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Hey everyone,

Since I have no coach IRL to help me with this topic I am posting here to get some useful tips. I will start with these players since I will be playing against them in 2h.


(I didn't film my last encounter)


If you respond with a timestamp of a certain match it's even more helpful. Right now I play without a specific tactic. I am mostly reacting to balls I try to not block twice to the same place but sometimes end up blocking to their hitzone this way (eg. I block to the bh and then try to block to the middle but then end up blocking the ball to their fh)
I also never aim very var into the corners mostly to the middle side of the table.
I also struggle with my positioning on in the rally. I stay way too middle to cover the entire table so eg. I loop from my backhand position with the fh and then immediately go to the middle and take the next ball with my bh. And then I mostly "drive" or "lift" the ball back giving up the initative. Entire game I feel like I am out of position.

Also any tips about which Drills I would benefit from that is also playable with worse players, that would fix these issues over time is appreciated aswell.

My current setup is Peter Korbel JP with D09c both sides but in this video I was playing with W968 and D09c both sides. Today I will buy T05 FX for my bh and T19 for my FH and see if I can get more confident playing.

I also wanted to ask if the book Table tennis tactics for thinkers is still worth reading in todays time?

Also I will be joining more tournaments in germany since we have here only 2 per year. I think that will keep me motivated further and get me the matchpraxis against other players that I need. If you live in southern germany hit me up!
 
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I might be wrong but don't think you need professional equipment like W968 and D09C. Will be easier for you if you get something like Sweden Extra with Rakza 7 soft or at least Rozena on both sides. You don't need Dignics and Tenergy
 
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I also struggle with my positioning on in the rally. I stay way too middle to cover the entire table so eg. I loop from my backhand position with the fh and then immediately go to the middle and take the next ball with my bh. And then I mostly "drive" or "lift" the ball back giving up the initative. Entire game I feel like I am out of position.
What I see: you feel as though you're struggling with positioning because you're not moving during the rally. When you do move, you usually start moving late, e.g., after your opponent has already hit the ball, right before you are going to hit the ball, or even sometimes as you are hitting the ball.

At your level, tactics are not going to take you nearly as far as improving your movement habits. Next time you play (match or practice), try to focus almost entirely on moving your feet as soon as possible, i.e., right after the ball has left your racket (including after you serve). Don't stand and watch your shot -- as soon as you've hit the ball, pick your feet up and move to a neutral position that covers the places your opponent is likely to hit the ball next. Even if the distance is small, use the time to try to get in the perfect position. Try to see how quickly you can get there. It will take some conscious effort and focus on this, at least at first. Pay attention to how balanced you feel and the tension in different parts of your legs, back and abs, and how it does or doesn't help you move faster.

It might help to do some warmup exercises before you start playing, like jumping jacks or agility ladder.
 
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What I see: you feel as though you're struggling with positioning because you're not moving during the rally. When you do move, you usually start moving late, e.g., after your opponent has already hit the ball, right before you are going to hit the ball, or even sometimes as you are hitting the ball.

At your level, tactics are not going to take you nearly as far as improving your movement habits. Next time you play (match or practice), try to focus almost entirely on moving your feet as soon as possible, i.e., right after the ball has left your racket (including after you serve). Don't stand and watch your shot -- as soon as you've hit the ball, pick your feet up and move to a neutral position that covers the places your opponent is likely to hit the ball next. Even if the distance is small, use the time to try to get in the perfect position. Try to see how quickly you can get there. It will take some conscious effort and focus on this, at least at first. Pay attention to how balanced you feel and the tension in different parts of your legs, back and abs, and how it does or doesn't help you move faster.

It might help to do some warmup exercises before you start playing, like jumping jacks or agility ladder.
Yes it feels like when I stand still atleast that that is my neutral position and I don't really see the need to move because I am covering the "entire" table.

When you do move, you usually start moving late, e.g., after your opponent has already hit the ball, right before you are going to hit the ball, or even sometimes as you are hitting the ball.
after your opponent has already hit the ball,
Well now I know where I need to move
right before you are going to hit the ball
Small correction before I hit the ball
or even sometimes as you are hitting the ball
Even pros do this. Especially if each ms is counting I can't always be perfectly ready and steady and as long as I am transfering the energy into the ball I see no problem here.

But I do agree that I am a bit clueless after I hit my shot where I should shuffle my feet. One of the downsides of being tall maybe that I think I just need to stand in the middle and think I am covering the entire table without having to move one bit.

I do think that shot selection, what to serve (more) and how I should receive or play the first 2 balls plays a big role in beating players like them.
 
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I do think that shot selection, what to serve (more) and how I should receive or play the first 2 balls plays a big role in beating players like them.
But this is hard to discern without knowing what and where you like to serve and what the opponents do with those serves.

The one thing you do way too much of is serve half long, get a push and then float the ball back, and sometimes after getting a push back, float the ball back again. Yet you won two matches doing that. If someone tells you to attack rather than push, will that help you win if it takes you out of your comfort zone?

Most serves in modern table tennis should go the short forehand as most players do not have good short pushes out of the short forehand, especially against dead serves and their flicks are not usually great either. The danger though is if the serve drifts long into the forehand. But do you have a serve good enough to execute that? And if you lose serving into the short forehand against players you beat playing naturally, is that a good strategy?

Strategy and tactics, given how you want to play, are not much harder than doing a few things, selecting what works more and doing what works less and hoping the opponent doesn't adjust in a way you cannot counter. The problem is when what you need to grow your game comes into conflict with what you might need to do to win. Do you continue to attack when you can't put the ball on the table or do you shut down and start pushing?

These players other than the very first player don't look extremely consistent. Even there, serving long got you into trouble more than anything else. The opponent popped up a lot of short serves and gave you attacking opportunities. If you serve long, make sure where you put the ball is somewhere that forces the opponent to move substantially. If you spin the ball against the players consistently you will beat them. They can block but they just need to made to move around.
 
