Modern high arc/throw tensor or hybrid rubbers

[Doppelschlag]

What thicknesses of the Nittakus did you play? Thinking about switching to these. If going back, would you still play C-1 on BH, or G-1 on both sides?

 

[navuzor]

What thicknesses of the Nittakus did you play? Thinking about switching to these. If going back, would you still play C-1 on BH, or G-1 on both sides?

G-1 in Max and C-1 in 2.0. If I go back it would be just the G-1 on FH. I have no issues with the Omega 8 Euro on BH at all. It's the omega 8 pro on FH that the throw angle is putting me off

 

[Doppelschlag]

Interesting. Po

G-1 in Max and C-1 in 2.0. If I go back it would be just the G-1 on FH. I have no issues with the Omega 8 Euro on BH at all. It's the omega 8 pro on FH that the throw angle is putting me off

Interesting thanks. Just posted in another thread my issues with having a somewhat fast/spinny/uncrontrolled setup after my wife gifting me a new blade and rubbers. Have the Omega VII Europe on my backup blade though, so thinking about slamming that on my BH and getting Fastarc G-1 in 1.8 or 2.0 on FH.

 

[NetProphet]

Yeah I know, that's why I'm tempted to just glue my G1 back. Even then, the innerforce should be very wood-like so I'm not convinced the blade is the issue. The omega pro has been reported to have medium to even low throw, which is the only issue have with it. I'm very happy with the spin and speed I can generate it's just the throw it's putting me off.

It is the blade.
I also play with an Innerforce ALC and it is quite different to a TSPW.
Definitely put the G1 on it, you don't need to find a 'modern' equivalent of it, G1 is plenty relevant still.
You might, if your technique is good enough, get used to the lower throw but many ppl need that extra arc for consistency so I get it if you want it back.
So in that case if the G1 isn enough on the Innerforce ALC you could try a Rakza Z or Butterfly Glayzer 09c, both will give a higher arc, both hybrid rubbers.

 

[Angerer]

Hello all,

I am looking for modern high arc/throw tensor or hybrid rubber options
A bit of background. I played with fastarc C1 on BH and G1 on FH for over a year on a Tibhar Stratus Powerwood. I was very happy with it, to be honest. The only aspect I was missing was the slow spinny shots, as you have to engage the sponge to get the most out of it, which can be very taxing.

Now, my wife got me a more "modern" setup for Christmas. I wasn't thinking about upgrading my equipment, but my wife insisted on it since TT is something I'm very passionate about.

So now I have an innerforce layer ALC blade paired with Omega 8 Euro on BH and Omega 8 Pro on FH. I have played around 20 hours in the last week or so, between casual club play and multiball training. I know I shouldn't have changed so many things at once, but it is what it is. Long story short, I find this setup very different overall. I find I can generate more spin, my serves are way more challenging to the receiver, but I feel the throw angle is waaay lower on the omega 8 pro compared to the fastarc G1 on the FH.

I find I have to adjust my technique quite a bit to be as consistent as I was with the G1. Still, I find myself liking and missing a lot more the high throw of the G1. So have two options: glue my fastarc G1 on the innerforce, or get a "modern" non-chinese rubber with high throw that is a bit more dynamic than the G1 in the lower gears.
I have read people recommending the Stiga Mantra Pro, The Nittaku Hammond Z2, Victas Ventus Extra, etc. but the throw angle of all these is medium to medium-low relative to the G1 in my limited experience. The obvious answer is T05, I know, but is there a modern take on the G1?
Thanks in advance

Dignics 09c, Glayzer 09c, K3 - they all have high arc/throw.
Maybe MK Hybrid is the way - it has medium-high arc/throw, however, it's softer and is easier to play; spin and speed generation are simpler than those of the abovementioned.

 

[navuzor]

It is the blade.
I also play with an Innerforce ALC and it is quite different to a TSPW.
Definitely put the G1 on it, you don't need to find a 'modern' equivalent of it, G1 is plenty relevant still.
You might, if your technique is good enough, get used to the lower throw but many ppl need that extra arc for consistency so I get it if you want it back.
So in that case if the G1 isn enough on the Innerforce ALC you could try a Rakza Z or Butterfly Glayzer 09c, both will give a higher arc, both hybrid rubbers.

