Butterfly Zyre 03

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Christ your difficult aren't you, no changes for 2026 no?
Point was 100% obvious and I think I clarified it in a later post.
I kinda knew some stupidity like this would ensue once I'd cleared my ignore list
Take a look in the mirror. Please feel free to put me back there, I find it fascinating that you see a Butterfly shirt as an advertisement but not a Stiga blade.
 
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harder by how much? do you know?
The limba we're currently using has a density of 0.461 g/cm³, while koto has a density of 0.480 g/cm³. The difference in weight isn't significant, but the difference in hardness and playability is very noticeable.
 
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The limba we're currently using has a density of 0.461 g/cm³, while koto has a density of 0.480 g/cm³. The difference in weight isn't significant, but the difference in hardness and playability is very noticeable.
thanks - finally someone provided proof and not just saying “try and feel”
 
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Disclaimer! I dislike butterfly and their price policies and this is a very short and sweet story of me playing against someone with zyre for the first time.

It was a tournament and my opponent is quite lower ranked than me (maybe around 2100 USATT?), but not so much that I should utterly destroy him. He has long pimples on backhand and zyre on forehand, he tries to use forehand as much as possible (also because he knows playing pimples against me is assisted suicide 😝): I targeted zyre just to see how it reacts. He said he had been playing with it for some weeks.

I found zyre didn't do him any good against my service, or anywhere in the short game. He also struggled a lot lifting heavy long backspin, and when I mixed it up with no spin he would send it out 2 metres. On the few topspins he played in, the ball sometimes had an unusual amount of spin, sometimes normal. It surely looked like he had really little control on it. When I lifted the first ball with heavy topspin he would almost always block it directly out. He often looked at his rubber when getting it wrong.
His technique is not really sound if you compare it with very advanced amateur / semi-pro (or with correctly coached up and coming players who still have a lower level than him), but he is nevertheless a respectable player with 20-30 years of experience (he's around 50 y.o.) and who plays (the lowest) national league.
Do with this information what you wish, it gave me the impression that the rubber is only for a nieche of advanced players, and while it may work against same level - lower level opponents, it deepens the flaws and widens the gaps against opponents with a better command on spin.
 
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Switched from Bluegrip J1 to Zyre on both sides last Tuesday and play an informal league today, so I had 5 days to get used to Zyre (and I did; did well in the league).

It was really weird on the first few days, but by Saturday I was feeling alright.
Specifically, serves went into the net; blocks and loops went out. Serves and loops fixed themselves by Saturday. Blocks are still blocking out though.

Zyre just makes loop killing faster and easier, which is a lot more valuable than you all might think.

Compared to Bluegrip J1, wristy backhands are better with the Bluegrip J1, and army backhands are better with Zyre.

I'm interested in the rumored durability of Zyre so let's see how long this lasts, since my j1's didn't last very long.
 
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Review from a 2500 USATT level player. He concludes that he prefers it on the BH which is not a common perspective I've seen so far, but an interesting one.
Its actually quite common. I find it more common than preferring it on the forehand because some people prefer sticky rubbers on the forehand and can't stand the fast ball release unless they were non-sticky there previously. He fit that group of people. If he had used D05 on forehand previously or T05H, he would have made the switch much more easily. The switch is hardest for D09c users on either side. Easiest for T05H users on either side. The hardes thing to adjust to is looping backspin. But if you get one loop correct , just one, you see the potential of the rubber and the tradeoffs become interesting.
 
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Its actually quite common. I find it more common than preferring it on the forehand because some people prefer sticky rubbers on the forehand and can't stand the fast ball release unless they were non-sticky there previously. He fit that group of people. If he had used D05 on forehand previously or T05H, he would have made the switch much more easily. The switch is hardest for D09c users on either side. Easiest for T05H users on either side. The hardes thing to adjust to is looping backspin. But if you get one loop correct , just one, you see the potential of the rubber and the tradeoffs become interesting.
I was considering giving it a try on bh but the blocking aspect does put me off compared to my current D05 bh rubber. Bh blocking is a big part of non pro level players. Even karlsen in the khans jha vid said he found blocking difficult with it and he’s a pro. I did drills where I was blocking for player lower level than me blocking with my set up was effortless, he uses zyre on his fh and had it also on spare blade so I used that for a bit of blocking and I did block some out something I didn’t do with D05 considering his blade was slower than my fzd.
What I did notice is when I countered rather than blocked it felt more stable and dangerous for him.
I’m on fence about wasting money on trying it unless it’s going to force me to counter everything and make my game better I can’t see it being a good idea for now.
 
