WTT Champions Macao 2025 - 9-14 Sep 2025

[TampaBayTableTennis]

wow! what else can you say about Lind vs Lin...

 

[dewnyc]

Lind joins the club of non-CNT players who have beaten both LSD and WCQ - i believe that’s Hugo, Harimoto, and Truls. Anyone else?

 

[BlopChock]

wow! what else can you say about Lind vs Lin...

Anders' record versus Chinese players is now over 50% (10-9), and he's 70+% in deciders.

 

[NextLevel]

I never said he lost because of his forehand style just pointed the style out. And said he lost because he has weak forehand and that his forehand was exploited. Every match LSD lost, was because of his week forehand. At least it looked like it to me.


Never said i know better then his coach because I don't know what his coach thinks and knows. But what i said would be my approach.

He beat Lind 3-0 with said weak forehand the prior times they have played. Many points can be made about this but it is simply incorrect that LSD loses matches because of his weak forehand, it's often a comment from players who not like his backhand style. Forehand oriented players have a style and attitude to the game that comes from an overpower the opponent mentality and use footwork aggressively that LSD doesn't exhibit and they perpetually read his game through that lense. What they are really complaining about is LSD's footwork speed to bring in the forehand and attack really hard. But whether this would prevent LSD from losing to players who are hitting amazing shots is for anyone to determine. In the last game, Lind made some really amazing shots after pulling LSD out of the backhand corner, LSD couldn't defend them all. That this is about weak forehand is really weird, it would be interesting to see what you saw that led to this conclusion.

 

[KiwiPong]

please retire LSD

More like, plz retire WH lol

 

[rpb23]

Amazing win from anders i am still pissed i can't watch wtt live in Germany after R16 i think.

LSD has a very weak forehand for a Chinese player. Anders exploited it really good. LSD doen't use his elbow at all he has very similar motion to Harimoto. If I would he his coach there would be a lot of forehand technique drills.
But he is still young and can learn. WCQ and LSDs forehand look like complete opposites.

And Yes Wang Hao needs to go they have Ma Long, probably the best tactician. I would try to bring him in. Or bring him and FZD back to CNT 😪😪😪😪

Not sure you are watching the same player whose name is LSD. LSD's forehand is actually quite powerful and explosive with lots of spin. If you pay attention, you can see he has many forehand winners. Also in long distance top spin shoot out, a good measurement of one's forehand power and consistency, very few people can overpower him.

The reason some people think he has weak forehand maybe his forehand is overshadowed by his out of the world backhand.

The real reason, LSD is regarded as a 'weak' forehand player is because he is a very biased backhand oriented player. His foot and body posture is mostly favoring backhand play, the main reason he has such unbelievable backhand. However, when he decides to attack with his forehand with full body engagement, you can clearly feel his power. He just doesn't do it enough because he still favors backhand play.

First couple of years LSD appeared in the world stage, this backhand orientation was even more biased. He was regarded as 'backhand only' player. Forehand oriented XP was ahead of him at the time. In the last 2 years, coaches helped LSD address the unbalance by improving his forehand also willingness to use the forehand. And we've all witnessed the fastest rise of player in such a young age.

LSD has maintained world number 1 for quite a few months now. Every his opponent is treating him not as a young player but a superstar. His backhand oriented approach and other weaknesses are explored. Occasional loss will be inevitable. I don't worry about him as he is still young and still adapting.

 

[BlopChock]

He beat Lind 3-0 with said weak forehand the prior times they have played. Many points can be made about this but it is simply incorrect that LSD loses matches because of his weak forehand, it's often a comment from players who not like his backhand style. Forehand oriented players have a style and attitude to the game that comes from an overpower the opponent mentality and use footwork aggressively that LSD doesn't exhibit and they perpetually read his game through that lense. What they are really complaining about is LSD's footwork speed to bring in the forehand and attack really hard. But whether this would prevent LSD from losing to players who are hitting amazing shots is for anyone to determine. In the last game, Lind made some really amazing shots after pulling LSD out of the backhand corner, LSD couldn't defend them all. That this is about weak forehand is really weird, it would be interesting to see what you saw that led to this conclusion.

Yeah, let's not get it twisted - Anders won that, LSD didn't give it away. Both played extremely well and gave us a match to remember.