Interesting, I won't glue the G1 back just yet, I want to play as is in a couple of league matches first. Maybe I'll grow into liking the lower throw as you said. But I do 100% feel way more consistent with a higher arc. Granted, less dangerous too, but I value the former more now, as my technique is not quite there yet.

I thought innerforce was very wood-like, maybe that inner carbon layer makes more of a difference than I initially thought. The TSPW is not a slow wood blade by any means, either.
It's also very interesting that only the hybrids have clear high throws. I haven't come across any recent high arc/throw Euro/Jap rubbers since T05 and their imitations ( namely G1, MXP, Baracuda, etc...).

 

[NetProphet]

Interesting, I won't glue the G1 back just yet, I want to play as is in a couple of league matches first. Maybe I'll grow into liking the lower throw as you said. But I do 100% feel way more consistent with a higher arc. Granted, less dangerous too, but I value the former more now, as my technique is not quite there yet.

I thought innerforce was very wood-like, maybe that inner carbon layer makes more of a difference than I initially thought. The TSPW is not a slow wood blade by any means, either.
It's also very interesting that only the hybrids have clear high throws. I haven't come across any recent high arc/throw Euro/Jap rubbers since T05 and their imitations ( namely G1, MXP, Baracuda, etc...).

Well I guess everything is relative in this world and TT is no different.
I would agree that the Innerforce ALC is wood-like when compared to a Viscaria or FZD ALC etc (basically the same blades with different handles) but it does feel different to the all wood blades I used before it.
I only know the TSPW because one of my teammates uses it with G1 and Rakza 7 so I have a good basis for comparison. He is a good player but finds my blade too different, it would take him quite a while to adjust to it so that's what I think you're experiencing.
As regards high arc/throw Euro/Jap rubbers I guess everyone is catered with G1 and the other rubbers and hybrids you've mentioned. This plastic ball certainly rewards the speed/spin in a different ratio to the old cell ball and it's more heavily weighted towards speed now which is probably illustrated by the rubbers on offer.
I've never tried the rubbers you have now but your idea is exactly what I'd do too, try them out properly and for a decent length of time before then trying your old rubber on the new blade.
Enjoy 👍

 

[navuzor]

Dignics 09c, Glayzer 09c, K3 - they all have high arc/throw.
Maybe MK Hybrid is the way - it has medium-high arc/throw, however, it's softer and is easier to play; spin and speed generation are simpler than those of the abovementioned.

Now that you mention it, the MK Hybrid is the only hybrid I've read that is comparable with that golden old generation, like the G1, in the sense that it's spin-oriented with low catapult effect, with a relatively high arc. I've heard the NUZN 48 is very similar, and should last longer. Perhaps something I will try in the near future, as my old G1 is worn anyway.

 

[brightcell]

Now that you mention it, the MK Hybrid is the only hybrid I've read that is comparable with that golden old generation, like the G1, in the sense that it's spin-oriented with low catapult effect, with a relatively high arc. I've heard the NUZN 48 is very similar, and should last longer. Perhaps something I will try in the near future, as my old G1 is worn anyway.

Having played with some hybrids (D09C, G09C, MK, MK FX, MK Pro, K3 FX) and now V15 Sticky, I really think it's the best of them. Extremely spinny, low catapult effect and quite insensitive to spin for its tackiness. Testing now V15 Sticky Soft and it's not as good. Way more bouncy. Anyway, you got options

 

[navuzor]

Just an update on this. I ended up sticking a Nuzn 48 on FH instead. I wouldn't call it high throwing either but still easier to play than O8P. I'll keep this setup for some time. I'm consistently winning games against much better players. Something I realised is these newer rubbers are much better for counterspin. I'm winning most of the high speed top spin rallies against the members of my club that play in the upper leagues. The lower throw is really dangerous in these situations and the counterspin is extremely consistent at those high speeds. However, I find myself struggling more against worse players that are very defensive. Slow pushers to be more specific. Lifting slow pushes is more difficult with the lower throw, and my flicks need a lot of work still. I'll focus my training on those aspects as I've progressed quite a lot in the last years. I don't really find many defensive players in the higher leagues to be fair.