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But this is hard to discern without knowing what and where you like to serve and what the opponents do with those serves.

The one thing you do way too much of is serve half long, get a push and then float the ball back, and sometimes after getting a push back, float the ball back again. Yet you won two matches doing that. If someone tells you to attack rather than push, will that help you win if it takes you out of your comfort zone?

Most serves in modern table tennis should go the short forehand as most players do not have good short pushes out of the short forehand, especially against dead serves and their flicks are not usually great either. The danger though is if the serve drifts long into the forehand. But do you have a serve good enough to execute that? And if you lose serving into the short forehand against players you beat playing naturally, is that a good strategy?

Strategy and tactics, given how you want to play, are not much harder than doing a few things, selecting what works more and doing what works less and hoping the opponent doesn't adjust in a way you cannot counter. The problem is when what you need to grow your game comes into conflict with what you might need to do to win. Do you continue to attack when you can't put the ball on the table or do you shut down and start pushing?

These players other than the very first player don't look extremely consistent. Even there, serving long got you into trouble more than anything else. The opponent popped up a lot of short serves and gave you attacking opportunities. If you serve long, make sure where you put the ball is somewhere that forces the opponent to move substantially. If you spin the ball against the players consistently you will beat them. They can block but they just need to made to move around.
That's the issue with talking tactics at this level of play. What can you realistically execute? Also, if per @Zezima's account he's mostly just reacting during play, he needs to first develop the ability to add thinking into the game first, i.e. make it read-think-react rather than read-react. That's not a trivial change, and until he can do that AND develop an arsenal of responses to each situation that he can execute, then there's really no point in talking tactics.
 
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That's the issue with talking tactics at this level of play. What can you realistically execute? Also, if per @Zezima's account he's mostly just reacting during play, he needs to first develop the ability to add thinking into the game first, i.e. make it read-think-react rather than read-react. That's not a trivial change, and until he can do that AND develop an arsenal of responses to each situation that he can execute, then there's really no point in talking tactics.
His level (and even that of his opponents) is not that bad, the problem is more that he doesn't play his game in a way that lends itself to understanding what strengths he should impose. That said, even up to USATT 2200, we have so much stuff wrong with our games that high level coaches prefer to work on those things, especially footwork, rather than discuss tactics.
 
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That's the issue with talking tactics at this level of play. What can you realistically execute? Also, if per @Zezima's account he's mostly just reacting during play, he needs to first develop the ability to add thinking into the game first, i.e. make it read-think-react rather than read-react. That's not a trivial change, and until he can do that AND develop an arsenal of responses to each situation that he can execute, then there's really no point in talking tactics.
I agree with all of that except the last line.
There is definitely a point to talk tactics.
At every level of the game there is tactical thinking that can help. It's more rudimentary at beginner level for sure but it's not insignificant either.
One of the greatest aids to finding and developing that additional step in the mindset is to employ tactics in our matches.
It might be as simple as where we serve, what serve and observing what the opponent likes or doesn't like but it's certainly helpful.
Opponent long pushes all long serves, great, I can serve long backspin and open up.
Opponent likes to attack but I am very comfortable blocking them then there's a checklist of things for that situation too.
I'm sure you have a mental checklist of things you'll try in game 1 V a new opponent right?
I think Zez has at least the TT basics to add that to his match play for every match.
Going in blind and just winging it against players in league matches is asking to lose to players you could otherwise have beaten.
And additionally, choosing tactics and sticking to them is also a great help to avoid falling back into that passive/fearful mindset that can take players over in matches. If the tactic against someone is to attack their long pushes then you've a reminder to stick with that rather than reverting to mindless long pushes that are no help to your match development at all.
 
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I think I should clarify, rally tactics is not really useful at lower levels, it should really be limited to just the first 3 balls. The OP mentioned specific situations which he hope to ameliorate with tactical changes, and all of those situations are in a rally, so I was mainly referring to that.
 
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I agree with all of that except the last line.
There is definitely a point to talk tactics.
At every level of the game there is tactical thinking that can help. It's more rudimentary at beginner level for sure but it's not insignificant either.
One of the greatest aids to finding and developing that additional step in the mindset is to employ tactics in our matches.
It might be as simple as where we serve, what serve and observing what the opponent likes or doesn't like but it's certainly helpful.
Opponent long pushes all long serves, great, I can serve long backspin and open up.
Opponent likes to attack but I am very comfortable blocking them then there's a checklist of things for that situation too.
I'm sure you have a mental checklist of things you'll try in game 1 V a new opponent right?
I think Zez has at least the TT basics to add that to his match play for every match.
Going in blind and just winging it against players in league matches is asking to lose to players you could otherwise have beaten.
And additionally, choosing tactics and sticking to them is also a great help to avoid falling back into that passive/fearful mindset that can take players over in matches. If the tactic against someone is to attack their long pushes then you've a reminder to stick with that rather than reverting to mindless long pushes that are no help to your match development at all.
That was the other point a high level coach I know used to make, it was that the kinds of tactics he would teach should be common sense and that if you play proper TT, most of the tactics tend to take care of themself. If someone needs to tell you that you are getting beat in backhand exchanges and when you put the ball on the backhand, you are either too stressed or need to find another sport.1
I think I should clarify, rally tactics is not really useful at lower levels, it should really be limited to just the first 3 balls. The OP mentioned specific situations which he hope to ameliorate with tactical changes, and all of those situations are in a rally, so I was mainly referring to that.
I somewhat agree but it is not that bad, but I do agree with you. The OP's style does not try to dominate within the first few shots though he does have some nice serve and attack with his shorter serves. Just wish he could be consistent about this.
 
