Butterfly Zyre 03

[rbtitco]

strange is it not?

Here we have 43 pages of posting on Zyre03 and yet a similar product that came up a few years ago by Andro ( Rasenter EC series ) has hardly any mention. This is the power of branding.

Not really, its the power of pros winning with zyre, that didnt happen with the Andro rubber.

 

[boretennis]

Not really, its the power of pros winning with zyre, that didnt happen with the Andro rubber.

which pros playing andro would have better results if they played zyre?

 

[Topspinslinger]

NUZN 55 is pretty great for Andro top players, after boosting it is a top line rubber. Same requires with dignics 09c. Fun fact, if you saw timo with his 09c in person you know for sure that isn't a standard unboosted one🌝

Zyre 03 is already fast, boosting it doesn't make sense in my opinion.

Must add that a stiga sponsor player I know used DNA when it came out and boosted the heck out of it. Both Pro and Platinum. DNA is not tacky but it did increase spin alot!

Would the spin increase with zyre after boosting?

 

[NextLevel]

NUZN 55 is pretty great for Andro top players, after boosting it is a top line rubber. Same requires with dignics 09c. Fun fact, if you saw timo with his 09c in person you know for sure that isn't a standard unboosted one🌝

Zyre 03 is already fast, boosting it doesn't make sense in my opinion.

Must add that a stiga sponsor player I know used DNA when it came out and boosted the heck out of it. Both Pro and Platinum. DNA is not tacky but it did increase spin alot!

Would the spin increase with zyre after boosting?

Many players I am acquainted with including professionals have boosted it with no complaints and even some enthusiasm. I just don't boost, too much hassle for me since I like my rubber performance consistent more than high, but got nothing against anyone who does, if I was a serious player, I would probably do it.

 

[rbtitco]

which pros playing andro would have better results if they played zyre?

Not sure. Also not sure sure what Rasanter has to do with Zyre anyway.... I dont understand half of whats written in this thread. People are saying it has no spin? When i hit with it, i experienced massive spin. It was seriously fast and had no annoying tensor bounce. It had a lot going for it, but the issue, for me, was the lack of dwell feel. It would take a lot of time to get comfortable with it and i dont want to bother w/ that. It does seem good as a bh rubber tho.
Its a distinct feel that you either like or dont.

 

[NextLevel]

which pros playing andro would have better results if they played zyre?

I read his statement differently from you, his point is that Zyre is getting pros good results, so it is a good rubber just from that perspective. If the Andro rubber using the same tech also got its users good results, then it would be popular as well. And NUZN is getting pros good results and is doing well as well (Bruna is using it on forehand and backhand - as an aside, it would be funny after all the speculation related to Hugo that he leaves Xiom for Andro lol....)

Most of the complaints about Zyre 03 come from the perspective of people who did not like how they played with it vs. some other (Dignics) rubber, usually 09c or 05. This is a very individual thing. And there are reasons why even after a lot of practice, one might not like it. After all, quite a few pro players who used it went back to D05 for some reason or the other (LYJ and Adrianna Diaz are my most notable examples). On the other hand, some doubled down and started using it on forehand as well as backhand (Harimoto and Ovctharov). Even Dima noted that it slips a bit (not sure whether he was comparing to 09c or 05), but he didn't use that to denigrate the quality and performance of the rubber in any serious way given he is now using it on both sides.

 

[AndySmith]

It is a marmite rubber. If marmite cost £90 a jar. Best advice is to try someone else's setup if you can before you purchase.

I've seen some incredible play with it locally - when it works for a player, it really works. But very much NOT a one size fits all. The Dang Qiu comments were interesting I thought - he prefers 09c, and there will be players who won't feel any advantage to switch.

 

[NextLevel]

It is a marmite rubber. If marmite cost £90 a jar. Best advice is to try someone else's setup if you can before you purchase.

I've seen some incredible play with it locally - when it works for a player, it really works. But very much NOT a one size fits all. The Dang Qiu comments were interesting I thought - he prefers 09c, and there will be players who won't feel any advantage to switch.

Which Dang Qiu comments are you referring to, you mean the Kanak interview?

 

[AndySmith]

Which Dang Qiu comments are you referring to, you mean the Kanak interview?

Yes. Old news I know.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Zyre03 at USD 74.50.

Gozo is in Santa's good list!

 

[IB66]

This week I have been attending a course run by Tom Lodziak. One of the additional coaches, Martin is a very good player, even though he has some health issues he plays in France as well as the UK at a high level.
During lunch break he came over and asked if he could try my bat with Z03. So we hit a few balls FH topspin. His set up was an inner carbon blade with J&H C55/57. The Z03 on the all wood SDC Primorac clone, was faster with as much if not more spin. He was pretty impressed, his topspin was effortless and he commented how easy it was to generate the speed and spin.
He handed the bat back and asked if I would play some FH v chopping, he enjoys chopping!! 5 mins later and I was knackered!! His chop is heavy, I could maybe get 2 or 3 back onto the table in a row at best!!( he was using his bat). I said he should try the Z03, he looked a little doubtful but gave it a go, compared to the chops with his set up the chops with Z03 were basically pure evil 👿!! Faster, lower, skidding through and loaded with spin!! He kept looking at the bat with an expression of ’WOW’ & a big cheesy grin. He compared it to being more like a chop smash!! Nasty, nasty!!

So the last few weeks I’ve put the Z03 on the SDC defensive blade ( circa 965Hz), SDC Hinoki blade (circa 1070Hz) and the Primorac all wood clone (circa 1250Hz), the speed increase from the Hinoki blade to the primorac clone is easily noticeable. My preference is to use the Hinoki blade.
I can see why Z03 could be a beast on blades carbon and why many players feel the way they do about Z03.