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

the level of the game continues to plummet, world's worst #1 showers opponent with unforced errors, practically giving the match away. too boring to watch, in fact. please WTT, stop the tournament!

 

[baotran]

Amazing win from anders i am still pissed i can't watch wtt live in Germany after R16 i think.

LSD has a very weak forehand for a Chinese player. Anders exploited it really good. LSD doen't use his elbow at all he has very similar motion to Harimoto. If I would he his coach there would be a lot of forehand technique drills.
But he is still young and can learn. WCQ and LSDs forehand look like complete opposites.

And Yes Wang Hao needs to go they have Ma Long, probably the best tactician. I would try to bring him in. Or bring him and FZD back to CNT 😪😪😪😪

Weak at what aspects? I don't think his forehand attack or rallies are weak. Maybe his weakness is the defense, especially defending near the table offense which will have tremendous power. That makes his first three-shots not really good. Many players have exploited this (Fan Zhendong, Hugo, Felix, Wang chuqin, Harimoto, etc.)

 

[rpb23]

Wow, Calderano is in a really great shape, it will be a very though match for Anders tomorrow, in case Calderano and Wang Chuqin go to the final, it will be quite a blockbuster of a match!

Based on the play in the quarter final, if Calderano meets WCQ in the final, I'll bet on WCQ.

 

[Rafael Caetano]

Based on the play in the quarter final, if Calderano meets WCQ in the final, I'll bet on WCQ.

I think that Wang Chuqin is indeed the favourite to win, buuuut if Calderano is playing his best, he could very well realistically win, I would say it´s 65-35 odds in favour of chuqin.

 

[rpb23]

I think that Wang Chuqin is indeed the favourite to win, buuuut if Calderano is playing his best, he could very well realistically win, I would say it´s 65-35 odds in favour of chuqin.

65:35? that's a big odds for WCQ.
Revenge is a huge factor here. Top players have a strong memory who they got beat last time.

 

[Rafael Caetano]

65:35? that's a big odds for WCQ.
Revenge is a huge factor here. Top players have a strong memory who they got beat last time.

I mean, you got a point, and calderano is playing so superbly well, it seems like he is not content with being only a top 3 or 4 player this year, he wants to reach the top, even if from us fans perspective it looks like a distant dream! I would still favour chuqin, but perhaps a 55-45 odds would be more suitable given Calderano´s shape and hunger for titles this year!

 

[sebi]

He beat Lind 3-0 with said weak forehand the prior times they have played. Many points can be made about this but it is simply incorrect that LSD loses matches because of his weak forehand, it's often a comment from players who not like his backhand style. Forehand oriented players have a style and attitude to the game that comes from an overpower the opponent mentality and use footwork aggressively that LSD doesn't exhibit and they perpetually read his game through that lense. What they are really complaining about is LSD's footwork speed to bring in the forehand and attack really hard. But whether this would prevent LSD from losing to players who are hitting amazing shots is for anyone to determine. In the last game, Lind made some really amazing shots after pulling LSD out of the backhand corner, LSD couldn't defend them all. That this is about weak forehand is really weird, it would be interesting to see what you saw that led to this conclusion.

To me it looks like he has weak forehand open up. Maybe spinny but very slow. And in a top spins really if it gets changed from backhand backhand to his forehand he doesn't seem ready and his counter is often not dangerous enough. This leads to him having to go to his lobbing game or running from side to side. Maybe my analysis is wrong but that's how I see it.

I actually really like LSD and love his backhand.

But is his Backhand better then Zhang Jikes or FZD? And both of them have on of the best forehands ever.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Had a chance to watch replay of Hina's match with WMY. Overall, not bad. I remember in the past she tried using a backhand serve without much success, but here she was actually pretty successful not winning the point outright but setting herself up for the attack. I think her FH is more potent than her previous outings, and her game is built around getting in the first FH attack. She got somewhat passive on a couple of points in the final game and couldn't quite execute her opening at times, but definitely better than past tournaments. She's making progress, and that's all you can really ask for. It hasn't resulted in wins yet against the big 2, but I like what I'm seeing from Hina, Honoka, and Miyu Nagasaki.

 

[SFF_lib]

After losing to Hugo a few months ago, WCQ beat Hugo easily in the next match.