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The third video has a great reference point for your foot work. Something to look at is that red line. You have no business being behind that line as you don't play an away from the table game. Note how you creep past that line as you have this habit of little shifts backwards and you do it more as you get tired and loose confidence. When you go behind that line, your FH looses power as you are starting to reach and take the ball as it is dropping and this just sets your opponent up for an attack. Just something to think about moving forward as that line shows how you creep back against opponents who are not hitting the ball hard at all. You are creeping back, depowering your FH in particular, and giving your opponent better angles to work with, resulting in you stretching and lifting your foot.

This can be a difficult habit to break. A good drill for this is to do a stable rally where every 5th (pick a number that works for you) shot you have to come back forward to the table. You might surprise yourself how easy it is to attack moving forward particularly with your height. This can help teach an awareness and hopefully an unconscious get back to the table habit.


Regarding your gear setup since you have a thread running about it. You are correct that nobody plays short or over the table..this is unusual as serves that predictably go over the edge of the table should be punished, particularly slow to medium serves. I would definitely be looking at rubbers that focus on this over rubbers that are strong over the table. Seems pointless looking at the people you are competing against. I would be focusing on overpowering my opponents shots and I would select rubbers that help you do this. You are at your best when you are driving the point, so do this.

Since you like to work your way back....I would definitely set you up with catapult focused rubbers and no hard rubber, medium. They will help you attack first with an open up and when you go back, the catapult effect makes it harder for your opponent to take the speed and spin off the ball dropping it short on you back there. You want to attack first and create a game where the ball is coming to you nicely to attack.
 
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But this is hard to discern without knowing what and where you like to serve and what the opponents do with those serves.

The one thing you do way too much of is serve half long, get a push and then float the ball back, and sometimes after getting a push back, float the ball back again. Yet you won two matches doing that. If someone tells you to attack rather than push, will that help you win if it takes you out of your comfort zone?

Most serves in modern table tennis should go the short forehand as most players do not have good short pushes out of the short forehand, especially against dead serves and their flicks are not usually great either. The danger though is if the serve drifts long into the forehand. But do you have a serve good enough to execute that? And if you lose serving into the short forehand against players you beat playing naturally, is that a good strategy?

Strategy and tactics, given how you want to play, are not much harder than doing a few things, selecting what works more and doing what works less and hoping the opponent doesn't adjust in a way you cannot counter. The problem is when what you need to grow your game comes into conflict with what you might need to do to win. Do you continue to attack when you can't put the ball on the table or do you shut down and start pushing?

These players other than the very first player don't look extremely consistent. Even there, serving long got you into trouble more than anything else. The opponent popped up a lot of short serves and gave you attacking opportunities. If you serve long, make sure where you put the ball is somewhere that forces the opponent to move substantially. If you spin the ball against the players consistently you will beat them. They can block but they just need to made to move around.
Yeah I do like to serve half long since I will get a long ball that I can start attacking unless they push it good back or push it to my elbow or somehow keep it short still.

I can serve short to the fh. I try to do reverse pendulum then or do it with the hook serve. I just end up being clueless what to do with that half long push in case I can't loop it myself. I seem to be not confident enough in matches atleast to just open the rally with my bh flick. I am too scared to get a block and I end up reacting only.

If you tell me to serve short to fh I can serve it short all the time. But for some reason during the game I feel like it doesn't really help me getting into the attacking position so I do it rarely I guess?

Also during the game I can't remember any ball exchanges or stuff to look out for. I don't know why I got a good ball into my hitzone back. Or even with serves I can do so many different kind of serves I don't know which ones I should go for. I usually end up with something that doesn't benefit me or him. Mostly if he can return my serves easily I default to something where I am not under pressure but still might force a long weak ball.

I also don't understand why I am practising long serves yesterday (long fast ones) and today I net 4/4 points I believe by serving long fast and I just go back to my half long serves back?
Where should I attack him? Mostly it feels like he can block with both sides well. Today in the 5th set I had mental blockage in both games vs the old and the 1st (their best player) both lost in the 5th set. I will talk about the games after I have watched it myself again and upload it. My phone battery died out in the 2nd game so I am not sure how long it filmed that match.


First match is up. Feel free to review. It just looks like I play with d09c just to block and push it's so sad.

The sets I won I had a plan. Maybe not the best plan but I was atleast fixated on it and pulled the set win twice. It was basically changing my fh receive.

In the first set I realized my fh receive is not working. So I focused told myseld to take it earlier and loosen my hand a bit. This way I could drop the balls short and didnt get under pressure by his 3rd ball attacks instantly anymore.

Later on he realized that I think and started to serve longer. I did mistakes again. Then the comment someone wrote here came to my mind that I should let the ball bounce longer and take it as late as possible and see if it drifts long. This also worked quite well and he was the one in defense play instead of 3rd ball attacking.

I think in the 5th set I dont remember but he was serving more to my bh. My bh I was so scared of looping/flicking. I don't know there seems to be no framework I am following. I just throw my loose wrist and racket into the ball. Fh feels too stiff and I go too hard sometimes and bh is too loose too safe. I do opposite strokes what I do in training basically.

In training vs weaker players I dont mind doing mistakes I know I will win either way so I play super relaxed. But in matches I have this bad mindset of being scared to lose scared to do unforced errors.

Other than that this was the first time I got this close playing him. I think it was our 4th encounter and this is the first 5th set we played. Usually he wins 3-0 and 1 time 3-1 I think.

I have two options now either work on my mental and/or slow down on the rubbers. Maybe I will even benefit from a softer rubber on bh aswell. Maybe it will make me loop more with bh aswell and not just in training.

Looking from the trainingoutcome I can stick with these rubbers and just keep on training harder. But in matches I just scrumble and don't use offensive strokes as much.

My brother said he has a gewo hype kr 47,5 on his spare blade for my bh. Otherwise just blindbuy tenergy 05 fx for bh and t19 on fh and hope for the best. Cant be worse than how I play right now. And if the tenergy 05fx turns out to be too soft then I atleast know what to look for and can go up in hardness step by step.
I rather play with rubbers I can use in matches aswell and not just in training
 
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Yeah I do like to serve half long since I will get a long ball that I can start attacking unless they push it good back or push it to my elbow or somehow keep it short still.

