Help with glueing on Xiom Hugo HAL

[Novarac23]

Hi friends! So I recently bought a Xiom HUGO HAL blade to try out for my "new season" (after I finish with the two upcoming tournaments I have). I purchased the blade from tt11 (never had issues with them) but after trying to glue fresh set of rubbers (G1/C1) 3 times, the rubbers just won't properly stick to it. (used standard glueing procedure and revolution 3 glue). I talked to both megaspin (who I bought rubbers from) and tt11 and they said everything should be normal. tt11 suggested to sand the blade a bit.

Interesting thing is the blade was not pre sealed in any shape or form. I also glued plenty of bty sealed blades and it was fine. Would love to hear everyones thoughts on what to do If sanding is the way, I'm assuming a super fine sand paper? Appreciate your input!

 

[tzifos]

Yes, a bit of sanding with a 400 degree sand paper and also some books as a weight for a few hours after the new glue job will do the trick.

 

[Novarac23]

cool i'll do that. How long do you sand it for? I never sanded a blade before, usually rough wood or something until it becomes smooth so not sure how long to do it for (wood is already smooth.

 

[tzifos]

Just 4-5 passes all and all without much pressure with direction from the handle to the top of the blade.

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

I would consider removing the black rubber and seeing if you can get most of glue residue out of sponge without tearing it up too much (rubbing finger and pulling depending on which method works better with less damage to sponge). Then reglue that rubber with at least 2 layers on rubber and 1 on blade then leave weight on it overnight. If it turns out good you can consider doing the same for the red side. I haven't removed glue from a G1 so I don't know how easy/hard it is to do. Can add more layers of glue to pull off together but that can get out of hand quickly, be a bit wasteful, and it's not guaranteed to work.

 

[tzifos]

Note, after the sanding, use a damp cloth (just a few drops of water) to clean the blade from the dust before gluing.

 

[Tyce]

Some other ideas:
- do you let the glue fully dry?
- is it enough glue? new blades can absorb a ton of glue, check for dull, dry looking spots
- you could just have bad luck with the drying conditions, adding good pressure like a clamp or books right after application can help.

Also, when you pull off the rubber, does the glue come off the blade super easy? If so, then you know the adhesion issue has to do with the blade part. Try cleaning with an alcohol wipe if it's greasy, or sanding if it's just too slick.

 

[NextLevel]

Hi friends! So I recently bought a Xiom HUGO HAL blade to try out for my "new season" (after I finish with the two upcoming tournaments I have). I purchased the blade from tt11 (never had issues with them) but after trying to glue fresh set of rubbers (G1/C1) 3 times, the rubbers just won't properly stick to it. (used standard glueing procedure and revolution 3 glue). I talked to both megaspin (who I bought rubbers from) and tt11 and they said everything should be normal. tt11 suggested to sand the blade a bit.

Interesting thing is the blade was not pre sealed in any shape or form. I also glued plenty of bty sealed blades and it was fine. Would love to hear everyones thoughts on what to do If sanding is the way, I'm assuming a super fine sand paper? Appreciate your input!
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Don't sand anything. The most important thing about getting max adhesiveness from WBG is to let the glue dry on both the rubber and the blade until it is clear before trying to attach the rubber. It is common to use 1 layer of glue on blade and 2 on rubber, but 2 and 2 and 1 and 1 also work reasonably well. The adhesion comes from the drying and it attaches on contact, so you need to place the rubbers well. In my experience, if the glue layers are thin and well spread enough, even mistakes that leave slight lumps are still very playable but everyone's mileage may vary.


That said, when/if it isn't working it is best to completely remove all layers of glue on the rubber and the blade and start afresh. Inconsistent drying or just flowing of glue from one part of the blade to another can cause the problems you are showing but none of the problems are things that happen if you wait for the glue to dry on both the blade and the rubber and you spread the glue well over both.

Thoughts from someone who has glued and messed up gluing jobs in every way possible for over 14 years as an EJ. I also glued a Hugo recently.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Note, after the sanding, use a damp cloth (just a few drops of water) to clean the blade from the dust before gluing.

I just use a brush to brush it off.
bad ideal to have water or dampness on the blade.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Hi friends! So I recently bought a Xiom HUGO HAL blade to try out for my "new season" (after I finish with the two upcoming tournaments I have). I purchased the blade from tt11 (never had issues with them) but after trying to glue fresh set of rubbers (G1/C1) 3 times, the rubbers just won't properly stick to it. (used standard glueing procedure and revolution 3 glue). I talked to both megaspin (who I bought rubbers from) and tt11 and they said everything should be normal. tt11 suggested to sand the blade a bit.

Interesting thing is the blade was not pre sealed in any shape or form. I also glued plenty of bty sealed blades and it was fine. Would love to hear everyones thoughts on what to do If sanding is the way, I'm assuming a super fine sand paper? Appreciate your input!

from my experience in the equipment business (I have been selling TT equipment since 2012, and have been gluing my own gears since I was a kid), this is mostly from sealed blade. So it is weird if you did not order it to be sealed and this is happening.

I would also advise you to sand just briefly as @tzifos suggested.
This is to open up some pores and allow the glue to be sucked into the gap and that will create a better bond between blade and rubber.

Very seldom it is a gluing problem (assuming you do know how to glue and let it dry correctly) or glue is dead.

