use outer carbon.... DO IT NOW !!!

[the-don]

you agree with zhang jike or nah?

 

[Chunkyrock]

(this is coming from a person who plays at the club level) In my experience I have had no problems with the durability of inner carbon

 

[ShakehandJpenCpenEnjoyer]

No. I'm a beginner, who just started playing in the club for 6 months, i got a Loki W81 Outer as a gift. I paired with Sanwei t88 iii (cheap rubber yes, but should be ok for a newbie like me).
I cannot control it. I feel very minimal feedback from the blade, so i don't know where the ball is hitting or how strong did i hit he ball. Either this answer the question that outer is bad for beginners, or my blade is from a bad batch.

I do not have this problem while playing with Donic Anders Lind Inner nor any pure wood blades.

 

[Dr Evil]

He said his advice is for higher level players, and if you don't mind frequent changes (i.e., because you train 6 hours per day, re-glue new rubber every week, and so wear out blades fast) inner carbon is fine.

 

[Lazer]

You can’t compare 99.9% of the players on this forum with guys like this. So from my point of view … ha ha…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[ShakehandJpenCpenEnjoyer]

He said his advice is for higher level players, and if you don't mind frequent changes (i.e., because you train 6 hours per day, re-glue new rubber every week, and so wear out blades fast) inner carbon is fine.

Whoops hahaha. Definitely not for me then.
Btw, why can changing rubber frequently wear out inner blade faster than outter?

 

[Tyce]

ZJK says outer carbon, yet the rest of the top Chinese play some variation of W968.
I get the point about durability, and that no two blades are the same, but he's being overly sensitive to this.

 

[Dr Evil]

Whoops hahaha. Definitely not for me then.
Btw, why can changing rubber frequently wear out inner blade faster than outter?

Changing the rubber (using water-based glue) will likely have similar effects on both inner and outer carbon. It's just that more flexible blades (as inner carbon blades usually are) tend to wear out more quickly because they bend more, which imposes greater micro-strain on the wood structure and glue lines. Application of water-based glue simply accelerates the process via repeated expansion-contraction cycles that also stress the wood and glue joints.

 

[NextLevel]

ZJK says outer carbon, yet the rest of the top Chinese play some variation of W968.
I get the point about durability, and that no two blades are the same, but he's being overly sensitive to this.

They get their blades from sponsors who replicate and quality control. If you are gluing a lot, moisture is a problem for wood and that affects the consistency of inner force more than outer force.

 

[igorponger]

Heh, outer carbon? What a folly it is, sheer folly by a dumbass. The Racket rule 2.4.2 does forbid plastics as outer layer of blades.
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Be erudite of everything

 

[Kopp]

Depends on your play style, allwood blades still work great for me 😅

 

[greenbeanmachine]

If you play with a hardwood blade like YEO or Rosewood, this is even more resistant to moisture than the koto outer layer of a Viscaria. My YEO is 10 years old with no sign of moisture damage. Therefore everyone should switch to hardwood.

 

[mamedium]

If you play with a hardwood blade like YEO or Rosewood, this is even more resistant to moisture than the koto outer layer of a Viscaria. My YEO is 10 years old with no sign of moisture damage. Therefore everyone should switch to hardwood.

everyone?
Ma Long uses inner limba - should he switch now or is it too late?

 

[piligrim]

everyone?
Ma Long uses inner limba - should he switch now or is it too late?

He didn't retire?

 

[Chunkyrock]

He didn't retire?

Not in our hearts

 

[PhoenixTT]

Changing the rubber (using water-based glue) will likely have similar effects on both inner and outer carbon. It's just that more flexible blades (as inner carbon blades usually are) tend to wear out more quickly because they bend more, which imposes greater micro-strain on the wood structure and glue lines. Application of water-based glue simply accelerates the process via repeated expansion-contraction cycles that also stress the wood and glue joints.

Not sure if this is what ZJK was talking about, but it's certainly better than the no explanation he gave.

Still, why would an inner carbon flex more than outer ones? (This is a question, not a disagreement).

My rudimentary understanding is that the location of the composite material affects the 'feel' of hitting the ball, but not the flexibility (the bendiness of the whole blade). Both versions form a sandwich of layers glued together, so why would the location of the composite material make one more flexible than the other.

 

[Dr Evil]

...why would an inner carbon flex more than outer ones?

Because when a blade bends, the outermost layers experience the most strain (tension/compression), so the closer to the surface you place the stiff carbon layer the more it resists bending. Bending stiffness of a material increases rapidly with distance from the center, so all else equal (same materials, ply thickness, etc.), an outer carbon blade can be considerably stiffer than an otherwise identical inner carbon.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

The G.O.A.T. says no GIRLIE Blade!

 

[lodro]

Because when a blade bends, the outermost layers experience the most strain (tension/compression), so the closer to the surface you place the stiff carbon layer the more it resists bending. Bending stiffness of a material increases rapidly with distance from the center, so all else equal (same materials, ply thickness, etc.), an outer carbon blade can be considerably stiffer than an otherwise identical inner carbon.

while the interpretation is technically correct a blade does not really bends itself around our plastic-balls that much that it would have a great destructive effect.

 

[lodro]

Heh, outer carbon? What a folly it is, sheer folly by a dumbass. The Racket rule 2.4.2 does forbid plastics as outer layer of blades.
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Be erudite of everything

😂
😂 😂 😂 😂 I think this time it is YOU who might be the dumbass. Everybody except you understands that when talking about "outer" we know that the carbon is directly UNDER the most outer wood veneer.


Having said that, blades that have carbon as the outer layer do exist and can be purchased, they also sell 500gr heavy steel blades. aluminum blades and stainless steel blades