Looking for a Fh Rubber

[piligrim]

Why not Loki Arthur China?

 

[Zezima]

This is so contradicting. You want a softer rubber than 09C, but you dont feel the difference between 09C and R48. Do you know how much softer R48 already is?? If you dont feel the difference in these, then R45 isnt going to give you what you are looking for.



I dont think you play nessecarly bad with 09C looking at your footage. But I do agree that the rubber is not very forgiving if you dont hit the ball properly. So if you wanna change to a rubber thats more stable and forgiving then my reccomendations still stand: G1 and/or R7 on either side. These rubbers have been working for over 15 years now. G1 has been THE top selling rubber on TT11 ever since it came out. So if they work for everyone else, they should work for you too.

Rasanters are also a good pick, Im sure the R45, R47 and R48 will all work once you get used to them. Maybe try NUZN 45 or 48 if you are desperate for something new. But other than that: stop looking, stop arguing. Take it or leave it. I have no intention to 'hunt you down' with this, but please just dont overthink this too much.

Honestly I don't remember if I tried R48 on Long 5 or not either way thats 3-4 years ago. I went from 47° hardness like Aurus and Aurus Prime etc towards the hardest rubber which is the d09c. So going a step back to g09c was the right direction but the rubber still felt very hard. I wouldn't know exactly if especially on Korbel I would be able to tell that it's soft enough to me. I think I would need to give it a fair shot. I do remember trying out a used R42 on my bh on Long 5 3years ago and I couldn't really feel the difference between that rubber and a 47° Rubber.

So I went with the harder rubber since I have a positive feeling when I know a rubber has even more potential than my current playing level.

This is a bit contradicting maybe but what's selling the most doesn't have to be a good rubber for my case. I have a different anatomy than most players. If anything I would need to see what tall players with similiar playing style or the style I want to play but are not that high level yet play. But good luck finding that out. In the Trainingscamp I was 2 months ago, the 2m tall player was playing d09c on his fh but his fh was much much better and faster. And the funny thing is he doesn't even think about his technique that much but the sheer powerful topspin in warmup he could produce it was atleast 30% higher than my max. Even he had something softer on his backhand. I just don't remember what he had damn. But since he was also consistently looping with the bh more than me it should be clear I should go back a step there aswell.

My brother and teammates and even some players online tell me it's a big mental problem for me. I just wonder if I can make this mental problem, that I am too passive even though I can hit all these active shots, better if I had a more consistent rubber in terms of threshold when the sponge gets activated. I think I would be more comfortable for now if the sponge activates earlier.

Or I stick to this setup further since I can do all the shots but I don't know how to work on the mental aspect. I think I will eventually get there but slower maybe? My brain stops my movements many many times even if I decide to go for an active stroke. At 9-9 I knew I am gonna flick with my bh and prepared myself mentally but once I got close to hitting the ball my brain doesn't trust my hand anymore and stops my movement both times landing into the net.
So the safer I tried to play the more breaking and stopping my movement happened /shortened but slower snap.
I don't even need a coach for this to see and know why I lost or what I did wrong there with my movement.
Also don't get me wrong it's not because of that one 9-9 game in the 5th set but generally if the score is close or I am 2-3 points behind.

I also agree that this discussion been going on for too long. I will just have to think about this for now how I should proceed with my fear in matches.

 

[chinacurious]

I've also recently "downgraded" my backhand rubber and made a very good experience with Nuzn 45. Maybe for forehand Nuzn 48 might be worth looking into.

Since you are austrian I assume you speak german. Here is a review (not by me) you might find interesting:

TT-NEWS Tischtennis Forum - Einzelnen Beitrag anzeigen - Andro Nuzn 48 und 45

Tischtennis Portal - News, Forum, Ergebnisse, Material, TT-Shop, alles rund um den Tischtennis Sport. Europa´s Tischtennis Seite Nr.1

forum.tt-news.de

 

[NextLevel]

I also agree that this discussion been going on for too long. I will just have to think about this for now how I should proceed with my fear in matches.