Since you have already glued rubbers before - maybe just change glues, as maybe the glue is at fault?

 

[NextLevel]

from my experience in the equipment business (I have been selling TT equipment since 2012, and have been gluing my own gears since I was a kid), this is mostly from sealed blade. So it is weird if you did not order it to be sealed and this is happening.

I would also advise you to sand just briefly as @tzifos suggested.
This is to open up some pores and allow the glue to be sucked into the gap and that will create a better bond between blade and rubber.

Very seldom it is a gluing problem (assuming you do know how to glue and let it dry correctly) or glue is dead.

Since you have already glued rubbers before - maybe just change glues, as maybe the glue is at fault?

It was actually reissued to many vendors. You can get one at many vendors now. Whether it is the same as the prior composition is debatable.

 

[Novarac23]

So one thing I am fairly confident in is the glue and the glueing process. I used the same glue two-ish weeks ago and been using it for 8ish monhts now on multiple paddles and it works well (its revolution 3 if I didn't mention it before). For the glueing process I legit tried everything I could think of:
* Try 2 layers on paddle and 2 layers on rubber
* Take off all the glue from the rubber before glueing it
* wait a little longer then usual (even though every time I try to put it on the glue was transulsent and looked good to be assembled)

So I'm fairly certain its the blade itself and sealing. The glue does come off super easy off the blade and there's no glue left on the blade surface. Which again, as Tryce mentioned, likely means its the blade itself. So I'm thinking try sanding the blade (scared to do it because I don't want to damage it and I never sanded a blade before) and / or trying my other yinhe glue that I have (bought it almost a year ago and used it for a bit before switching to revolution, it worked fine though).

So I've been told the blade is not sealed in factory but somehow this one is likely sealed? That is weird.

 

[NextLevel]

So one thing I am fairly confident in is the glue and the glueing process. I used the same glue two-ish weeks ago and been using it for 8ish monhts now on multiple paddles and it works well (its revolution 3 if I didn't mention it before). For the glueing process I legit tried everything I could think of:
* Try 2 layers on paddle and 2 layers on rubber
* Take off all the glue from the rubber before glueing it
* wait a little longer then usual (even though every time I try to put it on the glue was transulsent and looked good to be assembled)

So I'm fairly certain its the blade itself and sealing. The glue does come off super easy off the blade and there's no glue left on the blade surface. Which again, as Tryce mentioned, likely means its the blade itself. So I'm thinking try sanding the blade (scared to do it because I don't want to damage it and I never sanded a blade before) and / or trying my other yinhe glue that I have (bought it almost a year ago and used it for a bit before switching to revolution, it worked fine though).

So I've been told the blade is not sealed in factory but somehow this one is likely sealed? That is weird.

If you feel it is an adhesion problem of glue to blade, whether sealing is involved or not, lightly sanding helps. it isn't anything significant, it just makes the top ply a bit coarser. That said, I use Joola Lex glue and I had no problem gluing onto the Hugo. It's unfortunate that yours is sealed somehow.

 

[Novarac23]

If you feel it is an adhesion problem of glue to blade, whether sealing is involved or not, lightly sanding helps. it isn't anything significant, it just makes the top ply a bit coarser. That said, I use Joola Lex glue and I had no problem gluing onto the Hugo. It's unfortunate that yours is sealed somehow.

Yeah I'm actually very annoyed by this especilly because I bought a fresh two sheets just for this blade that I tried to reglue 3 times at this point.

On top of that I bought a FL handle because I thought for some reason I'm going to like it more then ST and it turns out I just really prefer ST handles (all of my other blades are ST). I'm sure I could get used to FL handle but I'm just so used ST handle shape. First world problems for sure though.

I'm talking to tt11 actually to see if I could send them back this blade and they can send me the ST handle one. Maybe have more luck with that one. If not I'll sand it lightly as you/folks suggested here.

 

[NextLevel]

Yeah I'm actually very annoyed by this especilly because I bought a fresh two sheets just for this blade that I tried to reglue 3 times at this point.

On top of that I bought a FL handle because I thought for some reason I'm going to like it more then ST and it turns out I just really prefer ST handles (all of my other blades are ST). I'm sure I could get used to FL handle but I'm just so used ST handle shape. First world problems for sure though.

I'm talking to tt11 actually to see if I could send them back this blade and they can send me the ST handle one. Maybe have more luck with that one. If not I'll sand it lightly as you/folks suggested here.

The one thing I had to dull was the wings - they hurt my hands for sure lol... good luck with it.

 

[Novarac23]

The one thing I had to dull was the wings - they hurt my hands for sure lol... good luck with it.

Thank you! I'm excited about this blade it felt amazing whenI tried it so hopefully can get it sorted out.

 

[NextLevel]

Thank you! I'm excited about this blade it felt amazing whenI tried it so hopefully can get it sorted out.

New or old?

 

[Novarac23]

New or old?

It was 4ish months old! So I assume from the "new" production batch!

 

[po-stit]

Did you manage to solve your problem? Im finding difficult to have my rubbers properlly glued to my HAL. Not as severe as your case but im finding that i need to glue again after two weeks or something. Last time i gave it a gentle sand and will see how it behaves from now.

 

[BobFL]

Just glued new rubbers on HAL. I used Free chack. The rubbers are glued on super tightly, literally as if they were welded. What kind of glue do you use?