I can serve short to the fh. I try to do reverse pendulum then or do it with the hook serve. I just end up being clueless what to do with that half long push in case I can't loop it myself. I seem to be not confident enough in matches atleast to just open the rally with my bh flick. I am too scared to get a block and I end up reacting only.

If you tell me to serve short to fh I can serve it short all the time. But for some reason during the game I feel like it doesn't really help me getting into the attacking position so I do it rarely I guess?

Also during the game I can't remember any ball exchanges or stuff to look out for. I don't know why I got a good ball into my hitzone back. Or even with serves I can do so many different kind of serves I don't know which ones I should go for. I usually end up with something that doesn't benefit me or him. Mostly if he can return my serves easily I default to something where I am not under pressure but still might force a long weak ball.

I also don't understand why I am practising long serves yesterday (long fast ones) and today I net 4/4 points I believe by serving long fast and I just go back to my half long serves back?
Where should I attack him? Mostly it feels like he can block with both sides well. Today in the 5th set I had mental blockage in both games vs the old and the 1st (their best player) both lost in the 5th set. I will talk about the games after I have watched it myself again and upload it. My phone battery died out in the 2nd game so I am not sure how long it filmed that match.


First match is up. Feel free to review. It just looks like I play with d09c just to block and push it's so sad.

The sets I won I had a plan. Maybe not the best plan but I was atleast fixated on it and pulled the set win twice. It was basically changing my fh receive.

In the first set I realized my fh receive is not working. So I focused told myseld to take it earlier and loosen my hand a bit. This way I could drop the balls short and didnt get under pressure by his 3rd ball attacks instantly anymore.

Later on he realized that I think and started to serve longer. I did mistakes again. Then the comment someone wrote here came to my mind that I should let the ball bounce longer and take it as late as possible and see if it drifts long. This also worked quite well and he was the one in defense play instead of 3rd ball attacking.

I think in the 5th set I dont remember but he was serving more to my bh. My bh I was so scared of looping/flicking. I don't know there seems to be no framework I am following. I just throw my loose wrist and racket into the ball. Fh feels too stiff and I go too hard sometimes and bh is too loose too safe. I do opposite strokes what I do in training basically.

In training vs weaker players I dont mind doing mistakes I know I will win either way so I play super relaxed. But in matches I have this bad mindset of being scared to lose scared to do unforced errors.

Other than that this was the first time I got this close playing him. I think it was our 4th encounter and this is the first 5th set we played. Usually he wins 3-0 and 1 time 3-1 I think.

I have two options now either work on my mental and/or slow down on the rubbers. Maybe I will even benefit from a softer rubber on bh aswell. Maybe it will make me loop more with bh aswell and not just in training.

Looking from the trainingoutcome I can stick with these rubbers and just keep on training harder. But in matches I just scrumble and don't use offensive strokes as much.

My brother said he has a gewo hype kr 47,5 on his spare blade for my bh. Otherwise just blindbuy tenergy 05 fx for bh and t19 on fh and hope for the best. Cant be worse than how I play right now. And if the tenergy 05fx turns out to be too soft then I atleast know what to look for and can go up in hardness step by step.
I rather play with rubbers I can use in matches aswell and not just in training
So I watched the match. I am making some notes for the game by game:

1. first serve was long and he pushed and you used a backhand. This is risky unless you practice it a lot. Whenever you serve long to an opponent, your goal should be to use your forehand as much as possible unless you expect him to attack with his forehand and expose himself to a block.
2. second serve half long, got a push - the push popped up but you waited for it to come long and it didn't come long enough and you looped it upwards but because it wasn't heavy and you didn't wrap it, it went long. You need to know what you served, anticipate the popup and attack it while it is high.
3. He serves short, you push long, he opens and there is a brief rally and he maintains control and wins the point.
4. He serves short without backspin, you push and pop the ball up and he attacks hard.
5. You do the same to him, he pops it up and you attack hard.
6. You do it again, you get the popup, you attack hard, he blocks but you attack the next ball into the net.
5-1 for him at this point.

7. He serves, you push, he pushes back, you open and miss into the net. This is a good point and a good miss.
8. He serves, you pop it up, he attacks but you defend and wait for your chance which comes and you attack and win the point.
9. You serve, he pushes long, you push long, he attacks and misses.
10. You serve half long into the forehand and the ball pops up but he reads it as heavier backspin and misses his attack off the table.
11. He serves without backspin, you push and pop it up, he attacks hard and wins.
12. He serves, you push long and high, he attacks hard and misses.

5-7 at this point, you are down.

13. You serve reverse into the forehand with sidespin but no real backspin - he pushes and pops it up a little, you push and float the ball, he attacks hard and wins the point.
14. You serve slow half long that sits up off the table, he pivots and uses his forehand, you block, he loops again and you miss into the net and he wins the point.
15. He serves, you push long, he opens, you block, he attacks harder but misses.
16. He serves short with some backspin but a bit high - you misread the height and don't make the right contact and miss the over the table loop,
17. You serve, he pushes, you push again, he pushes and pops up the ball, you attack hard to the forehand and he gets the ball back but you block while stuck over the table, he attacks and misses.
18. You serve lazy half long into the forehand area where he doesn't have to move - maybe trying to hit his middle but not rushing him and missing your target - he kills the serve.

7-11.

So if I were coaching you, I would tell you after that game that you need to shorten the serve and serve much less backspin. And also look for opportunities to attack his serve, you need to look carefully when when he is not adding backspin. You are pushing too much, stop being surprised by the return, prepare to attack as he isn't pushing short, he either opens or pushes long.

