tried out a clubmembers setup and now i am a bit confused

[Windkanal]

So i am experimenting a bit atm, especially with a lot of laying around stuff from me and friends.

Right now i am playing a Tibhar Stratus Powerwood with Fastarc G1 both sides. After i tried a clubmembers Primorac with Glayzer both sides yesterday, it left me a bit confused tbh.
The feel you got out of his setup and how effortless it was to play was insane lol. it was also way more ''lively'' ?

With my setup, i am developing a sort of love hate relationship sort of? on one side: i love the fastarc g1 quite often and its really nice to play. however sometimes i also kind of dislike the fastarcs for the simple fact how thick their topsheets are. you have to push forward into every single ball to activate that hard top rubber. it can lead to weird situations. and even tho they are very linear wich can be good, they make me feel like maybe a carbon blade would be better to get them up to speed. and i tried a friends carbon blade with G1s and it felt really nice aswell. better? i dont know. but it felt really nice.

The primorac i played with yesterday for a bit kind of had none of these issues to begin with? it was kind of fast enough for most things and it was so much easier to play somehow and it felt super soft??? like i literally felt the ball sinking into the rubber and stuff. the G1 can feel like a dead brick at times if you dont actively push through. even tho on paper the g1 shouldnt be overly hard... it feels so hard.

it kind of makes me reevaluate if i might not even like softer rubbers. man that primorac glayzer felt so cool to use

 

[longle]

remember this misconception: "everyone's blade feels better than your own"

 

[Windkanal]

remember this misconception: "everyone's blade feels better than your own"

i really hate those type of generalization quotes because they basically devalues everyones opinion. you re not even allowed to have thoughts or opinions when people throw stuff like ''the grass is always greener'' quotes at you. by that logic, everyone should do exactly the opposite of what they do.

you are allowed to like or dislike things.

 

[Tyce]

So here's a couple of things:
- Glayzer and G1 aren't wildly different in terms of hardness, BUT
- Butterfly Spring Sponge has a quite unique feeling of the ball digging in which is probably what you felt
- G1 is also pretty unique as you say, the topsheet is quite tough for a tensor-type

I think G1 can feel softer when it's well-backed but it's perfectly suitable for your blade.

So what's probably going on is when you try someone else's blade, you subconsciously test it with more power than average, because you want to feel what it's like. Also, since you know it's not about serious play, you don't play your serious strokes, safe ones etc.

Only when you play a bat for longer than a few hours will you start tuning in to what you don't like about it (unless your first impression is already negative lol) and maybe start holding back on strokes you don't fully trust - that's when the nature of a rubber that's around your correct hardness will switch from being engaged properly to just not.

So when you start feeling those strokes not digging in - loosen up, relax, play with better acceleration of your racket and the situation will stabilize.

Lastly, I do feel like Butterfly makes a really good product that helps you stay confident. But just think about how confident you can feel when you master a rubber like G1!

 

[Taute]

So i am experimenting a bit atm, especially with a lot of laying around stuff from me and friends.

Right now i am playing a Tibhar Stratus Powerwood with Fastarc G1 both sides. After i tried a clubmembers Primorac with Glayzer both sides yesterday, it left me a bit confused tbh.
The feel you got out of his setup and how effortless it was to play was insane lol. it was also way more ''lively'' ?

With my setup, i am developing a sort of love hate relationship sort of? on one side: i love the fastarc g1 quite often and its really nice to play. however sometimes i also kind of dislike the fastarcs for the simple fact how thick their topsheets are. you have to push forward into every single ball to activate that hard top rubber. it can lead to weird situations. and even tho they are very linear wich can be good, they make me feel like maybe a carbon blade would be better to get them up to speed. and i tried a friends carbon blade with G1s and it felt really nice aswell. better? i dont know. but it felt really nice.

The primorac i played with yesterday for a bit kind of had none of these issues to begin with? it was kind of fast enough for most things and it was so much easier to play somehow and it felt super soft??? like i literally felt the ball sinking into the rubber and stuff. the G1 can feel like a dead brick at times if you dont actively push through. even tho on paper the g1 shouldnt be overly hard... it feels so hard.

it kind of makes me reevaluate if i might not even like softer rubbers. man that primorac glayzer felt so cool to use

First of all, the difference between your and your clubmate's setup is too big: this applies to both the blade and the rubber. Primorac with Glayzer is "a whole head" higher than your setup. G1 was released in 2010, Glayzer - in 2023. Over the past 13 years, technology has changed significantly. Yes, for some, G1 may remain irreplaceable, but there are few of them left.
Speaking of blades: theoretically, you can play with a blade for 15 EUR, and 400+++ EUR. You will hit the ball with both. But the difference will be like night and day, unless you hold the racket in your hands on the first day. I will say this: I have tried and started with a blade for 20 EUR, and "got" to 300+ EUR.
Today I can play with both setups. But the difference is huge...
Ask clubmates who use more expensive blades and newer rubbers to try: you will see that the difference from what you have will be just as big there.

