JPEN rolemodels/players to imitate and learn from

[Marc!_]

I just bought my Armstrong APEX 21 blade and added a tenergy 05 and its working OK.
Which JPEN players should I watch for someone to imitate/rolemodel?
Off the top of my head I know Ryu, Kim Taek Soo, Lee Jung Woo, Chiang Peng Lung, Lee Cheol Seung, Wang Jian Jun (~2006 era), Lu Lin (only found doubles videos), Cazuo Matsumoto, Hugo Hoyama

Bad record but still cool to watch: Ri Chol Guk, Chang Yan Shu

Amateurs: Moriya Tsubasa, PD Park, Dudu (eduardo tomoike)

Its hard to watch older players like Ichiro Ogimura, Esp cause of the era and tech difference.

 

[Der_Echte]

PD Park (you tube amateur), Lee Jae Chul (70+ ex natl player Mapo TTC Seoul owner), Kim Taek Soo (ex-pro, you tuber) Lee Cheul Seung (Ex Natl Player, Natl Coach, Samsung Life Head Coach, you tuber with many learning series)

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

also kaii Yoshida

 

[xavi]

Nexy (with lots of Yoo nam Kyu lessons)

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Good lessons, some of them jpen:

https://www.youtube.com/@%EB%82%A8%EA%B2%BD%ED%83%9C%EC%9D%98%EB%82%98%EB%8F%84%ED%83%81%EA%B5%AC%EB%A7%88%EC%8A%A4

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It is a YouTube channel of Hwang Sejun who was a professional table tennis player of Korea. We will provide useful information on table tennis, and plan to upload video of the table tennis lessons of Hwang.

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[b3N]

I usually imitate from Ryu Seung Min (90% of shots: serves, 3rd ball etc), Xu Xin (not JPen but the tactical patterns are useful) and Kaii Yoshida (especially for service and backhand variation).

I too have been enjoying the content from Coach Ishizuka. I also watch different Korean Amateur matches on YouTube. The DiegoTTTube channel is also full of gems (including rare footage of Ri Chol Guk training).

I use V-MAX (very soft), I'm interested if the Armstrong Apex is hard like some websites say. I wonder if they use a different part of the tree. Happy you're enjoying using it!
Keep going with it and Happy New year, too!

 

[Marc!_]

I usually imitate from Ryu Seung Min (90% of shots: serves, 3rd ball etc), Xu Xin (not JPen but the tactical patterns are useful) and Kaii Yoshida (especially for service and backhand variation).

I too have been enjoying the content from Coach Ishizuka. I also watch different Korean Amateur matches on YouTube. The DiegoTTTube channel is also full of gems (including rare footage of Ri Chol Guk training).

I use V-MAX (very soft), I'm interested if the Armstrong Apex is hard like some websites say. I wonder if they use a different part of the tree. Happy you're enjoying using it!
Keep going with it and Happy New year, too!

This is my first JPEN blade and I've been using CPEN the rest of the time iv played before this. I'd say its quite hard. I'd assume its quite a bit harder since its compress from 10 to 8.7mm.

The speed is absurd but I'm not sure if its my tenergy 05. Even on punch shots its very fast.

 

[Marc!_]

Since JPEN backhand is considerably weaker than the FH, are flicks really a good option for BH side?
I've found these on youtube:

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Firstly, if you are trying to be a JPEN player, you don't really need to have JPEN models. You can still be motivated by CPENs like Ma Lin, Kaii Yoshida, Xu Xin, Wang Hao (his forehand), and a few others. Interesting that you're talking about Ichiro Ogimura, and while I do agree the technique itself isn't a recommendation to watch, I suggest you listen to his philosophy (51% rule, or at least that's what I think it's called).

This is my first JPEN blade and I've been using CPEN the rest of the time iv played before this. I'd say its quite hard. I'd assume its quite a bit harder since its compress from 10 to 8.7mm.

I see. I have no comment since I haven't heard of cases like this yet lol.

The speed is absurd but I'm not sure if its my tenergy 05. Even on punch shots its very fast.

