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Why I am not surprised Lind had a huge performance downgrade against Hugo? Main reason: he spent too much beating LSD just a few hours ago. For a player of Lind's level, very good but not great yet (in terms of consistently performing) upsetting a very stable top player carries heavy cost, he was simply spent and didn't have much reserved for Hugo.
A little surprised Hugo didn't get a single game from WLQ. Maybe the ramification after he beating WCQ and LSD in one tournament not long ago still has its effect considering he got swept by Duda last tournament.
What happened to Tomo after his upset of WLQ in the champion event in Japan? Same performance downgrade and he was swept by a fragile XF.
you are right,
continuing playing at the highest level is not easy
that is why Hugo was a freak when he did 3 in a row or HT against 2 x CNT in the same team match.
It doesn't happen all the time.

I still remember a decade ago, some western coach mentioned to me about a study on how to build up for a peak and rest and recover and build up again. I didn't pay careful attention, but such study probably does have merit if the data is accurate - as science and big data is now a big part of the future.
 
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In the final interview, WCQ's last words seemed like, 'I worked hard to make sure Chinese men's table tennis team is still the same team.'
However, the translator interpreted as '... table tennis is still the same' cutting off Chinese men's, a huge difference.
WCQ also mentioned he felt the heavy burden due to current status of Chinese men's team and had to do his best to play this match.
During the award ceremony, WCQ carried a very reserved facial expression, no victory smiles, a sign of someone under great pressure for quite a while and still feel the pressure moving forward.
Whether or not you like WCQ or not, he is currently by far the best player of the world. He demonstrated the character of a solid champion who may have occasional hiccups but usually bounce up quickly. When he is on, he is simply unplayable to anyone facing him across the table.
I said in the past, one of his very few weaknesses is stability as he tended to go through a few months of up followed by a period of down. Now, it seems he has developed out this swing pattern. Well, he has to be, as he is China's single core player now. LSD can help but he still young and experiencing some growing pain now.
I'm looking forward to the next ITTF team event and want to see the rest of world challenge a vulnerable Chinese men's team.
He indeed is a very good player
but that pressure behind him... at his age (what ever it is officially), is not healthy.
I think with everyone failing besides him, it might make him stronger, but it could also break him.
Add in some bad fangirls that pisses him off, and it might just have a bad outcome.

I wish table tennis can be a healthy sport, healthy environment.
WCQ should play for himself, play for table tennis and not have a China or CNT pressure behind him and those fans.... they just need to be disciplined, and rude fans banned by ITTF for life.
 
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Why I am not surprised Lind had a huge performance downgrade against Hugo? Main reason: he spent too much beating LSD just a few hours ago. For a player of Lind's level, very good but not great yet (in terms of consistently performing) upsetting a very stable top player carries heavy cost, he was simply spent and didn't have much reserved for Hugo.
A little surprised Hugo didn't get a single game from WLQ. Maybe the ramification after he beating WCQ and LSD in one tournament not long ago still has its effect considering he got swept by Duda last tournament.
What happened to Tomo after his upset of WLQ in the champion event in Japan? Same performance downgrade and he was swept by a fragile XF.
Part of the reason I ask about TTR is that WCQ was clearly serving over the table IMHO. Umpires and servers need to do better.
 
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Part of the reason I ask about TTR is that WXQ was clearly serving over the table IMHO. Umpires and servers need to do better.
very good question
we need consistency at the highest level.

i'm also eager to hear the reason why no TTR
 
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MS looks promising!

WS feels like another SYS ascension on repeat *yawns*
Almost the opposite. Women's was captivating at WM 3-2 up and mens was a procession for WCQ. Very unexpected but sometimes he just reaches a level where he can't be touched. And boy did he have his homework done since their last meeting!
 
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WTT seems very eager to reintroduce WCQ as WR#1 before the official updates :LOL: - it's like saying, "We had enough of the old WR#1 who hardly makes it to the finals these days".

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WTT seems very eager to reintroduce WCQ as WR#1 before the official updates :LOL: - it's like saying, "We had enough of the old WR#1 who hardly makes it to the finals these days".

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Hahaha - they usually do this when the ranking changes so nothing special. That said, there is something to be said for the world #1 being the world champion and I think the loss of the ranking will help LSD as well. He was being burdened with unreasonable expectations largely because of the ranking. A non-CNT player who achieved as much as he did would be globally celebrated, for him it became about whether he was deserving or not.
 