Game 2:
1. He serves long, you push. This is a big mistake. When someone serves long backspin, they need to be really good at attacking heavy topspin if you open on the serve. You do win the point as he misses the 5th ball from your block.
2. He serves, you do a great short push and win the point outright.
3. You serve, he pushes, you push again (again, acting surprised at the result of your serve), he misses his opening.
4. You serve, get a popup and attack. He defends and wins the point but you played it properly, you do seem to be attacking to the forehand too predictably and need to move the ball around.
5. He serves, you attack the loose serve and win the point.
6. He serves, you push, he attacks, you defend the return and win the point. Not the way I would play it but at least you won the point.

5-1 you are up.

7. You serve long, he attacks, you defend and claim the initiative and win the point.
8. you serve heavy chop, he puts the ball into the net.
9. He serves long and high, you push off the table.
10. He serves half long, you open, the ball hit the net on his block and you scoop the ball, give him the initiative and he takes over and wins the point.
11. You serve long and high and he also pushes it off the table.
12. You serve long, get a push and you loop the ball into the net.

8-4 you are up.

13, He serves, you open, his block hits the net and you miss your scoop shot.
14. He serves, you push long, he tries to drive the ball but hits the top of the net and out.
15. You serve short/halflong deceptive topspin, he pops the ball up and you win the point outright on your attack.
16. You serve long and net out.
17. He serves long, you push, he attacks and wins the point.
18. He serves, you push, he doesn't feel as confident that the ball is coming out so he pushes and you win the pushing rally when he pushes into the net.

You win the game 11-7.

Again, you are playing well because you are winning on defense but you are not opening on loose balls and you are serving too long too often. Your short topspin has not been attacked so use it more often and let us see if he ever decides not to push it. Also stop attacking all the time into his forehand. you need to move the ball around a bit more. And commit to attacking the long balls, stop being surprised he is giving you long balls. IT is okay to miss because you have to learn what your opponent is putting on the ball and then adapt as the match goes on.

Game 3:

1. You serve, you get a long push off a backspin serve and you push it back (again, what were you expecting having played the match so far), and he takes the initiative and attacks. While you play one good block, it is not enough to take over the point and he wins on the next shot.
2. You serve sidespin, he pushes and pops up the ball, you spin it and he is on the defensive and you win the point ultimately.
3. Next point was very ugly or a good rally depending on your perspective. He serves a very attackable serve, the serve is coming high enough that even if it isn't long, it can be attacked outright with a forehand or a backhand. You push it, he attacks and by some good defense, you manage to level out the point, but the fear of missing leads you to not attack on shots where you have the initiative and opportunity. You do play a good counterloop and one good shot, but ultimately, he misses when the initiative is ceded to him. For me what this point shows is that you need a fully adaptable forehand even more than a powerful forehand. You need someone to feed you lots of spin variation and placement variation without telling you what is on the ball, you just have to read it and play a topspin that keeps the ball on the table.
4. This was the best point you had played the whole match for the first two shots. He served, you opened, he blocked, you attacked again, he blocked and then you do that shot that I have criticized you for every time I see it and I wasn't surprised because you practice it and it showed up in a match (it has showed up before already) and you cede the initiative with that crappy forehand and lose the point. He chops the crappy forehand, but then you push rather than attack the chop and then he takes over. It is better to continue looping and miss than to do that crappy forehand against consistent players. Also, remember that a spinny loop vs chop places pressure on the opponent do do the appropriate counter.
5. Long serve, he floats the push return, you miss the loop kill. Right play, you just didn't read the ball correctly or get close enough to do so.
6. Good serve selection even if I am not in love with the serve choice.

3-3

7. He serves, you push long, he opens, you defend, he misses.
8. He serves, you push long again, he opens but misses.

9. You serve, he pushes, the ball kicks up off the trajectory you predicted and miss.\
10. You serve, he opens, you block, he eventually cedes the initiative to you and you take over the point and you still do that crappy forehand. But I guess ultimately it says more about how you want to win points. You win the point because your forehand is too low energy for him to get back given how far off the table he is. So maybe it was smart short selection.
11. He serves, you open with backhand, he blocks, the ball doesn't sit high but the opening loaded the ball enough that this is an attackable ball but rather than continue the attack, you just reach and block it with your forehand. He takes over the point and wins.
12. He serves into the table.

7-5 you are up.

13. You serve, he pushes, you open, he blocks to your forehand, you reach and block with the forehand (this might be a foot orientation issue, or you need to learn to play your forehand out of multiple foot positions), he blocks twice and you finally attack when the blocks have become harder, while attacking the first block would have been much easier, but you miss your final attack.
14. You serve long backspin, he pushes, you push (again this is really not acceptable), he pivots and opens, you block down the line and take over the initiative and win the point.
15. He serves half long backspin/nospin but you don't start your stroke low enough and don't create enough grip and put the ball into the net.
16. He serves long backspin, you push, he attacks and this time you block long.
17. You serve lazy long topspin but he misreads it and loops it off the table.
18. You serve into the forehand, you get a push, you attack predictably into the forehand, he blocks, you block into his backhand, he blocks back to your backhand then you do a nice backhand kill down the line,

10-8

19. He serves, you push, he pushes, you push and pop it up, he attacks, you defend and win the point.


11-8

If I was coaching you, I would warn you that the opponent is going to be more aggressive since has never lost to you before. The most important thing is not to rush and to continue to defend. Serve more short topspin. Move the opening attacks into his backhand you always attack with your forehand into his forehand. There are many opportunities to open on half long balls but since you have not trained that, we just have wait till later.
 
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Even pros do this. Especially if each ms is counting I can't always be perfectly ready and steady and as long as I am transfering the energy into the ball I see no problem here.
Pros absolutely do not stand still and only start moving once they're about to hit the ball.

