China Smash 2025

[NextLevel]

So Yuan Licen is a CNT member when he plays in China at least....

 

[NextLevel]

I am not sure which is more powerful, Chen Junsong's forehand or the Chinese fans' screaming. Harimoto might be overwhlemed by the blows of both.

 

[NextLevel]

I am not sure which is more powerful, Chen Junsong's forehand or the Chinese fans' screaming. Harimoto might be overwhlemed by the blows of both.

Down goes Harimoto - he might have been able to handle one or the other but not both.

 

[zeio]

MS R64
Chen Junsong 3-2 Harimoto (-8, 10, 8, -8, 9)
G5 59, 119, 6 in a row for CJS!

 

[NextLevel]

MS R64
Chen Junsong 3-2 Harimoto (-8, 10, 8, -8, 9)
G5 59, 119, 6 in a row for CJS!

CJS and the crowd. Don't forget the crowd.

 

[zeio]

WS R64
Samara 2-3 Yeh Yi-Tian (-7, 2, -5, 10, -9)
YYT had multiple match points in G4 and was down for much of G5.

 

[zeio]

Quite surprising to see Matelova get a retirement ceremony in China, given the strain between the 2 countries...

 

[fore.n.back]

MS R64
Chen Junsong 3-2 Harimoto (-8, 10, 8, -8, 9)
G5 59, 119, 6 in a row for CJS!

Watching Harimoto using his forehand is just a sore to the eye, makes you really wonder how much he has to compensate to be able to stand in the top 10

 

[TensorBackhand]

Watching Harimoto using his forehand is just a sore to the eye, makes you really wonder how much he has to compensate to be able to stand in the top 10

But but but...the TTD experts said that Harimoto doesn't need to mature his style and that he should just use his crab style and stand in the middle of the table and wait for his opponent to make errors.

Actually you have to give Harimoto a lot of credit. Since he has the magic technique to "make his opponent have unforced errors", he obviously chose not to use it. Even when he leads 9-5 in the deciding game, he decides he wants to beat his opponent at full strength. So he just stood in the middle of the table, and refused to "make his opponent have unforced errors". Instead, Chen Junsong hit some winners and came back to win the match. You have to admire such a noble sportsman.

 

[TTLOVE]

I really don't understand Harimoto's forehand technique.

Despite making a wide movement and using well with his legs, he doesn't generate enough power.

His top spin is surprisingly weak in prolonged rallies.

In fact, he probably has the weakest forehand on the Japanese team.

Togami, on the other hand, is the opposite.

Wang Chuqin has a big swing similar to Harimoto's, but the quality of his shots is much higher.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I really don't understand Harimoto's forehand technique.

Despite making a wide movement and using well with his legs, he doesn't generate enough power.

His top spin is surprisingly weak in prolonged rallies.

In fact, he probably has the weakest forehand on the Japanese team.

Togami, on the other hand, is the opposite.

Wang Chuqin has a big swing similar to Harimoto's, but the quality of his shots is much higher.

WCQ has been training on slow Chinese rubbers all his life, so he knows how to generate power from his own technique.

Harimoto has been using tension rubber all his life, so the rubber does a lot of work for him. He had a lot of success at a young age, so he kept his youth style and never really matured.

I'm curious what would happen if you lock Harimoto in a room for 6 months and give him H3 on FH and Sriver on BH. Since he can't generate speed or spin on the bh, would he be like an AI and force himself to generate power on the FH side to win points.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

WCQ has been training on slow Chinese rubbers all his life, so he knows how to generate power from his own technique.

Harimoto has been using tension rubber all his life, so the rubber does a lot of work for him. He had a lot of success at a young age, so he kept his youth style and never really matured.

this is why you can't let technique flawed people comment on equipment.
H3 slow rubber?
tension rubber does all the work?
all these are signs of beginner level talk, basically surface level talks and no knowledge of gears.

I'm curious what would happen if you lock Harimoto in a room for 6 months and give him H3 on FH and Sriver on BH. Since he can't generate speed or spin on the bh, would he be like an AI and force himself to generate power on the FH side to win points.

One of the most physical strong athletes I know tried H3 for 1 year and failed.
His name is Dima.
A work horse in the German national team and train double the hours of what Timo does.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Kanak taking undue risks and getting punished. Togami and Hugo are precisely the kinds of players Kanak needs to beat to be a true top level contender. Still a bit far from the goal.

Even if they haven't met head to head he has trained with Togami and is familiar with his game, so wouldn't say those risks were undue, they just didn't work out this time.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

this is why you can't let technique flawed people comment on equipment.
H3 slow rubber?
tension rubber does all the work?
all these are signs of beginner level talk, basically surface level talks and no knowledge of gears.


One of the most physical strong athletes I know tried H3 for 1 year and failed.
His name is Dima.
A work horse in the German national team and train double the hours of what Timo does.