I used to have the same fear of missing in matches. "Fear is the mind-killer" is a great quote for table tennis. Rubber will not solve your problem automatically. The problem is solved by building a framework around your makes and misses as long as you remember that a shot that puts the ball on the table in one situation will miss the table in another and vice versa. Everything is about adapting to the ball, so when you swing, the safety is to time the ball with good spin production and use the spin to bring the ball down on the table. Consistently swinging fast and finding the contact point and then trying to vary the spin and the speed ratios in order to understand what the limits of your stroke are help you build a framework for changing your stroke in a match after you miss. But if you take a miss as a bad result, rather that even deliberately missing in a way you predict to remind yourself that you control the ball, you become a slave to always doing the stroke that you think puts the ball on the table, which doesn't expand the way you approach the ball. When my coach tried to help me learn to push topspin, he often told me to try to push the topspin ball into net, or even onto the table on my own side which is difficult, but it reminds you that you are the one adapting to the incoming spin, not trying to just get the ball onto the table and over the net, and the incoming spin is a part of that. I can serve into the net for practice to keep the ball low sometimes. And sometimes, the ball still goes over lol.

Don't let fear stop you from play table tennis. Everyone loses. It was funny hearing Hayata say that after she won a Japanese championship after being down 0-2, that she was playing tight and she reminded herself that everyone loses, it is not the end of the world, and the relaxation from doing that freed her up to play her best TT. I am completely okay with losing and missing as long as I play in a way I think was a reasonable display of my abilities. That is the attitude to have, but it is often the result of just practicing and then accepting that missing is not the end of the world, it is information to use to adapt to the ball since most people hit the ball the same way most of the time and you need to learn your opponent's spin.

 

[Zezima]

I've also recently "downgraded" my backhand rubber and made a very good experience with Nuzn 45. Maybe for forehand Nuzn 48 might be worth looking into.

Since you are austrian I assume you speak german. Here is a review (not by me) you might find interesting:

TT-NEWS Tischtennis Forum - Einzelnen Beitrag anzeigen - Andro Nuzn 48 und 45

Tischtennis Portal - News, Forum, Ergebnisse, Material, TT-Shop, alles rund um den Tischtennis Sport. Europa´s Tischtennis Seite Nr.1

forum.tt-news.de

do you know the difference between the R series and NUZN series? Even though I said I found R48 "hard" after playing with d09c for over 2years on a faster blade like Long 5 W968 and even now with Korbel that a rubber like that might feel soft enough for me to build more confidence. I also don't think the rubber should be slow because even with d09c I tend to go hard and break my form thinking I need to put so much effort instead of hitting it relaxed and then stiffen up at the right moment. With a slower rubber I am afraid of breaking my form more to get more umph into the shots.

I will note that rubber down but need to figure out the differences. R48,R47,NUZN48,T19,T80 for the FH

I used to have the same fear of missing in matches. "Fear is the mind-killer" is a great quote for table tennis. Rubber will not solve your problem automatically. The problem is solved by building a framework around your makes and misses as long as you remember that a shot that puts the ball on the table in one situation will miss the table in another and vice versa. Everything is about adapting to the ball, so when you swing, the safety is to time the ball with good spin production and use the spin to bring the ball down on the table. Consistently swinging fast and finding the contact point and then trying to vary the spin and the speed ratios in order to understand what the limits of your stroke are help you build a framework for changing your stroke in a match after you miss. But if you take a miss as a bad result, rather that even deliberately missing in a way you predict to remind yourself that you control the ball, you become a slave to always doing the stroke that you think puts the ball on the table, which doesn't expand the way you approach the ball. When my coach tried to help me learn to push topspin, he often told me to try to push the topspin ball into net, or even onto the table on my own side which is difficult, but it reminds you that you are the one adapting to the incoming spin, not trying to just get the ball onto the table and over the net, and the incoming spin is a part of that. I can serve into the net for practice to keep the ball low sometimes. And sometimes, the ball still goes over lol.

Don't let fear stop you from play table tennis. Everyone loses. It was funny hearing Hayata say that after she won a Japanese championship after being down 0-2, that she was playing tight and she reminded herself that everyone loses, it is not the end of the world, and the relaxation from doing that freed her up to play her best TT. I am completely okay with losing and missing as long as I play in a way I think was a reasonable display of my abilities. That is the attitude to have, but it is often the result of just practicing and then accepting that missing is not the end of the world, it is information to use to adapt to the ball since most people hit the ball the same way most of the time and you need to learn your opponent's spin.

