Dignics 09C – Serious Quality Issue NOT STICKY ? Let’s Talk About It.

[vvk1]

The only sheet of D09C I have ever used was purchased from Catenaccio from Japan in Dec 2023. As I mentioned in other threads, it was barely tacky when new, lost tack quicker than C55, developed white marks at least as quickly as C55, etc.

 

[NextLevel]

The only sheet of D09C I have ever used was purchased from Catenaccio from Japan in Dec 2023. As I mentioned in other threads, it was barely tacky when new, lost tack quicker than C55, developed white marks at least as quickly as C55, etc.

I have been able to make 09c very sticky with protector sheets.

 

[latej]

The only sheet of D09C I have ever used was purchased from Catenaccio from Japan in Dec 2023. As I mentioned in other threads, it was barely tacky when new, lost tack quicker than C55, developed white marks at least as quickly as C55, etc.

Wow. Can confirm the tackiness, but the duration - that surprises me. C55 after 2 months was asking to be replaced, D09C was in really good shape... Bad, because I like C55 3x more ;-)

 

[vvk1]

I have been able to make 09c very sticky with protector sheets.

I use sticky protector sheets for all my rubbers...

 

[merlin el mago]

What's the difference between tacky and sticky?

tacky means slightly sticky, often referring to something not fully dry (like paint), while sticky implies a stronger, more significant adherence

Examples of tacky are all BTY Tackiness that aren't sticky, for sticky look YouTube showing chinese rubbers sticky the ball for several seconds.

SO basically sticky is adherent and tacky not.

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

this seems to come up from time to time, not that hard for me to believe some sheets have less hold than others. also dont think its a big concern for D09C users in general, but time will tell

 

[RefereeNumber2]

I experienced something similar to OP recently. Unfortunately I didn’t document the batch number but I probably have the old rubber lying around somewhere. Purchased directly from Butterfly via megaspin.

This particular piece of black D09c had a visibly different topsheet appearance to others. It had a dull grayish/greenish sheen to it that I’d never seen in another D09c. It was noticeably less grippy both to the touch and in play. I use non-sticky protection sheets which usually adhere to the D09c topsheet very firmly with no issues; in the case of this particular rubber the sheet had difficulty sticking and would often detach while the racket was just sitting in the case. The rubber was playable once broken in, but the grip was never as good as usual, and I ended up replacing it after a couple of weeks.

This was the only time I’ve encountered something this extreme in dozens of sheets purchased from various sources, so I assumed it was a one-off. It’s impossible to have absolutely perfect QC, and there’s usually some much smaller amount of variation between sheets. But if this starts to be a trend then I will start looking for alternatives.

 

[Gtsnake]

Well manufacturers listening sponsored players take the new trend for more speed than for more spin so changed:

-D09C sticky not grippy nor tacky
-H3 grippy not sticky but tacky

That's the new trend guys...

So if the manufacturers wanted to satisfy pro players by going less tacky then they should have made a new model. Go with Hurricane 4 or 5 and leave the 3 as is. By changing the formulation and not changing the model they're alienating the people who liked the original characteristics. Same with D09C. If they remove some tack call it D10 or D09D or whatever. You don't change something and call it the same model.

 

[NetProphet]

I have been able to make 09c very sticky with protector sheets.

This could be highly relevant.
I have always covered my D09c with the protection sheet, absolutely always and I have managed to maintain the tackiness on that rubber for a long time.
I would expect that without doing this it would reduce significantly and much more quickly.

It doesn't address what to do when a new sheet isn't tacky but it's good practice nonetheless

 

[Haito]

Do we have anyone on the forums that is in contact with the folks at Butterfly from inside? Maybe Dan has some contacts?

 

[merlin el mago]

So if the manufacturers wanted to satisfy pro players by going less tacky then they should have made a new model. Go with Hurricane 4 or 5 and leave the 3 as is. By changing the formulation and not changing the model they're alienating the people who liked the original characteristics. Same with D09C. If they remove some tack call it D10 or D09D or whatever. You don't change something and call it the same model.

