"This rubber is not correct!"

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Is this something you can view publicly on the ITTF website or is it something only players and coaches have access to this.

If it’s a public link do you mind sharing it?

this is public information on ITTF website.

ITTF-Equipment

equipment.ittf.com

 

[Yurifi]

what an absolute sore loser coton is. Sure pips are annoying, but be a man about your losses.

because you are the last one with the video ... I can play against long pips blindfolded (short pips are a bit different story), thanks to my father, he taught me how to play against them, the defenders, blockers ... to me, it is a cat and mouse play and I enjoy it very much. also in the club where we are playing we have a player with some strange long pips, but I don't have much problems. but ...

Levenko was using side rotation too much. in the end he plays some fairly unchallenging serves and his play opens up.

Coton - here things get nasty. it is first set, 5:2 where Nie strikes back and the ball just goes ... this is definitely illegal rubber. treated with something. it's extremely difficult to play against pips like that, because you don't know what you are getting. I played against illegal pips and the ball that should have loads of backspin actually came with topspin here and then ... or at least flat, but never really backspinny. and it's really hard to play like this. if you manage to adapt fast, then it's okay but sometimes rubber just doesn't allow to adapt (or, like Nie, kills you off while adapting, because, let's face it - his technique is good, he plays good and in second set he adapts and starts using pips more ... there are some sketchy situations, but more or less, after first set, Coton did not play carefully - complicated serves, i.e. which did not go well for him)

 

[NextLevel]

all pips rubbers are tested too.
its not on the list as there is no current infraction (failed test) for pips.

Too thick is the most common, due to the amount of glue + boosters.
VOC is probably too freshly glued - we normally glue min evening before, to allow the VOC in the rubber to air out. If you just cut and glue and test, it will likely fail VOC, so you need to air it.

there are pip friction testing devices

I think proof that the friction test is being applied widely is the question. We know they are tested for thickness, but how and when for friction is the question. There aren't many players using pips, but the fact that no one has failed a friction test calls into question how widely the test is being completed IMHO.

 

[Jslick89]

If he felt that the pips were treated, that at least explains his behavior even if it doesn't justify it.

He was 14...and French....

At that time he was just a boy under 15 years old, not an easy thing to deal a loss at this age.

14 is old enough to be a good sport, IMO. and I guess i dont know enough about treated pips to speak on them. If those rubbers are illegal, it should be on the tournament to catch that.

 

[tzifos]

I think proof that the friction test is being applied widely is the question. We know they are tested for thickness, but how and when for friction is the question. There aren't many players using pips, but the fact that no one has failed a friction test calls into question how widely the test is being completed IMHO.

Or, maybe no long pip user thinks that by "treating" his pips, he gain an advantage. I play with pips from day one I started playing TT, I have tried boosting my inverted rubbers, mostly due to curiosity but I have never tried to "treat" my pips.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Chulong Nie 3 - 0 Andreas Levenko in R16. Chulong Nie 0 - 3 Kazuhiro Yoshimura in QF. Yoshimura gives Chulong nothing to work with on push and drives hard with little to no spin into the pips when he wants to attack.

 

[NextLevel]

Chulong Nie 3 - 0 Andreas Levenko in R16. Chulong Nie 0 - 3 Kazuhiro Yoshimura in QF. Yoshimura gives Chulong nothing to work with on push and drives hard with little to no spin into the pips when he wants to attack.

Yoshimura just is more comfortable with pips and is more powerful than Levenko, his drives have tons of spin, it just isn't high spin to slow or moderate speed with arc, it is low arc, fast high spin drives. By the 3rd game, Nie figured out how to avoid more often the obvious placements that lead to his initial destruction but couldn't get the game.

Nie also beat Rolland who is on the French national team.

 

[jk1980]

all pips rubbers are tested too.

its not on the list as there is no current infraction (failed test) for pips.

which is very odd that something that can be checked much easier by the players themselves (like bat & rubber thickness) would be found more often than something dubious like treated pimples

Too thick is the most common, due to the amount of glue + boosters.
VOC is probably too freshly glued - we normally glue min evening before, to allow the VOC in the rubber to air out. If you just cut and glue and test, it will likely fail VOC, so you need to air it.

these statements can be true all by themselves. you are putting them together in the same context, but that might not reflect reality.
are tools to measure thickness of rubbers and blade as widespread available and used in competitions as VOC detectors ? probably not.
If i would go from what i have been told by others i would guess that the most prevalent tools in racket control is the thickness check with meters, then probably not used everywhere is the VOC detection in some kind of box and the rarest (if used at all) would be the pip friction testing tool. i only ever saw such a device once on youtube and never mentioned or used anywhere else.

there are pip friction testing devices

the existence of testing devices does not correlate with their use

 

[mocker88]

because you are the last one with the video ... I can play against long pips blindfolded (short pips are a bit different story), thanks to my father, he taught me how to play against them, the defenders, blockers ... to me, it is a cat and mouse play and I enjoy it very much. also in the club where we are playing we have a player with some strange long pips, but I don't have much problems. but ...

Levenko was using side rotation too much. in the end he plays some fairly unchallenging serves and his play opens up.