I think the big problem we also have is the amount of games we have in a season. Its just ~2 months from october to end of november and then from february to end of march. With less rounds being played it feels like there is more on the line. If I had a match every week the entire season I would be more relaxed and it would be easier to play more goal oriented. Right now I still care too much about results aswell and a lot of timepressure since it ends end of march again.. But I agree I need to learn it

 

[banbekas]

I might be the only one then, but I do prefer a strict teacher that punishes when I do things wrong and rewards when done right. Plus that metallic crack sound, feeling, crazy spin, low throw angle and kick after the bounce of a well boosted H3 hitting through is still amazing

Then why do you boost if you prefer strict teacher that punishes you when you do it wrong?

Boosting softens the rubber hence makes it easier to play. Kinda loses the purpose of a strict teacher there, doesn't it? Might as well use softer and more forgiving rubbers. We are amateurs, we don't spend 8-12 hours a day to train like CNT.

If you are trying to workout, don't boost the rubber like I do, paste H3 on an All - Off- blade like I do.

I currently think the same way but without any proof (yet). I mean I have to give a softer rubber a chance I think atleast so I can say I tried atleast.

I checked vega europe and it seems like its 42°? The Woman I played against uses that hardness on her bh and her fh is r45° not sure her blade though might be timo boll alc I don't remember. But from what I have seen that team everyone plays with a fast racket but with soft rubbers.

I feel like my fh is atleast on her level maybe even better if I look at my winners with my fh. She forced me into many mistakes with her placement mostly into my elbow so she had more opportunities to finish the rally than me overall. But that's skilldiff aswell.

C1 seems to be 45° if I remember correctly but I know of noone who uses it on the fh. I do think I shouldnt go lower than 45° on the fh but maybe try a 45°.


I also have mistaken vega china with vega korea. Vega china is way too hard and I would have the same issues still.

Try it. Softer rubbers are more forgiving and considering you don't have a coach to help you, going the soft rubber route will actually help you. Amateurs all have terrible footworks and making okay quality shots with hard rubber when you are out of position is just impossible.

You feel like your FH is better only bcoz you are able to get into position. Most of the time in a match people won't be giving you that luxury. It's safe to say that you hit better FH than her is nothing but your delusion of grandeur, my friend. No offense.

Balsting the ball past your opponent with heavy spin is not the only way to win, brother. Placement and consistency are better than just blindly hitting it hard. Only hit hard when you are in position, aside from that play it safe with at most 70% of your power.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I used to have the same fear of missing in matches. "Fear is the mind-killer" is a great quote for table tennis. Rubber will not solve your problem automatically. The problem is solved by building a framework around your makes and misses as long as you remember that a shot that puts the ball on the table in one situation will miss the table in another and vice versa. Everything is about adapting to the ball, so when you swing, the safety is to time the ball with good spin production and use the spin to bring the ball down on the table. Consistently swinging fast and finding the contact point and then trying to vary the spin and the speed ratios in order to understand what the limits of your stroke are help you build a framework for changing your stroke in a match after you miss. But if you take a miss as a bad result, rather that even deliberately missing in a way you predict to remind yourself that you control the ball, you become a slave to always doing the stroke that you think puts the ball on the table, which doesn't expand the way you approach the ball. When my coach tried to help me learn to push topspin, he often told me to try to push the topspin ball into net, or even onto the table on my own side which is difficult, but it reminds you that you are the one adapting to the incoming spin, not trying to just get the ball onto the table and over the net, and the incoming spin is a part of that. I can serve into the net for practice to keep the ball low sometimes. And sometimes, the ball still goes over lol.

Don't let fear stop you from play table tennis. Everyone loses. It was funny hearing Hayata say that after she won a Japanese championship after being down 0-2, that she was playing tight and she reminded herself that everyone loses, it is not the end of the world, and the relaxation from doing that freed her up to play her best TT. I am completely okay with losing and missing as long as I play in a way I think was a reasonable display of my abilities. That is the attitude to have, but it is often the result of just practicing and then accepting that missing is not the end of the world, it is information to use to adapt to the ball since most people hit the ball the same way most of the time and you need to learn your opponent's spin.