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I was considering giving it a try on bh but the blocking aspect does put me off compared to my current D05 bh rubber. Bh blocking is a big part of non pro level players. Even karlsen in the khans jha vid said he found blocking difficult with it and he’s a pro. I did drills where I was blocking for player lower level than me blocking with my set up was effortless, he uses zyre on his fh and had it also on spare blade so I used that for a bit of blocking and I did block some out something I didn’t do with D05 considering his blade was slower than my fzd.
What I did notice is when I countered rather than blocked it felt more stable and dangerous for him.
I’m on fence about wasting money on trying it unless it’s going to force me to counter everything and make my game better I can’t see it being a good idea for now.
I have a different experience with Zyre but it I think is a nuanced one that might be tied to my technical limits. For me with Zyre, blocking perfectly flat and still is easier than with Dignics 05 and so is punching for me. I find that with Dignics 05, the block is more of a tiny counter rather than a very still block, one of the reasons I prefer 80 to 05. Now with Zyre, the problem I have and I suspect this is what Karlsson was talking about is when you have to kick block. The motion doesn't have the same feeling of topspin continuity that I felt I had with 05 or 09c. But for a flat block holding the racket still and hardly changing the angle, I do better with Zyre, it feels more to me like what I get from Dignics 80. But the ball goes out more easily when I had a vertical motion because I am not used to coming over the ball to spin my blocks with a closed angle but I suspect that will change with time
 
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As a user of H3 mostly forehanrd or Rakza Z Hard and Control rubber backhands (Dynarz CMD/Rakza Z) it plays very fine to swap from H3 and Rakza but very different to T05 or CMD.

Brush looping and spinny flicks are no issue at all with an inner carbon blade (W968) but harder drives are difficult on forehand but ok on backhand. Touch is also a quite big issue, its ok to put the ball back but hard to influence the spin without mistakes imo. However opening topspin and into pips I find very nice.

Overall I play best TT i have in ages with it but probably would have done better with D05. I think though as I keep playing with it I will get used more and more and no issues,

For reference my D1 local leauge % last year was 40ish with H3 and CMD and is currently 66% with zyre. Not quite true as I've been draftet for easier games this year but teams I used to take 2 games +/- singles with i'm taking all 3 frequently.
 
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If one comes from the MxP school; the Zyre03 is a natural progression. Like a chemical engineer switching to material science.

If one comes from the tacky faculty; like law student trying to switch to engineering faculty. Go play with your 09c or wait for Z09c....
 
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It's interesting I found the opposite, I couldn't stand D09c and found Z03 to be a fairly easy conversion but used Rakza Z EH and H3 provinical as my main bat since about 2021. It's probably my funky azz amateur techniques.
Not at all. I get you 100%. There is a school of Zyre users you belong to. It isnt so much about amateur technique but not needing infinite dwell time to hit good shots or play in the short game. You also came with an innerforce blade with soft outer plies so you already get a lot of dwell from your blade. The way you know you are 100% ready for Zyre is not just the topspin players but when you find your club's Luka Mladenovic or Joo Se Hyuk and you are able to beat him without feeling like you need to loop kill every ball. If you do, then you are one with your De-Zyre!
 
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@Tyce , because you asked for it….
Hinoki (soft) and Zyre, a good combination. In fact, some.people might wonder how the heck did i pick my current blade for Zyre? Well in a brilliant piece of likely unintentional marketing, the equipment expert at Bowmar Sports (Butterfly NA) casually said he uses it on the forehand of the Harimoto SZLC and was enjoying it. I thought that made no sense (but his rating was roughly 1800 so I felt I could definitely handle it), but ever since I have started doing jt, Zyre plays like a regular spinny rubber to me again. I have stopped thinking of jt as an alien... I just need to find time to train and play better players with it.
 
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