How to make the blades handle more rough?

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So with my blades, i usually prefer smooth edges and alike so i allways do a little sanding on handles. However with my Stratus Powerwood, i have overdone it quite hard lol. Its so smooth now, it could be the surface of some furniture piece or something like that lol. Its not just ''slippery'' but rather becomes ''sticky''? if thats the correct word? i dont know how to describe it. When you play and you sweat, it feels really kind of awkward on that smooth surface.

i tried taking some very rough sand paper to rough up that surface again but without success. no matter what i do, it stays that smooth.

any ideas how i can make it a little less smooth? i dont want to wrap the handle if i dont have to
 
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If the handle is sticky that can be a sign of debris build up on your handle. Over time, dirt, sweat, dead skin cells and sebum (an ingredient in human skin oil) can build up on the blade's handle.

If the sanding doesn't remove it, try washing the handle with a damp cloth and a few drops of washing up detergent. Don't get the handle too wet, as you don't want the blade's core to get wet. From the look of your handle there isn't a big build up of dirt, but maybe give it a very gentle clean anyway just in case.

It's also possible you're not using the right grit if sandpaper. Very coarse grit (ie: 40 to 80 grit) won't really do the job, as the gouges from the sand particles will be too large, and too deep. Try a 120 or 180 grit paper instead. I use 180 grit on the handles if my blades, as I find it provides the perfect balance point between a smooth and rough surface, and still provides excellent grip without feeling overly rough. Just be aware though your handle will also lose paint / dye in the process, as already appears to be happening. Avery light rub should be all that's required.

Don't go any smoother than 180 grit however, as then you're actually more likely to polish and harden the wood fibres. Grits of 240 or higher are finishing grade sand papers, and you may only end up burnishing the wood (depending on the species of timber)..

(NB: Given the shininess and hardness of the blade's handle you're describing, and given that most commercial blade handle scales are made with extremely cheap wood, it's entirely possible you might have already burnished the wood - especially if you were using finishing grade abrasives previously on your handle. In which case, definitely use some 180 grit sand paper to rough up the surface a bit, but don't press too hard, or sand on one spot for too long, otherwise you'll risk taking off too much wood, and altering the shape of the handle scales, which in turn will then affect both the flex and throw angle of your blade.

I would also recommend you try cleaning the handle before sanding it, as this should make the job a bit easier.

Good luck. Hope this helps 🙂
 
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If the handle is sticky that can be a sign of debris build up on your handle. Over time, dirt, sweat, dead skin cells and sebum (an ingredient in human skin oil) can build up on the blade's handle.

If the sanding doesn't remove it, try washing the handle with a damp cloth and a few drops of washing up detergent. Don't get the handle too wet, as you don't want the blade's core to get wet. From the look of your handle there isn't a big build up of dirt, but maybe give it a very gentle clean anyway just in case.

It's also possible you're not using the right grit if sandpaper. Very coarse grit (ie: 40 to 80 grit) won't really do the job, as the gouges from the sand particles will be too large, and too deep. Try a 120 or 180 grit paper instead. I use 180 grit on the handles if my blades, as I find it provides the perfect balance point between a smooth and rough surface, and still provides excellent grip without feeling overly rough. Just be aware though your handle will also lose paint / dye in the process, as already appears to be happening. Avery light rub should be all that's required.

Don't go any smoother than 180 grit however, as then you're actually more likely to polish and harden the wood fibres. Grits of 240 or higher are finishing grade sand papers, and you may only end up burnishing the wood (depending on the species of timber)..

(NB: Given the shininess and hardness of the blade's handle you're describing, and given that most commercial blade handle scales are made with extremely cheap wood, it's entirely possible you might have already burnished the wood - especially if you were using finishing grade abrasives previously on your handle. In which case, definitely use some 180 grit sand paper to rough up the surface a bit, but don't press too hard, or sand on one spot for too long, otherwise you'll risk taking off too much wood, and altering the shape of the handle scales, which in turn will then affect both the flex and throw angle of your blade.

I would also recommend you try cleaning the handle before sanding it, as this should make the job a bit easier.

Good luck. Hope this helps 🙂

i think you dont actually understand what i mean. it is not ''STICKY STICKY'' in the sense of it being ACTUALLY sticky. but it FEELS lke that because i did actually exactly that:

using sandpaper way finer than 180. i went down all the way to 600. so the griff is so smooth polished that even tiny bits of sweat make the handle feel sticky in the same way... if you put 1 drop of water in between 2 pieces of glass.. they will stick together. that doesnt mean that the glass is actually sticky however
 
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i think you dont actually understand what i mean. it is not ''STICKY STICKY'' in the sense of it being ACTUALLY sticky. but it FEELS lke that because i did actually exactly that:

using sandpaper way finer than 180. i went down all the way to 600. so the griff is so smooth polished that even tiny bits of sweat make the handle feel sticky in the same way... if you put 1 drop of water in between 2 pieces of glass.. they will stick together. that doesnt mean that the glass is actually sticky however
If you went to 600 grit (and stepped down to that grit properly from higher grit papers i.e: 120 > 180 > 240> 400> 600 grit) then you've almost certainly burnished the wood in the process.