Making late adjustments to the ball is not a bad thing. The problem is not making early movements to recover, reset, and put yourself in good position to take advantage of the next shot, so that you end up needing to suddenly lunge or lean and reach out for the ball at the last possible moment. If every millisecond counts, then you should take advantage of those milliseconds. In these videos, you're very frequently standing still for the entirety of the time between when the ball leaves your racket and when it reaches your opponent's racket, and often even until it's about to hit your racket again.

Your problem is a very common one, so this is not advice unique to you. The main reason many players around your level struggle with this is because they feel rushed -- mentally it seems like moving your feet will take a long time, and if you don't have that time then you need to simply react, which ends up meaning you lean and reach with your hand.

The fact is, you actually have plenty of time to move your feet if you start early. Once you realize you can do that, you can start to tie it together with mentally processing what's going on, or what @dingyibvs calls read-think-react skills. That's the foundation on which you can build tactics.


Look at how you moved in the point start starts around 5:12. In that rally, you make a forehand block to your opponent's backhand, and then quickly step to your left to enable yourself to play a forehand against your opponent's next shot. You actually start moving fairly early and get a chance at a strong forehand attack. Focus on trying to move like that after every shot on every point, i.e., pick up your feet. Even if you don't need to change your position relative to the table (which is rare), this is part of recovering and gathering your weight for the next shot. There are so many rallies in which your foot positioning and overall stance barely change from one shot to the next, even when you have plenty of time (for example, a few points later at 6:05).
 
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Game 4:
1. He serves into the table.
2. He serves short, decent short push even it pops up the ball, he attacks into your forehand, you block and win the point. At this point, your coach would be cheering you on so that the opponent feels the pressure lol.
3. You serve long, he pushes, you open with your forehand, he blocks and you do a forehand block. The most generous explanation for this is that you don't have someone to sustain blocking and attacking practice for you at your club, but what you just did is terrible. The block is slow into the middle of his backhand and he pivots and kills it with his forehand.
4. You serve, he pushes, you push (broken record, I know), He attacks with his forehand but you are lucky on your last block that the ball kicks on hin and he edges the ball,
5. He serves, you push he attacks, you block, he is surprised by your block so you block, but then you attack harder than comfortably do and miss the ball into the net.
6. He serves, you push not quite short but not with much power and he misses the ball because the ball is not coming out the way he would prefer.

4-2 you're up.

7. The next point you start out somewhat well since he pushed the long serve and you attacked but attacked predictably to the forehand, blocked the next ball to his middle (and he couldn't get into position to attack so he fished up a ball you topspinned with the forehand), he blocked the ball back.

At this point, just about any trained player would have turned side on to the table ready to use a forehand to attack any ball that came back. However you are still in a stance that is goakeeper and when he blocks the ball to your forehand, you play a backhand blook and then he drives the ball to your forehand and wins the point. This is what @RefereeNumber2 means about your footwork and anticipation issues.

8. You serve backspin, he pushes long, you open with your backhand into the net. As a general rule, it is hard to attack long balls pushed back off long serves with the backhand because the backhand has a narrow timing zone. So as much as possible if you serve long and expect a long return, the backhand stroke you need to use is usually bigger than the one you usually train and the forehand stroke is usually easier for most players to attack the ball with because you can adjust the window if the ball isn't perfectly on your stroke path. Think about this as the reason why most players play choppers with their forehands and not their backhands. I am a backhand player and I would have pivoted for that ball most of the time. Long pushes of shorter serves are easier to attack with the backhands because the timing is not as unpredictable and the spins tend to be less heavy.

9. Serve, push, push, push, he opens and gets a Double Happiness net edge. Again those are long balls, you can open on them.

10. He serves long, you open great with the backhand, he bblocks, you use the forehand, he blocks and jams you and use hit the backhand long. Good offense but once you use the forehand, try to keep using the forehand.

11. He misreads your topspin serve. Very underused serve.

12. Serve long into the heart of his forehand. He opens, you block. he drives the forehand and wins the point. Serving long like that is just a bad habit and it will get punished more and more as you play better players. You have good defense. but not that good.

7-5 he is up.

13. He serves long to the forehand, You push, he loops twice to the forehand and you block twice, somehow the second block lands shorter and he waits for it and then decides to do a funky shot. You backhand topspin the shot and then he borrows the pace to continue his attack. Again, you really should have given more of the table to your forehand once you saw him getting ready to do the funky shot and then stepped in. That said, you defend his attack well and get another funky shot with which you correctly decide to use your forehand but again predictably go to the forehand, only this time, it is down the line and there isn't enough table so you miss wide. You get some credit for using for your forehand but not for missing and not for not using your forehand earlier. Even if we are not trained, there are situations where you need to get the forehand in.

14. He serves, you push short (yay!) he pushes long and again you push long (the story of the match) and then he opens and misses.

15. You serve a ball that lacks backspin and he pushes and pops the ball up long with some float, and then you push the ball back (what is the point of getting these opportunities if you won't take them) , then he opens with the forehand, follows with another forehand and wins the point.

16. You serve long to the forehand, he opens, you block and then he misses. You win this point but this is not good enough. He knows that was his point hence his reaction.

17. He serves long float, you push the ball off the table.

18. He serves long backspin, you push the ball into the net.

11-7 He wins game 4.


The whole game has gone backwards. He is taking advantage aggressively of your refusal to take offense on long backspin and is just setting up his forehand as best he can. You need to serve less backspin and be more aggressive on both sides. You will defend when the opportunity comes, but try to open when the opportunity is there. Stop serving long, serve short topspin if you want to get into the rally, at least there is a change he will get you attack if you do that.

Game 5:

1. You serve long, he chops the serve because he realizes if you get a backspin ball you will give him a chance to open. This happens, but he misses the opener.

2. You serve long again, he chops the serve off the table this time.

3. He serves float disguised as backspin, you push and pop up the ball, he attacks hard. You need to loop the long serves.