I’m nowhere a great player and I don’t think my mental game is a strength. I’ve had very bad tournaments where my mental game was very bad.
But also very good days or matches when it was exceptionally good.

And sometimes in the same day you can make a superb match followed by a shit one or vice versa.

We are amateurs and really it doesn’t matter much if we lose. There is always a new chance next week.

Of course there are some tournaments or matches which are more important for us. These are the ones when we should put some extra effort.

For me extra effort = taking more time between points , chooing, try to think and deep breath more between points, relax my muscles between points. Forget about current score and maintain positive and agressive mindset whatever the circumstances. Even down 0-2 and 2-8…

When I do this usually I’m not too unhappy after the match. I shall of course be disappointed about the result but would not blame myself too much.

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As for FH rubber , Fastarc is an excellent choice . But Dignics for me is the best , not just in quality but also price wise because even if it’s a bit more expensive than the rest (except Zyre) it lasts much longer. Dignics05 i think is easier in FH against backspin . That’s why I’m using it

 

[NextLevel]

I’m nowhere a great player and I don’t think my mental game is a strength. I’ve had very bad tournaments where my mental game was very bad.
But also very good days or matches when it was exceptionally good.

And sometimes in the same day you can make a superb match followed by a shit one or vice versa.

We are amateurs and really it doesn’t matter much if we lose. There is always a new chance next week.

Of course there are some tournaments or matches which are more important for us. These are the ones when we should put some extra effort.

For me extra effort = taking more time between points , chooing, try to think and deep breath more between points, relax my muscles between points. Forget about current score and maintain positive and agressive mindset whatever the circumstances. Even down 0-2 and 2-8…

When I do this usually I’m not too unhappy after the match. I shall of course be disappointed about the result but would not blame myself too much.

—-
As for FH rubber , Fastarc is an excellent choice . But Dignics for me is the best , not just in quality but also price wise because even if it’s a bit more expensive than the rest (except Zyre) it lasts much longer. Dignics05 i think is easier in FH against backspin . That’s why I’m using it

In league in Austria, it is a bit different (so not always able to get a new event to practice at the next week) and he doesn't play many tournaments. But life is life, he will figure it out eventually if he can and he really needs and wants to improve.

I agree with the rest of your post. But his problems are not equipment per se, he needs to just learn to loop and put the ball on the table against all kinds of spin.

 

[victormanriquey]

Then why do you boost if you prefer strict teacher that punishes you when you do it wrong?

Boosting softens the rubber hence makes it easier to play. Kinda loses the purpose of a strict teacher there, doesn't it? Might as well use softer and more forgiving rubbers. We are amateurs, we don't spend 8-12 hours a day to train like CNT.

If you are trying to workout, don't boost the rubber like I do, paste H3 on an All - Off- blade like I do.

H3N is made to be boosted at home, they don't boost it like all tensors at the factory so you can fine tune it t your own liking, that's why it's the best rubber for the FH for me, I make it just like I want it. But without boosting, it will not play how it's supposed to play. Unless you boost, you will not understand this.

It's like driving a F1 car in the rain. With rain tires is still very hard but if done well is rewarding. What you do is driving it with summer tires, which is not a good idea for obvious reasons

 

[Zezima]

I’m nowhere a great player and I don’t think my mental game is a strength. I’ve had very bad tournaments where my mental game was very bad.
But also very good days or matches when it was exceptionally good.

And sometimes in the same day you can make a superb match followed by a shit one or vice versa.

We are amateurs and really it doesn’t matter much if we lose. There is always a new chance next week.

Of course there are some tournaments or matches which are more important for us. These are the ones when we should put some extra effort.

For me extra effort = taking more time between points , chooing, try to think and deep breath more between points, relax my muscles between points. Forget about current score and maintain positive and agressive mindset whatever the circumstances. Even down 0-2 and 2-8…

When I do this usually I’m not too unhappy after the match. I shall of course be disappointed about the result but would not blame myself too much.

