5:30 and not immediately after the women's trophies were presented so I actually started watching it late when Harimoto was already up 2-0. It's funny how TBH is dishonestly misrepresenting the amazing nature of what we just saw, I had to check my eyes to see all the countering that was going on, some of which I have already shared links to.

 

[NextLevel]

What are you even talking about. Can you show me ONE time where I said Harimoto didn't play a decent match? What I said was that WCQ was OFF his game, and Harimoto did his job.

In fact, now YOU are backtracking and arguing my point. My entire point is that I believe in mathematical odds. WCQ had a bad match, but I believe in long term mathematics that over the course of many games, he will win. So in the end, you believe the same. After spending half the thread arguing for Harimoto, you still don't believe his strategy is sustainable.

Good! Now at least you admit the same belief I have.

You don't know if Harimoto's result is sustainable. Neither do I.

IF you believe in long term odds, then you wouldn't propose at 50-50 bet on an 10-1 record, you would propose a 30-70 bet, and expect that you would win because the 10-1 record gives a good expected pay off on a 30-70, just not as good as a 50-50. No one is taking a 50-50, but someone might bite on a 30-70. But if you don't take my $50 for Harimoto winning one in the next 5 matches vs Wang winning all and maintaining the trend since this was a fluke, you really don't believe all this statistical nonsense you are claiming. Of course based on an 10-1 record, you still have a 63% chance of winning the bet so the bet is favorable to you. But I guess you only want to take really obvious bets that insult the intelligence of people but show how shallow your thought process is.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Yeah. I'm using to story to illustrate that even I myself didn't think Harimoto had a chance - in fact, I thought the match would start at 5:30 and not immediately after the women's trophies were presented so I actually started watching it late when Harimoto was already up 2-0. It's funny how TBH is dishonestly misrepresenting the amazing nature of what we just saw, I had to check my eyes to see all the countering that was going on, some of which I have already shared links to.

I don't think any of us did haha. And maybe I am giving too much credit if there is some history of TBH Harimoto hating that I'm unaware of, but it seems like he just genuinely is unable to comprehend table tennis or understand the basics of competitive matchplay. Maybe this shouldn't be a surprise though from someone who boastfully states that he has isolated himself from any competitive club or atmosphere even though they are available to him.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

@NextLevel he also doesn't understand betting markets or at least pretend he doesn't

 

[NextLevel]

I don't think any of us did haha. And maybe I am giving too much credit if there is some history of TBH Harimoto hating that I'm unaware of, but it seems like he just genuinely is unable to comprehend table tennis or understand the basics of competitive matchplay. Maybe this shouldn't be a surprise though from someone who boastfully states that he has isolated himself from any competitive club or atmosphere even though they are available to him.

If it wasn't a forum where he could be used for laughs, I wouldn't engage in this honestly. It is waste of mine and everyone else's time without the laughs.

 

[NextLevel]

It's not a strawman.

My point is that WCQ threw in a lot of unforced errors that are uncharacteristic of him when he is on his game like when he played Truls.

Your point is that Harimoto "made" him have unforced errors. Well, if you truly believe that Harimoto can just "make" WCQ have errors, then he will "make" WCQ have errors next time.

This is real life, this is not a AI simulation. There's no 100% objective way to determine how much was just WCQ making error and how much was Harimoto. I can't go and tell WCQ "hey, don't try to make adjustments next time so I can run a mathematical model against your matches"

So you are free to your opinion. I will keep with mine.

If you have a problem, then you're free to take up my offer.

In the real world, if a strategy is not sustainable, another word for that is just "lucky". Since you have no confidence that Harimoto's strategy is sustainable, then you can say that his win yesterday was just lucky.

I reject your offer - can I get a formal response to my offer about $50 and next 5 matches?

 

[NextLevel]

You can't read so I'll say it as simply as I can in the chance that you're actually trying to understand:

1. Harimoto's strategy adjustment caused him to be better on that day
2. No strategy in table tennis is "sustainable" because it is a game of constant adjustments especially match to match
3. WCQ and coaching staff will review what caused him to make "unforced errors" and he will adjust with new tactics and training to support those tactics
4. WCQ is the better player overall so he will probably win future encounters more often than he loses them provided he makes said strategy adjustments which he will
5. Despite point 4, Harimoto, even if he loses more than he wins, still is the biggest non-Chinese threat to the Chinese top players right now (Hugo is a reasonable argument too), which you apparently hate people saying

Can you comprehend how all of these things can be true at the same time?

Don't forget Felix, losses to AJH notwithstanding. Don't forget Felix lol... I think Hari-boy will inspire Felix even more.