To explain: All Wood comprises of largely the same three polymers: cellulose, hemicellulose, and lignin. Cellulose and hemicellulose fibers in the cellular walls provide the longitudinal and transverse strength the tree needs to stand up, while lignin basically acts as an extra cellular matrix binding the various strands of cellulose and hemicellulose together.

Chemically speaking, lignin is a phenolic precursor that in the presence of abrasive heat will act slightly similar to sugar - i.e. it melts and flows into microscopic gaps inbetween wood fibres (or between wood tracheids if it's a softwood), and then crystallises as it cools, much like caramel does. The abrasive action of the sand paper meanwhile has also fractured and damaged some of the outermost strands of cellulose and hemicellulose , which have them blended with the lignin to form a hard shiny shell on the outside of the wood, of indeterminate thickness. Or in other words, the outer layer of the wood ow resembles something a lot closer to baked mud bricks or a ceramic like porcelain, rather than regular wood.

If your handle scale's wood species is a particularly resinous softwood (or else a hardwood with high levels of oils and/or extractives to it) then these could have also combined with the burnished wood surface on the outside of your handle, making it even harder.

Essentially you've heat treated your handle scales to the point you've radically changed their density. That is an irreversible process unless you're willing to soak your handle in boiling caustic water until the lignin dissolves and leaches out of the timber, or else sand the stuff away again.

Additionally, as you went down to a 600 grit sand paper (which with unvarnished / unfinished timber is frankly just overkill) then there are also now a series of thousands and thousands of tiny microscopic scratches in the hard shell-like surface of the burnished wood,, that just happen to be the right diameter for capillary action to occur between the hardened wood and the sweat of your hands.

To explain: when a hard smooth surface (like fiberglass resin or burnished wood) is covered with small microscopic scratches, it has the effect of becoming like a magnet for water. When such surfaces get wet, a very thin film of water becomes trapped in the microscopic scratches,and is actually drawn up towards the wood and clings to it through the water's surface tension. Back when I was sailing and match racing competitively, we would use 400 grits and paper to sand the gel coat and/or antifouling of our boat's fibreglass hull, in order to reduce hydrodynamic drag, and get extra boat speed out of our sailing vessel through capillary action.

Basically, the thin scratches constantly held a thin film of water, and water running over water provides less drag than water running over gel coat or antifouling.

In terms of your blade, the water of your sweat is the right viscosity to be drawn up into the microscopic scratches, whereas the oil, sebum and dead skin cells from your hands are not. As a result, the sweat of your hands is actually chemically separating into its various components, through capillary action acting almost like a filter just for water.

A thin water film on its own would normally make your handle slippery, as well-burnished wood is much more hydrophobic than regular wood (ie it repels water). However, because there is also oil, sebum and dead skin cells in sweat, these items are being partially seperated out of your sweat by capillary action... Which is why your handle feels sticky, even in the absence of anything one might normally consider as adhesive.

My advice: try re-sending the handle with 180 grit, to try and break down or remove the hard shell of burnished timber. Depending on how thick and hard the burnished and densified/heat treated timber now is, this might be either very easy to do, or else extremely difficult.

Best case scenario: the layer of burnished wood is less than a millimetre thick, and is roughly the consistency and thickness of a boiled eggshell. It can therefore be sanded off without sacrificing too much wood.

Worst case scenario: the handle scales have been burnished to the point that removing the burnished wood will require removing far too much of the regular fineline timber from the handle scales. In which case, your only remaining option is to probably add grip tape to compensate for all the wood you lost from the handle through sanding the burnished wood away. Most likely however you will then need to change the handle scales entirely in order to get the blade's flex levels and throw angle back to their original state... Either that or try just wear a golfing glove on your playing hand, or using rosin on your hands, both of which should help compensate for the unpleasant playing feel of the burnished timber.

Good luck.
 
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After sanding, as @Wakkibatty correctly noted, you'll likely lose some thickness on the handles. There's a way to restore this thickness. To do this, remove the handle halves using a utility knife and a heat gun. It's a good idea to heat them thoroughly to soften the glue holding the handles. Then, glue the veneer to these halves and glue the handles back in place. The standard veneer thickness is 0.6 mm, so you'll add 1.2 mm, which should be enough.
Before gluing, you can place the halves of the handles with veneer on the blade to test how it will feel in your hand; maybe you need to add or subtract something.
 
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Don't skimp on the heat! It doesn't have to be excessively hot, but it has to be warmed up all over. Your result will be much less clean if you don't use it.
I have used a hair dryer and if applied evenly and thoroughly it's enough.
It depends greatly on the glue. Almost all chinese rackets are glued with PVA, and they don't have any problems with heat—PVA softens easily. Butterfly uses a different glue, but it's also easily removable. Xiom uses cyanoacrylate glue, which is virtually unaffected by heat, only acetone and a lot of patience.
 