Coton - here things get nasty. it is first set, 5:2 where Nie strikes back and the ball just goes ... this is definitely illegal rubber. treated with something. it's extremely difficult to play against pips like that, because you don't know what you are getting. I played against illegal pips and the ball that should have loads of backspin actually came with topspin here and then ... or at least flat, but never really backspinny. and it's really hard to play like this. if you manage to adapt fast, then it's okay but sometimes rubber just doesn't allow to adapt (or, like Nie, kills you off while adapting, because, let's face it - his technique is good, he plays good and in second set he adapts and starts using pips more ... there are some sketchy situations, but more or less, after first set, Coton did not play carefully - complicated serves, i.e. which did not go well for him)

At 5:2 I just think Nie returns the backhand drive from Coton really nice. There's nothing illegal here. At least you can't decide that from looking at this ball. The second backhand has more speed and not that much spin, and I don't see anything strange about this return from Nie. Only that it's quite difficult to make it, because you have to block it with the exact angle needed and the speed is quite high as well.

 

[\_Kairos_/]

Here's the incident I'm referring to, at ~ 1hour 6min mark:

Jesus H. Christ. As much as I despise this "choo-ing" and similar verbal outbursts of ridiculous nature, Levenko actually walked towards the umpire and brazenly lied in her face (essentially making up a story) in the hopes that Pistej would get penalized. That's really something...
Perhaps I'm old (school) and younger ones don't think much about it, but Levenko should have been held accountable for it and have gotten penalized in some way. One can only hope he will grow up someday and don't have to resort to this kind of shenenigans. As of now he is just a sore loser.

 

[PhoenixTT]

Some research turned up this as well... it's clear he is not popular... Coton did not shake his hand at the end of the match...

Even the umpire did not like Chulong Nie (5:46 "Game to Austria", not Australia)

 

[NextLevel]

Even the umpire did not like Chulong Nie (5:46 "Game to Austria", not Australia)

He said Australia lol. Just not very clearly.

 

[PhoenixTT]

He said Australia lol. Just not very clearly.

Very clearly "Austria" to me. We need someone to adjudicate, preferably someone objective, like another Aussie

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I subscribe to Andreas' YT channel. Can't wait for him to make a video to share his side of the story with regards to this incident.

These type of rubber are prevalent in the amateur scene where, understandably, most amateur organizer do not have the means nor equipment to catch these cheats.

But to see such thing on a pro circuit; oh well, there is a first to everything...

 

[piligrim]

the ittf is like an inverted rubber cult.
in amateur levels like 50% of players use some sort of pimple/anti rubber

Depend by country. In India 90% use pips

 

[Peter93]

Chulong Nie 3 - 0 Andreas Levenko in R16. Chulong Nie 0 - 3 Kazuhiro Yoshimura in QF. Yoshimura gives Chulong nothing to work with on push and drives hard with little to no spin into the pips when he wants to attack.

This is big reason why I don't use OX. Having any amount of sponge gives you so much more variety to choose from in your shots. I see Akula and Batra flipping the ball more, but with OX that will always be much less consistent.

the ittf is like an inverted rubber cult.
in amateur levels like 50% of players use some sort of pimple/anti rubber.

It's because most amateur players don't have good enough footwork, lateral movement, and loop consistency/power to play against decent pips players. That plus a lot of people go to pips at the amateur level to take advantage of that and because we also know our own physical and technical limitations.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

which is very odd that something that can be checked much easier by the players themselves (like bat & rubber thickness) would be found more often than something dubious like treated pimples

Yes, I suggested to coaches to get players to measure themselves. An electronic gauge isnt cheap though.

these statements can be true all by themselves. you are putting them together in the same context, but that might not reflect reality.
are tools to measure thickness of rubbers and blade as widespread available and used in competitions as VOC detectors ? probably not.
If i would go from what i have been told by others i would guess that the most prevalent tools in racket control is the thickness check with meters, then probably not used everywhere is the VOC detection in some kind of box and the rarest (if used at all) would be the pip friction testing tool. i only ever saw such a device once on youtube and never mentioned or used anywhere else.

Are you talking about international competition or domestic?
It all depends on what the referee/umpire committee prepares. In many pro circuit like leagues, they only use a plastic umpire ruler to do thickness and flatness.

Internationals are a lot more stricter with racket control, call area and after match checks

 

[yamagata]

Levenko needs to stop overanalyzing and find his natural flow. Only then can he reach his optimal level and let go of frustrations.

But he should definitely sell shirts on his channel with this hilarious print. I will buy.

 

[JackJohnson]

I’m not surprised China is not on the list. They probably have got the testing equipment themselves and the coaches bring it with them at every tournament for their players to test for rubber thickness/flatness and VOC before their matches so they don’t fail the official ITTF racket testing.

@Tony's Table Tennis you mentioned that players at the minimum should glue their boosted rubbers onto their blades the evening before match day to air out the VOC. So would 12 hours before the racket testing be enough for the VOC to air out or would it require much longer air out time?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I’m not surprised China is not on the list. They probably have got the testing equipment themselves and the coaches bring it with them at every tournament for their players to test for rubber thickness/flatness and VOC before their matches so they don’t fail the official ITTF racket testing.

Ive seen them on the list before
Their also dont test was what I was told.

@Tony's Table Tennis you mentioned that players at the minimum should glue their boosted rubbers onto their blades the evening before match day to air out the VOC. So would 12 hours before the racket testing be enough for the VOC to air out or would it require much longer air out time?

Im referring to new rubber out of the packaging and yes, 12 should be enough