I'm not the manufacturer.

 

[haggisv]

I have been able to make 09c very sticky with protector sheets.

I've used 09C in the past, and managed to keep the initial stickiness by using the adhesive protection sheet it came with, but it didn't get stickier over time, despite a rigorous cleaning process. What protection sheet did you use? Did you use a cleaner?

 

[NextLevel]

I've used 09C in the past, and managed to keep the initial stickiness by using the adhesive protection sheet it came with, but it didn't get stickier over time, despite a rigorous cleaning process. What protection sheet did you use? Did you use a cleaner?

I just put it away for a very long time with fresh sheets. Forgot about it for two months.

 

[Dzair57]

They should either offer a replacement or refund.

https://en.butterfly.tt/dignics-09c.html


https://fr.butterfly.tt/dignics-09c.html


https://www.butterfly.co.jp/products/detail/06070.html

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https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/super-hard-h3.26269/post-357052

Thank you for your support.

Unfortunately, they explicitly refused both a replacement and a refund, despite the 5 or 6 emails I sent trying to resolve this.

I honestly get the impression that their customer service simply doesn't care.

 

[Dzair57]

The D09C I had was only slightly ‘tacky’ / ‘sticky’, it could only lift the ball for a fraction of a second, like many ‘modern’ hybrid rubbers. DHS H3 now has reduced tack or stickiness, bringing it more in line with ‘modern’ hybrids.

’grippy’ rubbers ( non tacky / sticky ) don’t lift a ball at all.

Maybe -

‘tacky’ rubbers lift the ball for a fraction of a second.
’sticky’ rubbers lift and hold the ball for at least a second.

There is definitely some confusion regarding Tacky v Sticky !!

I just did a ball lift test with 3 bats, So maybe …….

Bat 1 - Zyre 03 both sides = GRIPPY - not able to lift the ball.
Bat 2 - Xiom O8H and O8C -
O8H barely lifted the ball = TACKY
O8C lifted the ball for maybe 1/4 of a second = TACKY
Bat 3 - Xiom Tau 2 both sides (old sheets) lifted the ball for maybe 1 second + = STICKY.

Thanks for the detailed breakdown.

To use your classification: all my previous Dignics 09C sheets were indeed 'Tacky' (they could lift the ball briefly).

However, this specific sheet I received is strictly 'Grippy'. It does not lift the ball at all, not even for a fraction of a second. The difference with my previous sheets is night and day, which is why I am certain this is a defect.

 

[Dzair57]

Take a video of you comparing your old and new rubber please. Try lift a ball. We want to see it 😊

I unfortunately don't have a video to show you.

However, the difference is unmistakable just by touching the surface. You don't even need a ball test to realize it: when I run my finger across the topsheet, the friction is simply missing on this new sheet compared to the previous ones. It feels completely smooth.

 

[Dzair57]

What's the difference between tacky and sticky?

Sorry in my side i don't have clearly the response

 

[Dzair57]

I just put it away for a very long time with fresh sheets. Forgot about it for two months.

I am very rigorous with my equipment (I always clean it and use protection sheets).

But in this specific case, maintenance isn't the issue. The problem was noticeable straight out of the packaging. The rubber was brand new and sealed, yet it lacked the tackiness immediately upon opening, before I even had a chance to use or clean it.

 

[Dzair57]

The only sheet of D09C I have ever used was purchased from Catenaccio from Japan in Dec 2023. As I mentioned in other threads, it was barely tacky when new, lost tack quicker than C55, developed white marks at least as quickly as C55, etc.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

It really seems like the quality control has become inconsistent. In your case it was 'barely tacky', but in my case (bought in Germany), it had absolutely zero tackiness.

For a flagship product with such a high price tag, playing the lottery with batches like this is simply unacceptable

 

[Gtsnake]

I'm not the manufacturer.

wasn't talking to you.