4. He serves lighter backspin/float, you pop the ball up, he drives through it and you defend the first attack. he follows up, you fish back the second attack, he blocks the ball because he realizes you are so far back you might not get to it, You come in to chop/scoop, he loops the ball and wins the point.

5. You serve the reverse, he pops it up, you attack(great) to the forehand (predictable), he brings it back and you block to keep the ball in and he fishes it back again, you loop into the backhand(!) but because you pivoted, he is waiting there, he fishes it back, you block it to the forehand, he runs it down and fishes it back, you push the ball, he pushes the ball back and then you open with ypur backhand (probably the riskiest shot one can take in this situation as the backhand has a small window and you can't be sure his ball has backspin so you need to use the forehand so you can watch the ball for as long as possible) and you miss the ball long.

6. You serve reverse, he pushes, you push back (sigh) and pop the ball up, he attacks, you defend with a forehand block, he puts the ball back with his backhand, you play a backhand topspin, he blocks, and then you play a forehand that acts like there is a ton of topspin on the ball (there isn't ) so the ball goes into the net. That forehand needed way thicker contact and in general, you need to practice flat hitting/smashing much more. Not because you will use it but you need to understand it.

4- 2 he is up.

7. He serves backspin long, you push, he attacks, you block, he loops hard and you miss.

change of ends.


8. He serves long backspin, you open(!), he blocks with his backhand and moves off the table, then you loop to his forehand (No, you are not supposed to loop the forehand of a player who is off the table unless his name is Liam Pitchford), he counters with his forehand and you block into the net.

9. You serve fast and long off the table.

10. You serve an interesting and good short/half long serve, he pushes early and the ball comes long, you push back (SIGH), he attacks and misses.

11. He serves, you push shortish, he pushes long to your forehand (which is not a good move, but he probably knows his opponent) and you loop the ball into the net. You need more acceleration on your forehand with the fingers and forearm.

12. He serves long to your backhand you try to open but put the ball into the net. Your contact was way too thick for the situation in the match. You should brush that ball to the sky and if it goes off the table so be it. but even better, it should just land short on the table and let him attack it and hope you have put enough spin to mess him up.

13. You serve long backspin, he pushes, you open but you don't put enough arc on the ball and it nets out. Honestly, for someone who practiced hitting the ball with power on the forehand you should have spent way more time applying slow heavy topspin to the ball.

14. You serve long, he opens with the forehand (he is play his up 10-3 game), you block, he loops to your forehand, you block again, and then he tries his up 10-3 backhand and the ball goes long.

15. He serves long backspin into your forehand and you whiff the serve.

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1. On the whole, you need a lot of forehand and footwork drills. They don't even have to be fast. But they need to have you moving and playing forehands and repeating the forehands over at least 2/3s of the table. I have no plyometric push in my legs and I am a backhand player and yet I find the forehand more than you do - that makes no sense. I would recommend that you have someone feed you in multiball, one ball to your wide forehand, one ball to the middle, one ball to the backhand and you practice using your forehand in all three positions, jumping from one spot to the next, preparing to make the shot.

2. Since you are so reluctant to attack pushes, you need to serve less pure backspin as a tactical adjustment. You got a lot of pushes on your short sidespin serves (I never saw him flick a single one of them) so you are severely underusing them, at least against this opponent.

3. For your self development, you need to practice attacking the long ball as a habit. Your defensive game will never go away, but there are players you will never have a chance to beat if you never put pressure on them.

4. The rubber change, I don't know. It's probably a good idea if the effort of using D09c after moving off the table, especially on a Korbel, is part of what is hurting you. And your arm acceleration is probably not strong enough to consistently use d09c at the moment. But the real problem on the whole is your ability to get into position to set up your body to power your offensive shots. You don't habitually anticipate and prepare to explode into the ball. MAybe a less sticky rubber would at least let you do more with less. I would probably go to Tenergy 80 since that is what Petr Korbel uses. But I personally if I was using what you used would go with Zyre 03 in some form. But I am not sure you have the arm acceleration to use Zyre.

5. Your forehand push is awesome and I would develop it much more and add more variation to it. Not sure whether it will still be awesome with T80 but I would definitely try.

6. Finally practice a lot of flat hitting. I think that you really need to learn how to smash. if you do, and then learn to spin out of that, it will change how thickly you contact the ball and teach you different ways of getting more pace on the ball. I think the main reason you struggle with D09c is that you try to take the ball too late. That is something that both T80 or T19 will help you with because they work better from mid distance for sure.

7. When someone loops to your forehand, develop the habit if you have time of always playing a counter topspin. You need to stop blocking ten feet off the table.


8. Stop being so afraid to miss, it is only table tennis!

Alright, good luck.
 
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Yeah I do like to serve half long since I will get a long ball that I can start attacking unless they push it good back or push it to my elbow or somehow keep it short still.

I can serve short to the fh. I try to do reverse pendulum then or do it with the hook serve. I just end up being clueless what to do with that half long push in case I can't loop it myself. I seem to be not confident enough in matches atleast to just open the rally with my bh flick. I am too scared to get a block and I end up reacting only.

If you tell me to serve short to fh I can serve it short all the time. But for some reason during the game I feel like it doesn't really help me getting into the attacking position so I do it rarely I guess?

Also during the game I can't remember any ball exchanges or stuff to look out for. I don't know why I got a good ball into my hitzone back. Or even with serves I can do so many different kind of serves I don't know which ones I should go for. I usually end up with something that doesn't benefit me or him. Mostly if he can return my serves easily I default to something where I am not under pressure but still might force a long weak ball.

I also don't understand why I am practising long serves yesterday (long fast ones) and today I net 4/4 points I believe by serving long fast and I just go back to my half long serves back?
Where should I attack him? Mostly it feels like he can block with both sides well. Today in the 5th set I had mental blockage in both games vs the old and the 1st (their best player) both lost in the 5th set. I will talk about the games after I have watched it myself again and upload it. My phone battery died out in the 2nd game so I am not sure how long it filmed that match.