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1) she is getting older, injuries don't recover as easily as when you a teenager. The threshold of table tennis in the 20s is also different when you in the 30s.
2) CIC been carrying this injury the whole of 2025, and in fact from 2024, and there wasn't a long stretch of time for her to really recover.
She does have the luxury to travel with medical staffs, where many players doesn't.
3) Coexisting with injury is normal for table tennis players today (which is sad), some times you can overcome the pain, some times you can't. That's just life of a pro table tennis player.

Its funny that so many players (including CNT players) talk about overloading, yet you are here disagreeing with this issue.
Why dont you factor in mathematics if you are so into it, and give some inflation with the 40+ ball too?
食得鹹魚抵得渴/If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

As of now, other than 1 WTT Finals and 4 WTT Champions, the other events are not mandatory.

Your constant nagging makes you sound like those fanboys/fangirls.

公开赛时代比赛看起来一点也不少啊 (The Open Era seemed to have many tournaments)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10041865520
林诗栋(补短板中) 现在吐槽比赛多都成了日经贴了。但是去查了19年还是ittf时代的男队参赛记录,也是密密麻麻(贴个图也要被某些人破防删除)。这一年参赛数量: 小胖16站(9公开赛➕1总决赛),许昕15站,骰子15站,林老叔和筐子更是狂刷了18站,就连这一年动手术的马龙都打了12站。
主力基本上都打了10站左右的商业赛,还有三大赛洲际赛零零总总没停过,那时的公开赛还是全程bo7,还有男双混双,比现在深轮次才Bo7,没有双打的冠军赛感觉强度更大啊。表里的还没有列出挑战赛
对比下今年到现在,骰子打了8站,kk9站,筐子7站,算全运会剩下来差不多也就剩4站比赛了,感觉强度还没19年的主力高。
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(Nowadays, complaints about many tournaments have become "daily period threads". But I checked the men's team's participation records from 2019, back during the ITTF era, and they're just as dense (even posting a picture gets deleted by someone who got offended). That year's participation numbers: Little Chubby played 16 tournaments (9 Opens + 1 Grand Finals), Xu Xin 15, Dice 15, and Uncle Lin and [Trash] Bin [LJK] played a whopping 18. Even Ma Long, who had surgery that year, played 12.

The main players generally played around 10 commercial tournaments, plus the three majors and various continental tournaments were non-stop. Back then, the Opens were all best-of-7, plus the men's doubles and mixed doubles. Compared to the best-of-7 in later rounds now of the Champions without doubles events, the old days felt even more intense. The table doesn't even include the Challenger tournaments.

Compared to this year and as of now, Dice has played 8 tournaments, KK 9, and Bin 7. Including the National Games, there are only about 4 tournaments left. It feels like the intensity isn't as high as the main players in 2019.)

贴吧用户_GDQC5yG 主要疫情加wtt新赛制不完善,导致20年到23年比赛相较公开赛时期减少,有很多新粉不熟悉公开赛时期的情况。
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(The main reason is the pandemic and the incomplete new WTT competition system, which led to a decrease in competitions from 2020 to 2023 compared to the Open Era. Many new fans are not familiar with the situation during the Open Era.)
林诗栋(补短板中): 我感觉19年这些人真的累多了,全程bo7还都有双打,比wtt还耗费体力
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(I feel like these guys were way more tired in 2019, bo7 throughout plus the doubles, more physically demanding than WTT)
贴吧用户_GDQC5yG: 回复 林诗栋(补短板中) :以前公开赛的赛程其实可能会更长,那个时候资格赛是好像是除了排名前十六不用参加,其他人都要。18年刘诗雯还要打公开赛
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(In the past, the schedule of an Open might actually be longer. At that time, it seemed that except for the top 16, everyone else had to participate in the qualifying round. In 2018, Liu Shiwen also had to play in the Open [qualifying?])

许多年前你曾是个少年 以前也没强制参赛不参赛扣分吧
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(There were no mandatory participation in the past and that points would be deducted for not participating, right?)
 
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Thanks for counting
So its going to be near 20 this year
Not a lot
Once again, I'm being generous here by not quoting the top JNT players from 2019 who played over 20 events. Even Hashimoto who finished 8th played 18 events.
 