Yeah, using tension rubbers for your entire career and early career makes it impossible for you to learn how to gain power. Just look at Hugo and Aruna, powerless tension rubber users.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Ah yes, here come all the excellent TTD experts. I love the self-delusion.

"Harimoto should stand parallel in the center of the table and use crab style"
"Harimoto has magic ability to make opponent have unforced error"
"Harimoto has great power and technique on his forehand"
"Unboosted H3 is not slower than tension rubbers and is just as easy to use" also "H3 was too hard to use for top physical pro named Dima"

Brilliant analysis folks.

Despite being named "talent of the century" by Japanese media, every time I look up I see him losing to players outside the top 5.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Ah yes, here come all the excellent TTD experts. I love the self-delusion.

And you are what besides a 1700-1800 equipment junkie that has never once spoken to an actual professional player or coach?

 

[TensorBackhand]

And you are what besides a 1700-1800 equipment junkie that has never once spoken to an actual professional player or coach?

I don't claim to be an expert or behave condescending to other board members. Just like TTLove or fore.n.black, I simply observe the matches and give my observations. I could be right, I could be wrong. Everybody else is free to their own opinion. I'm just a guy who enjoys the game and started playing a few years ago with no coaching or real training.

You on the other hand act superior, constantly demean others, call out other people's ratings (as if they don't have the right to an opinion). And yet, you always come out wrong. Harimoto keeps losing, people keep observing (correctly imo) that his forehand and general style are weak.

 

[zeio]

Watching Harimoto using his forehand is just a sore to the eye, makes you really wonder how much he has to compensate to be able to stand in the top 10

LOL

Chen Junsong: Harimoto was quite cocky after beating WCQ previously...
https://weibo.com/6320391439/Q6Qpwgt9m
咪咕体育
25-9-29 20:42
来自 微博视频号
已编辑
#陈俊菘回应战胜张本智和##陈俊菘说张本智和之前比较嚣张#

咪咕赛后独家内容，陈俊菘：张本智和之前赢完头哥后比较嚣张，这场之后能帮中国队提点士气，不论遇到多少困难，就想赢他就想拼他。 自己想好技战术，把自己的东西发挥出来，第五局抓到张本的心理了，赢下了比赛非常开心，感谢队伍给我这个机会，感谢粉丝们为我加油。

#陈俊菘3比2张本智和# 网页链接

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小陈原来看不惯张本鬼子嚣张的嘴脸才努力拼的，好样的
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10083492299
好了 我又要回归辱追了
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10083405191
张本其实输小皮子在武器库的单一性问题上，连续一轮游
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10083577608
我撤回F4踢出台林的言论
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10083529070

薛飞零比三输松岛辉空，我的看法
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10079678516

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Well no Japanese player in the 21st century has a better international track record in singles.
Mizutani still hold 10 national champs while Harimoto is stuck at 2, Mizutani is an olympic champ but only at mixed doubles. Harimoto won ITTF Grand finals, a WTT champions event, many other WTT events, including 2 Japan opens where he defeated the 2 best Chinese players, the first one he wasnt even 15 and he beated the 2 grand slam winners ZJK had already completed it, Ma Long still on his way..., he beated 2 chinese players in a world champ final... Many finals and semifinals. its difficult to believe he's been on the circuit almost a decade but he's still only 22 and has still a lot of time ahead if no injuries.

his performance is not consistent between different tournaments but he's not a one-match wonder. he proved many times he can be on fire for a whole tournament and beat everyone. and not small events but the biggest ones.

 

[TensorBackhand]

LOL

Chen Junsong: Harimoto was quite cocky after beating WCQ previously...
https://weibo.com/6320391439/Q6Qpwgt9m
咪咕体育
25-9-29 20:42
来自 微博视频号
已编辑
#陈俊菘回应战胜张本智和##陈俊菘说张本智和之前比较嚣张#

咪咕赛后独家内容，陈俊菘：张本智和之前赢完头哥后比较嚣张，这场之后能帮中国队提点士气，不论遇到多少困难，就想赢他就想拼他。 自己想好技战术，把自己的东西发挥出来，第五局抓到张本的心理了，赢下了比赛非常开心，感谢队伍给我这个机会，感谢粉丝们为我加油。

#陈俊菘3比2张本智和# 网页链接

---

小陈原来看不惯张本鬼子嚣张的嘴脸才努力拼的，好样的
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10083492299
好了 我又要回归辱追了
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10083405191
张本其实输小皮子在武器库的单一性问题上，连续一轮游
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10083577608

Exactly. Harimoto got cocky along with TTD experts. He had 1 lucky match where WCQ honestly played terrible and kept making unforced errors. TTD experts claimed that Harimoto suddenly had magic ability to "make WCQ have unforced errors".

From what I saw, Harimoto that lost to FZD at Olympics would've easily beaten the Harimoto that won against WCQ at Japan smash.

Harimoto seems like he refuses to evolve and mature his style. His cockiness will prevent him from reaching his potential.