Nah. It's the blade. T05 is very fast but you can still perform slow shots with it. And Jpen blades are naturally VERY fast.

Since JPEN backhand is considerably weaker than the FH, are flicks really a good option for BH side?
I've found these on youtube:

Nope. These aren't that good of stuff to learn. Better learn the short push and punch rather than the flick. Maybe the loop too but that's not as necessary. But overall, just improve your footwork and forehand to compensate for the backhand.

 

[b3N]

Since JPEN backhand is considerably weaker than the FH, are flicks really a good option for BH side?
I've found these on youtube:

Oh I see. This is a specialised topic but I remember watching those videos a long time ago. I tried it and realised my wrist isn't flexible enough for that.
Generally your first thought has to be stop/touch receive. In his JPen clinic, Ryu said he NEVER flicked a backspin ball. His stop receive is world class, only second to Ma Lin. Then just be patient for the long/half-long or high ball. The odds should be in your favour in short play.
The question you are asking has already been answered here by the master of JPen: https://youtu.be/Y7lJHW1KeSM?si=txVToOEmDHrIMLHy
There is a technique where you just open the angle and flick the wrist forward. It's effective. See it here at 14:30: https://youtu.be/s_9nfMAbZms?si=inbsmubrdRj-sNpM.

Hope it's useful!

Hard rackets are good for more speed/shoto style players (like Park PD), but if you want to play further back with a more spin drive game, I think a softer blade would help generate spin. There's no wrong style, but they are different.

 

[xavi]

I tried it and realised my wrist isn't flexible enough for that.

In my case I thought my problem was also wrist flexibility... but what is limiting is the sanding of the racket. Try to sand more, sand better.

 

[b3N]

In my case I thought my problem was also wrist flexibility... but what is limiting is the sanding of the racket. Try to sand more, sand better.

The sanding is crucial. Honestly, all new penhold players must learn this, especially JPen.
There aren't really any good tutorials for this on YouTube (in English), that explains for JPen in detail. Maybe I should make one, but I don't need a new blade :/
I thought I saw Cazuo make one but can't find it now (I just found he uploaded personal footage of his Zhang Jike match yesterday, he got a set off him - worth a watch )

 

[Lando]

The sanding is crucial. Honestly, all new penhold players must learn this, especially JPen.
There aren't really any good tutorials for this on YouTube (in English), that explains for JPen in detail. Maybe I should make one, but I don't need a new blade :/
I thought I saw Cazuo make one but can't find it now (I just found he uploaded personal footage of his Zhang Jike match yesterday, he got a set off him - worth a watch )

Great match. His fh is so spinny

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Also look at YOYO TAKKYU channel

 

[xavi]

The sanding is crucial. Honestly, all new penhold players must learn this, especially JPen.
There aren't really any good tutorials for this on YouTube (in English), that explains for JPen in detail. Maybe I should make one, but I don't need a new blade :/
I thought I saw Cazuo make one but can't find it now (I just found he uploaded personal footage of his Zhang Jike match yesterday, he got a set off him - worth a watch )

Yoo Nam Kyu have some videos on sanding

 

[xavi]

Also look at YOYO TAKKYU channel

He plays very good, but he has short pips on forehand!

 

[Der_Echte]

Yoo Nam Gyu, the FIRST Olympic Champion in the sport, dropped a vid a month ago that is very detailed and revealing... if you understand Korean... but the auto translate along with the visual should convey the important things.

 

[b3N]

Yoo Nam Gyu, the FIRST Olympic Champion in the sport, dropped a vid a month ago that is very detailed and revealing... if you understand Korean... but the auto translate along with the visual should convey the important things.

I had this one bookmarked to watch later. I got through about half. I was watching it with the auto-translate dubbing (so you have to decode every word).
At about 4:30 he basically says "I'm about to drop a gem on em. This some high level ish" then proceeds to explain exactly how to predict the depth of the opening loop based on the push you give and the height at which they hit, so you can decide whether to counter inside the table or outside. It's so nuanced the auto-translate can't keep up, but I'd love to understand it properly!