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It depends greatly on the glue. Almost all chinese rackets are glued with PVA, and they don't have any problems with heat—PVA softens easily. Butterfly uses a different glue, but it's also easily removable. Xiom uses cyanoacrylate glue, which is virtually unaffected by heat, only acetone and a lot of patience.
Nittaku must use this XIOM glue also.
I removed the handle sides from a Nittaku Acoustic and it was murder, even with heat they did not want to come off!
The veneers worked well though and the handle is much better now, the standard Nittaku handle is quite small.
 
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If you went to 600 grit (and stepped down to that grit properly from higher grit papers i.e: 120 > 180 > 240> 400> 600 grit) then you've almost certainly burnished the wood in the process.

To explain: All Wood comprises of largely the same three polymers: cellulose, hemicellulose, and lignin. Cellulose and hemicellulose fibers in the cellular walls provide the longitudinal and transverse strength the tree needs to stand up, while lignin basically acts as an extra cellular matrix binding the various strands of cellulose and hemicellulose together.

Chemically speaking, lignin is a phenolic precursor that in the presence of abrasive heat will act slightly similar to sugar - i.e. it melts and flows into microscopic gaps inbetween wood fibres (or between wood tracheids if it's a softwood), and then crystallises as it cools, much like caramel does. The abrasive action of the sand paper meanwhile has also fractured and damaged some of the outermost strands of cellulose and hemicellulose , which have them blended with the lignin to form a hard shiny shell on the outside of the wood, of indeterminate thickness. Or in other words, the outer layer of the wood ow resembles something a lot closer to baked mud bricks or a ceramic like porcelain, rather than regular wood.

If your handle scale's wood species is a particularly resinous softwood (or else a hardwood with high levels of oils and/or extractives to it) then these could have also combined with the burnished wood surface on the outside of your handle, making it even harder.

Essentially you've heat treated your handle scales to the point you've radically changed their density. That is an irreversible process unless you're willing to soak your handle in boiling caustic water until the lignin dissolves and leaches out of the timber, or else sand the stuff away again.

Additionally, as you went down to a 600 grit sand paper (which with unvarnished / unfinished timber is frankly just overkill) then there are also now a series of thousands and thousands of tiny microscopic scratches in the hard shell-like surface of the burnished wood,, that just happen to be the right diameter for capillary action to occur between the hardened wood and the sweat of your hands.

To explain: when a hard smooth surface (like fiberglass resin or burnished wood) is covered with small microscopic scratches, it has the effect of becoming like a magnet for water. When such surfaces get wet, a very thin film of water becomes trapped in the microscopic scratches,and is actually drawn up towards the wood and clings to it through the water's surface tension. Back when I was sailing and match racing competitively, we would use 400 grits and paper to sand the gel coat and/or antifouling of our boat's fibreglass hull, in order to reduce hydrodynamic drag, and get extra boat speed out of our sailing vessel through capillary action.

Basically, the thin scratches constantly held a thin film of water, and water running over water provides less drag than water running over gel coat or antifouling.

In terms of your blade, the water of your sweat is the right viscosity to be drawn up into the microscopic scratches, whereas the oil, sebum and dead skin cells from your hands are not. As a result, the sweat of your hands is actually chemically separating into its various components, through capillary action acting almost like a filter just for water.

A thin water film on its own would normally make your handle slippery, as well-burnished wood is much more hydrophobic than regular wood (ie it repels water). However, because there is also oil, sebum and dead skin cells in sweat, these items are being partially seperated out of your sweat by capillary action... Which is why your handle feels sticky, even in the absence of anything one might normally consider as adhesive.

My advice: try re-sending the handle with 180 grit, to try and break down or remove the hard shell of burnished timber. Depending on how thick and hard the burnished and densified/heat treated timber now is, this might be either very easy to do, or else extremely difficult.

Best case scenario: the layer of burnished wood is less than a millimetre thick, and is roughly the consistency and thickness of a boiled eggshell. It can therefore be sanded off without sacrificing too much wood.

Worst case scenario: the handle scales have been burnished to the point that removing the burnished wood will require removing far too much of the regular fineline timber from the handle scales. In which case, your only remaining option is to probably add grip tape to compensate for all the wood you lost from the handle through sanding the burnished wood away. Most likely however you will then need to change the handle scales entirely in order to get the blade's flex levels and throw angle back to their original state... Either that or try just wear a golfing glove on your playing hand, or using rosin on your hands, both of which should help compensate for the unpleasant playing feel of the burnished timber.

Good luck.
Factory handles are made of fineline - painted veneers that are glued together. I think the stickiness has more to do with this glue than lignin. I have a blade with a handle made of a whole piece of natural walnut, which is polished to a shine, but it is not sticky at all.
 
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Factory handles are made of fineline - painted veneers that are glued together. I think the stickiness has more to do with this glue than lignin. I have a blade with a handle made of a whole piece of natural walnut, which is polished to a shine, but it is not sticky at all.

just no. but thanks that you think it has to do with x without ever taking my handle into your hands. when i tell you it is because i smoothed it too fine, you can trust me that its actually really because i just smoothed it too fine.
otherwise i wouldnt say that in the first place.

and trust me, i know, because i have to use my setup hours every day. and it has nothing to do with glue lol
 
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