 

[Windkanal]

First of all, the difference between your and your clubmate's setup is too big: this applies to both the blade and the rubber. Primorac with Glayzer is "a whole head" higher than your setup. G1 was released in 2010, Glayzer - in 2023. Over the past 13 years, technology has changed significantly. Yes, for some, G1 may remain irreplaceable, but there are few of them left.
Speaking of blades: theoretically, you can play with a blade for 15 EUR, and 400+++ EUR. You will hit the ball with both. But the difference will be like night and day, unless you hold the racket in your hands on the first day. I will say this: I have tried and started with a blade for 20 EUR, and "got" to 300+ EUR.
Today I can play with both setups. But the difference is huge...
Ask clubmates who use more expensive blades and newer rubbers to try: you will see that the difference from what you have will be just as big there.

i am not sure if i would call SPW with G1 ''a whole head'' higher than a primorac glayzer tho.

 

[tzifos]

If I were you @Windkanal I would buy a Glayzer and put on one side of my racket. The good thing is that its price is quite nice, very close to G1 price and having one side with G1 and the other with Glayzer I would be able to feel the difference better and have plenty of time to find out the pros & cons of each rubber, on the same blade. This way you will be able to test it both on FH side and BH side.

 

[longle]

i really hate those type of generalization quotes because they basically devalues everyones opinion. you re not even allowed to have thoughts or opinions when people throw stuff like ''the grass is always greener'' quotes at you. by that logic, everyone should do exactly the opposite of what they do.

you are allowed to like or dislike things.

I know many people are tempted to try new combos, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, instead it's a good thing to refresh your passion in the sport (and help the brands also). What I mean is new combo "feels" great but doesn't mean it will help you play better. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. You have to play that combo in many matches to understand it, not just do practice strokes

 

[Airoc]

feel the difference better and have plenty of time to find out the pros & cons of each rubber, on the same blade. This way you will be able to test it both on FH side and BH side.

Very good idea.

 

[NetProphet]

i am not sure if i would call SPW with G1 ''a whole head'' higher than a primorac glayzer tho.

He didn't say that, he said the reverse, that Primorac with Glayzer is higher.

You've described the differences well, G1 rubber sponge combo) is harder and Gkayzer is just easier for you to use.
It seems you are confused around thinking there is a better blade to help you get more from your G1, am I correct here?
It's technique, not equipment that you need to change I reckon.
G1 is only medium hard in the grand scheme of things so if you don't hit fwd enough to activate that consistently then get coaching to improve your strokes or, if you don't want to do that, then get softer rubbers, sounds like they will immediately suit you better.
Rakza 7 is a great option.

 

[sebi]

I never tried G1. I come from Rozena, Dignics 05/09c and Tenergy. I have to say i was really suprised how good glaycer feels even glaycer 09c, both are very good rubbers.

 

[Windkanal]

He didn't say that, he said the reverse, that Primorac with Glayzer is higher.

You've described the differences well, G1 rubber sponge combo) is harder and Gkayzer is just easier for you to use.
It seems you are confused around thinking there is a better blade to help you get more from your G1, am I correct here?
It's technique, not equipment that you need to change I reckon.
G1 is only medium hard in the grand scheme of things so if you don't hit fwd enough to activate that consistently then get coaching to improve your strokes or, if you don't want to do that, then get softer rubbers, sounds like they will immediately suit you better.
Rakza 7 is a great option.

sry typing error. i mean the other way around. besides preference i highly doubt a primorac (wich is slower) with glayzers are ''a whole head higher'' (what ever that means) than fastarcs.

and that statement confuses me a bit because when i look online especially, i mostly get people who are rather meh about glayzer overall, while fastarcs are still considered one of the best rubbers you can buy, especially when you take durability into consideration on top.

i mean, its not as if we re comparing a Tenergy Setup to a prebuild racket here.

 

[Tyce]

There's not much of a difference between both setups. 13 years says nothing about the technology level, and even advanced technology can't just make a material like "rubber" behave significantly different while retaining a similar level of hardness.
Don't put too much thought into comments that exaggarate differences like that.

What you want is to reliably generate friction and engagement. That's either training and technical development, or something more forgiving that engages easier. Glayzer might be more forgiving there, but it's hard to say as you haven't been using it for matches.