 

[ToH]

 

[obsidian d]

I feel Z03 is like Tenergy 05 hard with gripier and more durable topsheet.

 

[NextLevel]

I feel Z03 is like Tenergy 05 hard with gripier and more durable topsheet.

Not really - it is similar in quite a few ways, but there is a huge difference that confounds people who do not spend the time to adapt to it, especially if they use it on a relatively low dwell high speed blade. Tenergy 05 Hard is easier to spin with without getting sponge compression especially when relatively new. With Zyre, you need to get the ball into the sponge to get the heavy spin and being able to do this without getting a lot of speed is hard. That disqualifies it from most amateur players who like slow speed heavy spin play (though a slower blade or softer outer ply with some practice can mitigate some of that). Tenergy 05 Hard can still give you some of that even on a very fast blade.

 

[mamedium]

Zyre is the most grippiest rubber I’ve ever played

its thickness combination is relatively new to most players so love/ hate comments are understandable

once you’re able to adapt to its attributes, it will take your game to a higher threat. also it requires a higher awareness to how you contact the ball - if that makes sense

not exactly amateur friendly BUT with the advanced technique, it is deadly

 

[Souther]

I would say that while the ball feeling is different because of the lack of stickiness, a Hurricane user might enjoy this rubber more than a Dignics user if they put in the time (definitely recommend to someone who uses Hurricane on both forehand and backhand).

I had a chance to try it a few times. As an H3 user you're right that Zyre feels pretty good. With the fast game I found it similar if you use brush strokes, and the spin is excellent. The speed difference is more apparent with drives and flat hits. For the slow game, Zyre has less control and feels like it has less spin also. Again like you said, I would probably need to put in more time. Also, Zyre takes less strength when played away from the table, while H3 is better with the close game. My personal opinion (and where I'm coming from as a long time H3 user) is that given the price, I would take a sheet of H3 neo national blue sponge over Zyre 03.

 

[cytivrat]

I didn't touch Butterfly rubbers for 15 years, but finally I tried Zyre 03 today for the first time for 1 hour, mostly multiball and 3 sets at the end. Obviously, it is too early to make final conclusions, but I can't wait 3-6 month before writing about it here

Setup: Viscaria SALC, Zyre 03 on FH, previous rubber Tibhar Hybrid K3 Pro.
It must be a little bit lighter than k3 pro, maybe ~2grams, but didn't weight it, just was easier to engage wrist than usually.

Speed - I didn't feel it being extremely fast, maybe it needs some time to soften a little bit to get more speed. Somewhere close to K3 Pro when it is new, maybe a little bit faster, but maybe not. Definitely easier to get like 60-70% of max speed of it, but top end speed difference is not big. I believe that top end speed must be higher, just I cannot get it out of it maybe due to 2 weeks pause in trainings before trying this rubber, maybe due to not being a pro player.

Trajectory - Butterfly said that it is higher than dignics (don't remember which one), but it wasn't high for me, flatter and longer compared to K3 Pro, but again not much. And weird thing that when looping against backspin I always felt that ball must hit the net, but somehow it was getting over it and it was not once or twice, it was almost every time.

As everyone says looping is quite easy and especially counter looping is extremely easy. Noticeably more controllable than with K3 Pro. K3 Pro was very good in this aspect for me, but Zyre is even better. Could contact the ball earlier and it is easier to get more speed on counter loops than it was with K3 Pro, probably reusing opponents energy better. But attempts to produce less speed more spin kind of loops was worse than K3. Maybe just need some time to adjust.
Short game is good, it wasn't hard to leave the ball short, quite controllable, however read below regarding spin.

Spin and feel - in short - I don't know. I completely don't understand the feedback it provides. It feels like I play with a thick and hollow racket that doesn't produce spin at all. But sometimes my opponent made mistakes due to spin, and sound of ball contact with net and surrounds that were around the playing area almost always indicated that there is a good amount of spin (after loops). So I'm not sure whether serves or short pushes had spin or not, my opponent didn't kill me after those, so maybe there was some. I don't understand how can I make adjustments to my strokes to get better result (I need SpinSight ), I don't understand whether serve or short push has spin and I can be calm or it was bad attempt to produce underspin ball and I have to switch to panic mode and make a couple of steps away from the table and get ready to be killed, and then to make adjustment in the future. That's why I don't really understand how can I improve with it over time. Maybe I will get used to it.

As a conclusion, if I could buy a new K3 Pro every month, I would stick to it (obviously, I don't have to adjust to it). On the other hand if Zyre 03 keeps its properties for like 3+ month without significant change and being playable for at least 7-8 month, than I'll have switch to it just to have more stable rubber over time

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

I'm starting to believe in ZYRE-03 and I am on the other side of the table from it lol

Butterfly, consider this my formal complaint that ZYRE-03 is simply too good. Please stop selling it immediately... Oh, and Bugller too. Halt production at once.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Zyre03 is the rubber that let me win Uncle Chen, Mrs Huang, Old Man Wang et al. It's a keeper, muack!

 

[Tembel]

So what is the current verdict on 2.5 vs 2.7 sponge thickness for non-pro players? 2.7 best for FH and 2.5 better for BH or 2.5 better for both BH/FH?

I have only tried Zyre 2.5 on FH(on a Visc SALC) for a couple of minutes and it definitely felt quite different to any other butterfly rubber I have tried. Closest comparable rubber for me would probably be D05 but since I only tried it on FH for a couple of minutes, mainly looping, I am not sure how correct my observations were.