CNT has vast amount of human resources, they can find 10 players to emulate Hugo. But the opposite is not true.

It's really tough for the Brazillian team to find a top level player who can emulate WCQ and train with Hugo. Same for the Danish team.

But WCQ-Lind was a while back.

In the mens final, Lind has a higher chance of upset.

 

[latej]

In the mens final, Lind has a higher chance of upset.

Let's put it plainly: In the mens final, Lind will make an upset.

 

[tzifos]

50% of the best 8 in this tournament are Chinese women
Only 25% are Chinese men in quarter finals.

Let's see tomorrow after the matches what these numbers are going to be

And these numbers became 100% for Ch. women and 25% for Ch. men

 

[NextLevel]

To me it looks like he has weak forehand open up. Maybe spinny but very slow. And in a top spins really if it gets changed from backhand backhand to his forehand he doesn't seem ready and his counter is often not dangerous enough. This leads to him having to go to his lobbing game or running from side to side. Maybe my analysis is wrong but that's how I see it.

I actually really like LSD and love his backhand.

But is his Backhand better then Zhang Jikes or FZD? And both of them have on of the best forehands ever.

I don't see it that way but it is not a problem to disagree on an opponent's play or shot selection, especially at a young age where development is still possible. I would ask that when you see that spin up, look at the sequence that led to it and ask whether you think he could really have done more. Cai Zhenhua is notorious for criticizing Fan's overuse of the chiquita and asking his coaches to train him to short push more. Ma Long never developed a killer chiquita (didn't fit his playing style). The game is as much about what your opponents can get you to do as what you can do and I think ZJK's comments unfortunately turned an experience and competitiveness of foreigners issue into a style issue. It is easy to forget that Wang Hao had to retire for Ma Long to start winning and the plastic ball made it easier to play backhands as well. Now all we remember is how great Ma Long is and forget how much he struggled to hang in backhand matchups against certain players in critical matches. The era has changed and comparing Changes play in the celluloid era and in the plastic ball transition period to what LSD is doing now does a disservice to both, so I won't answer your question directly but my opinion is heavily LSD biased.

Chen Yuanyu is one of those forehand seeking Chinese players that is not spectacular so he doesn't get discussed as much. How did he do vs Lind? Xiang Peng who is spectacular was a prodigy who played well against Zhang as a junior. How did he do against Franziska? The rest of the world is so strong right now that it will take a while for the CNT to create players that can plug the holes. The only thing that the CNT can take comfort in is that most of these players are in different countries and Fan might still be fixable. But LSD is still a few years away from his true prime. And of course, Fan was/is probably the greatest prodigy of all time.

 

[sebi]

I don't see it that way but it is not a problem to disagree on an opponent's play or shot selection, especially at a young age where development is still possible. I would ask that when you see that spin up, look at the sequence that led to it and ask whether you think he could really have done more. Cai Zhenhua is notorious for criticizing Fan's overuse of the chiquita and asking his coaches to train him to short push more. Ma Long never developed a killer chiquita (didn't fit his playing style). The game is as much about what your opponents can get you to do as what you can do and I think ZJK's comments unfortunately turned an experience and competitiveness of foreigners issue into a style issue. It is easy to forget that Wang Hao had to retire for Ma Long to start winning and the plastic ball made it easier to play backhands as well. Now all we remember is how great Ma Long is and forget how much he struggled to hang in backhand matchups against certain players in critical matches. The era has changed and comparing Changes play in the celluloid era and in the plastic ball transition period to what LSD is doing now does a disservice to both, so I won't answer your question directly but my opinion is heavily LSD biased.

Chen Yuanyu is one of those forehand seeking Chinese players that is not spectacular so he doesn't get discussed as much. How did he do vs Lind? Xiang Peng who is spectacular was a prodigy who played well against Zhang as a junior. How did he do against Franziska? The rest of the world is so strong right now that it will take a while for the CNT to create players that can plug the holes. The only thing that the CNT can take comfort in is that most of these players are in different countries and Fan might still be fixable. But LSD is still a few years away from his true prime. And of course, Fan was/is probably the greatest prodigy of all time.

What did Zhang Jike say?
The world is really strong and LSD has time. He probably has one of the greatest backhands of all time and is very jung.