 

[TensorBackhand]

If it wasn't a forum where he could be used for laughs, I wouldn't engage in this honestly. It is waste of mine and everyone else's time without the laughs.

I'm the one laughing at you.

The historical odds are meaningless, according to you, right? According to you, this is a new Harimoto, he has improved, he has evolved, he has learned how to "make WCQ have errors".

In 2008, Federer had a dominant winning record against Nadal. But those records flipped as Nadal improved, entered his prime, and Federer never really figured him out. So Nadal's old record was not at all indicative of their long-term average.

If you truly believe that this is a new Harimoto, then you would stand behind your word. My entire point is that I think nothing has changed and this result is just a bad shooting night for WCQ. Of course I could be wrong!

Harimoto is young, he is entering his prime, he could go on to win the next 10 matches against WCQ.

Anyways, I know you are just all empty talk and not willing to stand behind your word. So good luck to you President of Harimoto excuses club.

 

[NextLevel]

I'm the one laughing at you.

The historical odds are meaningless, according to you, right? According to you, this is a new Harimoto, he has improved, he has evolved, he has learned how to "make WCQ have errors".

In 2008, Federer had a dominant winning record against Nadal. But those records flipped as Nadal improved, entered his prime, and Federer never really figured him out. So Nadal's old record was not at all indicative of their long-term average.

If you truly believe that this is a new Harimoto, then you would stand behind your word. My entire point is that I think nothing has changed and this result is just a bad shooting night for WCQ. Of course I could be wrong!

Harimoto is young, he is entering his prime, he could go on to win the next 10 matches against WCQ.

Anyways, I know you are just all empty talk and not willing to stand behind your word. So good luck to you President of Harimoto excuses club.

You have a way with words, I never said the historical records are meaningless, in fact, I have used them to propose a bet that is favorable to you that I can take the other side of. It just isn't so favorable to you that if Harimoto has genuinely and significantly improved, you still can't lose. Again are you willing to accept the following:

$50 for you if Wang wins 5 next match against Tomo.
$50 for me if Tomo wins any one of these matches.

Wang has a 10-1 record against Tomo in WTT events. The bet has a 62% chance of cashing well for you. Over to you.

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

does the statistical analysis take into account unforced errors vs sitting chop blocks compared to ZYRE 03 backhand bombas?

 

[piligrim]

Don't forget Felix, losses to AJH notwithstanding. Don't forget Felix lol... I think Hari-boy will inspire Felix even more.

Felix had bad day

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I don't even understand your question. I don't play with different paddles to find the best paddle.

I play with different paddles because it's just fun to tryout new things. I also find it fun to play high level matches using cheap equipment.

Last week I played my 2150 rated LP chopper friend with $5 Rxton Train rubber. I had him at 2-2 games and I was leading 5-1. Somehow I managed to lose the final game. Oh well. But I find it amusing to beat these high level players with $5 rubber.

You sure post a lot of threads reviewing and asking for information about the performance of various rubbers and blades, for someone who is just doing it purely for fun and not trying to make conclusions about the performance of those equipment.

All these stories of beating or nearly beating 2000-2200 players and yet the only videos we ever get are of you playing backwards-cap-bro who looks 1500 max.

 

[piligrim]

whats the maths behind this?

With $5 rubber he lost in 5th game )))

 

[NextLevel]

I'm the one laughing at you.

The historical odds are meaningless, according to you, right? According to you, this is a new Harimoto, he has improved, he has evolved, he has learned how to "make WCQ have errors".

In 2008, Federer had a dominant winning record against Nadal. But those records flipped as Nadal improved, entered his prime, and Federer never really figured him out. So Nadal's old record was not at all indicative of their long-term average.

If you truly believe that this is a new Harimoto, then you would stand behind your word. My entire point is that I think nothing has changed and this result is just a bad shooting night for WCQ. Of course I could be wrong!

Harimoto is young, he is entering his prime, he could go on to win the next 10 matches against WCQ.

Anyways, I know you are just all empty talk and not willing to stand behind your word. So good luck to you President of Harimoto excuses club.

In 2008, Federer had a winning record against Nadal? Huh? You really are clueless about everything just not table tennis.

 

[mamedium]

anyone wants to take this bet:

if zeio posts 1 link to tiaba you owe me $5
2 links you owe me $10
if Harimito serves first at the beginning of the match vs WCQ you owe me $15

ANYONE??

 

[ThePongCommenter]

In 2008, Federer had a winning record against Nadal? Huh? You really are clueless about everything just not table tennis.

Just like Ma Long had separated himself head and shoulders as the leader of the CNT by 2010-2011!