 

[ttarc]

Not necessarily.
Primorac, Korbel and TSPW share the same construction. Korbel and TSPW being the faster ones but both have larger heads than Primorac.
Combined with heavier FastArcs the TSPW can feel slower than a lighter (Primorac + Glayzer) setup that can be accelerated faster.

 

[Taute]

sry typing error. i mean the other way around. besides preference i highly doubt a primorac (wich is slower) with glayzers are ''a whole head higher'' (what ever that means) than fastarcs.

and that statement confuses me a bit because when i look online especially, i mostly get people who are rather meh about glayzer overall, while fastarcs are still considered one of the best rubbers you can buy, especially when you take durability into consideration on top.

i mean, its not as if we re comparing a Tenergy Setup to a prebuild racket here.

Do you judge speed (I'm talking about blades, i.e. Tibhar and Primorac) from practice (trying), or from revspin "scraps"?

 

[Tyce]

For me it's trying, so I'm not sure why you are trying to ridicule me while I'm making a quite sensible point.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

So i am experimenting a bit atm, especially with a lot of laying around stuff from me and friends.

Right now i am playing a Tibhar Stratus Powerwood with Fastarc G1 both sides. After i tried a clubmembers Primorac with Glayzer both sides yesterday, it left me a bit confused tbh.
The feel you got out of his setup and how effortless it was to play was insane lol. it was also way more ''lively'' ?

With my setup, i am developing a sort of love hate relationship sort of? on one side: i love the fastarc g1 quite often and its really nice to play. however sometimes i also kind of dislike the fastarcs for the simple fact how thick their topsheets are. you have to push forward into every single ball to activate that hard top rubber. it can lead to weird situations. and even tho they are very linear wich can be good, they make me feel like maybe a carbon blade would be better to get them up to speed. and i tried a friends carbon blade with G1s and it felt really nice aswell. better? i dont know. but it felt really nice.

The primorac i played with yesterday for a bit kind of had none of these issues to begin with? it was kind of fast enough for most things and it was so much easier to play somehow and it felt super soft??? like i literally felt the ball sinking into the rubber and stuff. the G1 can feel like a dead brick at times if you dont actively push through. even tho on paper the g1 shouldnt be overly hard... it feels so hard.

it kind of makes me reevaluate if i might not even like softer rubbers. man that primorac glayzer felt so cool to use

All are equal, but some are more equal than others - George Orswell

Likewise some setup are more legit than others - anonymous butterfly fanboi.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The primorac i played with yesterday for a bit kind of had none of these issues to begin with? it was kind of fast enough for most things and it was so much easier to play somehow and it felt super soft??? like i literally felt the ball sinking into the rubber and stuff. the G1 can feel like a dead brick at times if you dont actively push through. even tho on paper the g1 shouldnt be overly hard... it feels so hard.

it kind of makes me reevaluate if i might not even like softer rubbers. man that primorac glayzer felt so cool to use

I suggest you try out softer rubbers

 

[Taute]

For me it's trying, so I'm not sure why you are trying to ridicule me while I'm making a quite sensible point.

Look...I don't agree with you at all here, and the idea that "13 years doesn't mean anything" seems ridiculous to me, don't be angry.
The ball changed in 2014–2016 (celluloid to ABS plastic), which lowered spin and speed compared to the old era. Rubbers released after that shift increasingly use high-friction topsheets and harder, denser sponges to recover spin, arc, and stability with the plastic ball. A 2010 rubber like Fastarc G-1 was tuned around the pre-plastic landscape; a 2023 release like Glayzer 09C is engineered for the plastic ball’s physics, so its baseline design choices are more compatible with modern play. Community comparisons echo this framing, often placing Glayzer 09C closer in feel to tacky-hybrid families (e.g., 09C) rather than classic grippy tensors.
Glayzer 09C uses a high-friction topsheet concept aligned with Butterfly’s “09C” lineage, which boosts slow-brush and open-up spin without relying solely on sponge catapult. Fastarc G-1’s classic grippy topsheet generates spin well, but it depends more on mechanical grip and speed-through-contact, making it less forgiving at low speed compared to modern friction topsheets.
With plastic balls, players often report better arc, spin retention, and counter stability from rubbers that emphasize topsheet friction and a more rigid base. Glayzer 09C targets that need; G-1, while still very playable, reflects the older “dynamic grip + speed” formula that can feel flatter in modern rally speeds. Fastarc G-1 isn’t “bad,” but it’s technologically older in its spin-generation approach. Glayzer 09C embodies modern design priorities—high-friction topsheet plus hard sponge—for the ABS ball era, yielding safer open-ups, more stable counters, and a higher spin ceiling for contemporary play

 

[Tyce]

Yeah I can understand when you say 09c, I assumed we were talking about the "05" version.