What rubber should i consider after playing with Rozena?

[Matej T]

Dignics . Or Zyre if you have the budget

i tried max zyre today on fzd super alc and holy shit its fast but impossible to controll in short game. Also i tried boosted H3 blue sponge and if i had the proper technique and skill that would be my pick for FH for sure.

 

[merlin el mago]

Korbel not enough power & sweep spot like BTY FZD ALC, try the H3 BS boosted with FZD ALC to get the maximum potential to the rubber, or try the Zyre 3 with your Korbel.

 

[Matej T]

Korbel not enough power & sweep spot like BTY FZD ALC, try the H3 BS boosted with FZD ALC to get the maximum potential to the rubber, or try the Zyre 3 with your Korbel.

well yeah but im still a begginer isn’t that too advanced for me? i was thinking about tenergy of dognic 05 maybe, i still want to develop better technique and develop my game not just buy the best gear. I could have bought the fzd alc but i didn’t so i can develop better with the korbel.

 

[NextLevel]

Rozena and Glayzer are good rubbers. You can change from them to Dignics or Tenergy, and while that will give you more spin, it's not a good sign when you blame issues with respect to control on Rozena because that is actually what it facilitates best.

 

[Matej T]

Rozena and Glayzer are good rubbers. You can change from them to Dignics or Tenergy, and while that will give you more spin, it's not a good sign when you blame issues with respect to control on Rozena because that is actually what it facilitates best.

yeah i just need to get better, so should i buy another pair of rozenas or maybe try glazer? i have the rozenas for 1,5 months and i play alot so they are starting to be little dead..

 

[NextLevel]

either is fine. You can do anything you want as long as you don't have matches coming up and you have the money, you will learn something from it as long as you are getting coaching. You have time, you are just too young to know it lol.

 

[kapahoo]

Glazer and Dignics are very different from Rozena. Harder and different feel. Tenergies are a much more natural step.

 

[Matej T]

either is fine. You can do anything you want as long as you don't have matches coming up and you have the money, you will learn something from it as long as you are getting coaching. You have time, you are just too young to know it lol.

yeah o joined the best club in prague and left the bad one where i was and next week im going on private 1:1 lessons with a good coach and work on my technique with him, i can afford him once every 2 weeks so i will do that + intense club practice 3-5 times a week (2h a sesh) depends of how much time do i have. This should be enough to get better ig 😂

 

[Matej T]

Glazer and Dignics are very different from Rozena. Harder and different feel. Tenergies are a much more natural step.

i tried the glazer 9c and i dont like it on the other hand i liked the harder blue sponge h3 even tho it was slower due toy poor technique but i had good control but i did not try normal glazer

 

[b3N]

i tried the glazer 9c and i dont like it on the other hand i liked the harder blue sponge h3 even tho it was slower due toy poor technique but i had good control but i did not try normal glazer

There are basically 3 streams of rubber progressions to go down. You can go the Rozena>Tenergy>05 Hard route (or ESN clone)
Or Glayzer(05/09c)>Dignics(05/09c)
Or Hurricane Commercial>Provincial>National.

Reading through, it sounds like you don't like the bouncy nature of the Spring Sponge High Tension technology (Fastarc G1 is a similar rubber), so I'd suggest Hurricane 3 Neo with a couple layers of booster would work well. That would be a safe choice.

And as you're training a lot, the mechanical demands should actually help you over time.

 

[Matej T]

There are basically 3 streams of rubber progressions to go down. You can go the Rozena>Tenergy>05 Hard route (or ESN clone)
Or Glayzer(05/09c)>Dignics(05/09c)
Or Hurricane Commercial>Provincial>National.

Reading through, it sounds like you don't like the bouncy nature of the Spring Sponge High Tension technology (Fastarc G1 is a similar rubber), so I'd suggest Hurricane 3 Neo with a couple layers of booster would work well. That would be a safe choice.

And as you're training a lot, the mechanical demands should actually help you over time.

my only issue with H3 or d09 is it cannot be used with korbel or any other 5 ply wood blade i tried the H3 national with fzd super and normal alc and + 3 layers of haifu booster and it was still slower than t05 on 5 ply and i bought the korbel week ago so i want to use it for a while before getting alc, i intentionally bought the korbel instead of alc blade so i can handle it better while still developing so my idea is to buy tenergy now and when im ready for the carbon i buy the carbon and keep the tenergy and if i feel its too fast i can get the h3 or d09. Idk if this makes any sense tho…

 

[latej]

Matej, I'd suggest Glayzer + Rozena this time. You'll see how you like it. I wanted to suggest G09C FH and Glayzer BH, but you said you don't like G09C, that can happen, it's fine. Don't get D09C, you'll like it even less. Forget H3 for a while, give it a year, and try that after a year.

About Glayzer, I have it on the BH, after many rubbers, it has the right hardness for my BH, and it is what I'd say a Butterfly's masterpiece in "compromise". Nothing exceptional, nowhere. There are rubbers which can generate more spin, but Glayzer still can generate enough spin, also for openers and flicks. It is very good for blocking, yes, there are rubbers better for blocking, but it is good enough for blocking, and there are much worse rubbers for blocking (e.g. Tenergy). And, so while we could say it is kind of average, believe me, even good players use it just fine - e.g. my friend, czech ELO cca 1950 uses it on the FH (mine is cca 1750).