First match is up. Feel free to review. It just looks like I play with d09c just to block and push it's so sad.

The sets I won I had a plan. Maybe not the best plan but I was atleast fixated on it and pulled the set win twice. It was basically changing my fh receive.

In the first set I realized my fh receive is not working. So I focused told myseld to take it earlier and loosen my hand a bit. This way I could drop the balls short and didnt get under pressure by his 3rd ball attacks instantly anymore.

Later on he realized that I think and started to serve longer. I did mistakes again. Then the comment someone wrote here came to my mind that I should let the ball bounce longer and take it as late as possible and see if it drifts long. This also worked quite well and he was the one in defense play instead of 3rd ball attacking.

I think in the 5th set I dont remember but he was serving more to my bh. My bh I was so scared of looping/flicking. I don't know there seems to be no framework I am following. I just throw my loose wrist and racket into the ball. Fh feels too stiff and I go too hard sometimes and bh is too loose too safe. I do opposite strokes what I do in training basically.

In training vs weaker players I dont mind doing mistakes I know I will win either way so I play super relaxed. But in matches I have this bad mindset of being scared to lose scared to do unforced errors.

Other than that this was the first time I got this close playing him. I think it was our 4th encounter and this is the first 5th set we played. Usually he wins 3-0 and 1 time 3-1 I think.

I have two options now either work on my mental and/or slow down on the rubbers. Maybe I will even benefit from a softer rubber on bh aswell. Maybe it will make me loop more with bh aswell and not just in training.

Looking from the trainingoutcome I can stick with these rubbers and just keep on training harder. But in matches I just scrumble and don't use offensive strokes as much.

My brother said he has a gewo hype kr 47,5 on his spare blade for my bh. Otherwise just blindbuy tenergy 05 fx for bh and t19 on fh and hope for the best. Cant be worse than how I play right now. And if the tenergy 05fx turns out to be too soft then I atleast know what to look for and can go up in hardness step by step.
I rather play with rubbers I can use in matches aswell and not just in training
It is important to recognise that you are improving without doubt. Way better body position at the start of every point and when you are closer to the table and the ball bounces, good attacking shots, and IMO is the game you should be playing. I want you dominating the table and forcing your opponent to have to go back and play defensively. IMO, this is your game and is the game and strategy you want to play against every opponent. When you go back, you are beaten by angles and footwork.

I was going to write something long, with parts of your game, but I think it is simple. You lack confidence because you are using hard rubbers that are designed for absolute peak performance returns. Lots of people are going to go on and on about training.....You know this, I know this....everyone knows this.....But you do not have a coach and do not have access to people willing to help you in person. So none of this is going to help you.

You need confidence.

You need a different solution, as saying it doesn't make it happen...What you can control is your rubbers. Go for medium rubbers that help you play, over heavy, hard rubbers designed for peak performance that you can't achieve in a match situation. If you decide to go, for example, a T05... don't get Max because you won't be able to control it, and we will be back at where we started. Go 1.9mm, and you will have the control you want, plus the automatic spin and speed you are trying to generate. You will find that you can play more attacking shots, closer to the table, and open-ups are considerably easier than with a Hard rubber. And when you get on top of this, then you can start to think about a thicker sponge, but given your height, I very much doubt you need it.

Your strategy is very important in a game, but having confidence to play your shots is more important, as the best strategy in the world means nothing if you do not have the confidence to execute.
 
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I can't go too long ATM but to me the biggest most important and clear thing is simple :

In my humble opinion only, and I'm not a vet at all - I'd suggest you play WAY more aggressive, attack a lot more, play the ball much lower when defending.

You have good shots at times but I'm not sure why you're playing so so passive. It's asking for trouble IMO.
 
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Sadly battery died out basically I was up 2-1 and it was 9-9 in the 5th. My brother who counts told me to loop no matter what.
Then I ended up looping with the bh twice into the net because my dumb as and my technique tends to be too long when looping harder. So twice I looped ONLY with my wrist and then even forcefully break my wrist motion. It still haunts me today.. like why not fully do it like I do in trainings drills.... I am so angry about that more than the fact I lost.


Anyway this player would be the perfect trainingspartner to work on my footwork issues. You can clearly see as in the first game I stand parallel a lot instead of taking my right leg back or moving with the left leg in and rotate into the ball.

Tactic aspect:
Around 2:45 you can see I do really good placement into his elbow. He gets unstable. What do I do? Try to send a fast shot parallel instead playing the ball again to his elbow and trying to use my fh for the next shot. This is what I mean when talking about tactics that I am not placing the balls well even though I have the options and ability to place it anywhere there.
Lots of placement mistakes all over the game where he pressures me with these fast drives and I am running left and right.

I also hate my mentality and the fact I am chickening out and don't have the loop mentality but more so block push.

I also had 0 confidence in my bh that game there are like only 2-3 points per match I think where I actively use a bh loop. I just had the feeling I would send it out. My wrist is too loose and my motion seems too big aswell.

I will read all your comments today later I am still on my phone. Just cut this video and uploaded it. I couldnt sleep yesterday was awake till 2am.

Even though I am happy with the 2-3 vs the first player result wise playing wise I was not as happy. Vs Issa I was not happy with either. I also hated that I was somewhat favourite since I beat him 3-1 in my last encounter so I felt the pressure after he had a good start in the 4th set when I know ok this is gonna be a 5th set match..
 
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I can't go too long ATM but to me the biggest most important and clear thing is simple :

In my humble opinion only, and I'm not a vet at all - I'd suggest you play WAY more aggressive, attack a lot more, play the ball much lower when defending.

You have good shots at times but I'm not sure why you're playing so so passive. It's asking for trouble IMO.
I think it is from his hard rubbers. Inconsistent rubber activation is killing his confidence.
 
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