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For future reference, Calderano's number of events over the years.

Year Events
2025 11 (1st year of full calendar, WTT CS Macao included)
2024 15
2023 16
2022 11
2021 7 (Start of WTT)
2020 5
2019 16
2018 12 (Start of new WR system)
2017 8
2016 12
2015 9
2014 13
2013 11
2012 15
2011 12
2010 8
2009 1
 
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食得鹹魚抵得渴/If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

As of now, other than 1 WTT Finals and 4 WTT Champions, the other events are not mandatory.

Your constant nagging makes you sound like those fanboys/fangirls.
your posts are really too long
you should ask or have a poll on how many people actually reads it.

you the one that is nagging non stop on Japanese girls for the past decade.
its not healthy.
you should have a life and actually play table tennis.
too much time in front of the computer and counting how many events players play.... is really not healthy.

and its not good to pretend you know pro's life since you are really just the average tieba user.
 
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are you saying, Chinese people do cyber bulling because of their above average IQ?
With all due respect, you don't sound all that intelligent for being a Chinese.

Which countries report the highest bullying rates among 15‑year‑olds?
https://worldvisualized.com/article...t-the-highest-bullying-rates-among-15yearolds
While these rates stem from self‑reported surveys rather than official police statistics, they underscore wide disparities in school climate. The figures suggest that teens in northern and English‑speaking countries, where digital connectivity is high, may face particularly intense cyberbullying pressure.

Bullying - UNICEF DATA
https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-protection/violence/bullying/
Bullying map 2018 - Infogram
https://data.unicef.org/wp-content/uploads/infograms/10200/index.html

Average IQ By Country 2025
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/1jpo5qy/average_iq_by_country_2025/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country
https://international-iq-test.com/en/test/IQ_by_country
https://www.iq-international-test.com/en/test/IQ_by_country

p.s.
Table II.B1.3.30 Students' exposure to bullying
https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oe...36/PISA 2022 Insights and Interpretations.pdf, p.57
https://stat.link/d5rsh2
https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oe...22-results-volume-ii_222a5ef6/a97db61c-en.pdf, p.407
PISA 2022
KOR 1.1
TPE 2.2
JPN 3.7
HKG 7.1
SGP 7.9
MAC 9.0

Figure III.2.2 Prevalence of exposure to bullying at school
https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oe...8-results-volume-iii_bdc12c30/acd78851-en.pdf, p.49
PISA 2018
KOR 9.4
TPE 13.3
JPN 17.3
CHN 17.7 (B-S-J-Z/Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang)
SGP 26.0
MAC 27.0
HKG 29.3

Figure III.1.3 [Part 2/2][Part 2/2] • Snapshot of sense of belonging at school and bullyingSnapshot of sense of belonging at school and bullying
https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oe...ults-volume-iii_g1g787cb/9789264273856-en.pdf, p.47
PISA 2015
TPE 10.7
KOR 11.9
JPN 21.9
CHN 22.5 (B-S-J-Z/Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang)
SGP 25.1
MAC 27.3
HKG 32.3

Policy measures to combat bullying in schools
https://www.legco.gov.hk/research-p...cy-measures-to-combat-bullying-in-schools.htm
In Taiwan, school bullying used to be a serious problem, but the situation has improved visibly after a regulatory reform in 2012, which laid down a centralized mandatory reporting and investigation mechanism for suspected bullying cases. With only 11% of its students reported being bullied, Taiwan was ranked amongst the bottom in the aforementioned global survey.7 This issue of Essentials reviews the policies to tackle school bullying in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
 
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your posts are really too long
you should ask or have a poll on how many people actually reads it.

you the one that is nagging non stop on Japanese girls for the past decade.
its not healthy.
you should have a life and actually play table tennis.
too much time in front of the computer and counting how many events players play.... is really not healthy.

and its not good to pretend you know pro's life since you are really just the average tieba user.
Doesn't matter. Your attitude tells me you have yet again been hard-countered.
 
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Doesn't matter. Your attitude tells me you have yet again been hard-countered.
nope, I really just think you wasting your time by typing essays to me.
I am just being kind and telling you to don't waste your time.

imagine one day you on your deathbed, and you look back at your life and the hours wasted typing things that no one wants to read.

have you found 1 person that wants to read your essays?
 
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