Glayzer + Rozena will keep 1 side familiar, but you'll get used to Glayzer quickly anyway.

 

[merlin el mago]

well yeah but im still a begginer isn’t that too advanced for me? i was thinking about tenergy of dognic 05 maybe, i still want to develop better technique and develop my game not just buy the best gear. I could have bought the fzd alc but i didn’t so i can develop better with the korbel.

So Korbel + Zyre-03 2.5 and you are ready to win.

 

[merlin el mago]

There are basically 3 streams of rubber progressions to go down. You can go the Rozena>Tenergy>05 Hard route (or ESN clone)
Or Glayzer(05/09c)>Dignics(05/09c)
Or Hurricane Commercial>Provincial>National.

Reading through, it sounds like you don't like the bouncy nature of the Spring Sponge High Tension technology (Fastarc G1 is a similar rubber), so I'd suggest Hurricane 3 Neo with a couple layers of booster would work well. That would be a safe choice.

And as you're training a lot, the mechanical demands should actually help you over time.

I don't agree, Fastarc G-1 isn't a bouncy rubber.

 

[merlin el mago]

my only issue with H3 or d09 is it cannot be used with korbel or any other 5 ply wood blade i tried the H3 national with fzd super and normal alc and + 3 layers of haifu booster and it was still slower than t05 on 5 ply and i bought the korbel week ago so i want to use it for a while before getting alc, i intentionally bought the korbel instead of alc blade so i can handle it better while still developing so my idea is to buy tenergy now and when im ready for the carbon i buy the carbon and keep the tenergy and if i feel its too fast i can get the h3 or d09. Idk if this makes any sense tho…

If I was you I will try first the TGY05 + Korbel (I'm also an all wood 5 plies player).

 

[merlin el mago]

Matej, I'd suggest Glayzer + Rozena this time. You'll see how you like it. I wanted to suggest G09C FH and Glayzer BH, but you said you don't like G09C, that can happen, it's fine. Don't get D09C, you'll like it even less. Forget H3 for a while, give it a year, and try that after a year.

About Glayzer, I have it on the BH, after many rubbers, it has the right hardness for my BH, and it is what I'd say a Butterfly's masterpiece in "compromise". Nothing exceptional, nowhere. There are rubbers which can generate more spin, but Glayzer still can generate enough spin, also for openers and flicks. It is very good for blocking, yes, there are rubbers better for blocking, but it is good enough for blocking, and there are much worse rubbers for blocking (e.g. Tenergy). And, so while we could say it is kind of average, believe me, even good players use it just fine - e.g. my friend, czech ELO cca 1950 uses it on the FH (mine is cca 1750).

Glayzer + Rozena will keep 1 side familiar, but you'll get used to Glayzer quickly anyway.

Glayzer isn't bouncy as Rozena and it's slow so not best for Korbel.

 

[Matej T]

Matej, I'd suggest Glayzer + Rozena this time. You'll see how you like it. I wanted to suggest G09C FH and Glayzer BH, but you said you don't like G09C, that can happen, it's fine. Don't get D09C, you'll like it even less. Forget H3 for a while, give it a year, and try that after a year.

About Glayzer, I have it on the BH, after many rubbers, it has the right hardness for my BH, and it is what I'd say a Butterfly's masterpiece in "compromise". Nothing exceptional, nowhere. There are rubbers which can generate more spin, but Glayzer still can generate enough spin, also for openers and flicks. It is very good for blocking, yes, there are rubbers better for blocking, but it is good enough for blocking, and there are much worse rubbers for blocking (e.g. Tenergy). And, so while we could say it is kind of average, believe me, even good players use it just fine - e.g. my friend, czech ELO cca 1950 uses it on the FH (mine is cca 1750).

Glayzer + Rozena will keep 1 side familiar, but you'll get used to Glayzer quickly anyway.

yeah thanks, i haven’t played enough matches bur i think im around 1100 rn… i have friend with 2000 and he played glazers too now he switched to t05 hard.

 

[merlin el mago]

That's make sense because your friend is used to hard rubbers but you not.

 

[Matej T]

That's make sense because your friend is used to hard rubbers but you not.

im not rly used to anything tbh before that i played some 1.7 thibar begginer rubber (speedy spin premium) on andro off cheap blade…

 

[merlin el mago]

When I coach beginners always told him to start with all round all wood 5 plies wood because it's essential to learn all techniques not only to attack and also to defend and the only blade can do is this kind of blade, about rubbers always starting with hard sponge chinese rubbers to master the spin.

And in place to waste your money trying new blades & rubbers hire a good coach and train the maximum time you can afford with him to learn, also play competition the maximum time you can have because playing matches and losing you are also learning.

For example a cheap Stiga All Round Classic with a couple of cheap Yinhe Mercury II or Friendship 729 FX Super or commercial DHS H3 and you are done to learn.