—-
As for FH rubber , Fastarc is an excellent choice . But Dignics for me is the best , not just in quality but also price wise because even if it’s a bit more expensive than the rest (except Zyre) it lasts much longer. Dignics05 i think is easier in FH against backspin . That’s why I’m using it

We are amateurs and really it doesn’t matter much if we lose. There is always a new chance next week.

I just wish we had more matches as I said earlier the league lasts 2months 2x a year with only 2x tournaments per year.

I will actually sign up to some tournaments in germany but I will be driving around 3-4h to get there. Just to get some more match praxis. I hope you can understand me if only this little period counts per year that I take the games more serious which affects my mental a lot..

I am leaning towards t19 for now for the fh. G1 I know already but I want to try out something else.

I don't need a rubber vs backspin. I am very good at lifting backspin balls and would never buy a rubber based on that anyway. It's a "spin reading" and "wanting too much" problem for me if I miss those..

 

[Zezima]

H3N is made to be boosted at home, they don't boost it like all tensors at the factory so you can fine tune it t your own liking, that's why it's the best rubber for the FH for me, I make it just like I want it. But without boosting, it will not play how it's supposed to play. Unless you boost, you will not understand this.

It's like driving a F1 car in the rain. With rain tires is still very hard but if done well is rewarding. What you do is driving it with summer tires, which is not a good idea for obvious reasons

I boosted that rubber twice (for the first time in my life 2 sheets) but that rubber plays worse than d09c for me. I have a video of me playing D80,g1 (on korbel) and d09c,h3n 39 boosted on W968. On Korbel I looped with G1 the best in comparison to D80. And with the W968 I looped with d09c best activating the sponge more frequently. And that H3n feeling felt so bad. You get 0 dopamine when hitting "right" and it just feelt so exhausting.

 

[victormanriquey]

I boosted that rubber twice (for the first time in my life 2 sheets) but that rubber plays worse than d09c for me. I have a video of me playing D80,g1 (on korbel) and d09c,h3n 39 boosted on W968. On Korbel I looped with G1 the best in comparison to D80. And with the W968 I looped with d09c best activating the sponge more frequently. And that H3n feeling felt so bad. You get 0 dopamine when hitting "right" and it just feelt so exhausting.

It is possible the you prefer 09c yes, matter of taste, I have 09c on BH and for my forehand I really don't like it, throws way too high. I find it weird though that a H3N well boosted would play bad on W968, that almost seems impossible to me haha but I believe you is fine, it's a matter of preference

 

[Zezima]

It is possible the you prefer 09c yes, matter of taste, I have 09c on BH and for my forehand I really don't like it, throws way too high. I find it weird though that a H3N well boosted would play bad on W968, that almost seems impossible to me haha but I believe you is fine, it's a matter of preference

do you have a video of yourself in a match situation? I know I was surprised aswell. The d09c gives me a little umph effect when I hit it right and forwards spinny, so I know I did it right but I am looking for a rubber that achieves the same at a lower threshhold.

 

[piligrim]

I just wish we had more matches as I said earlier the league lasts 2months 2x a year with only 2x tournaments per year.

I will actually sign up to some tournaments in germany but I will be driving around 3-4h to get there. Just to get some more match praxis. I hope you can understand me if only this little period counts per year that I take the games more serious which affects my mental a lot..

3-4h driving its not that bad. In my area people drive 5-6 hours to play tournament

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I just wish we had more matches as I said earlier the league lasts 2months 2x a year with only 2x tournaments per year.

I will actually sign up to some tournaments in germany but I will be driving around 3-4h to get there. Just to get some more match praxis. I hope you can understand me if only this little period counts per year that I take the games more serious which affects my mental a lot..

I am leaning towards t19 for now for the fh. G1 I know already but I want to try out something else.

I don't need a rubber vs backspin. I am very good at lifting backspin balls and would never buy a rubber based on that anyway. It's a "spin reading" and "wanting too much" problem for me if I miss those..

olympics is only every 4 years. relax man

 

[banbekas]

H3N is made to be boosted at home, they don't boost it like all tensors at the factory so you can fine tune it t your own liking, that's why it's the best rubber for the FH for me, I make it just like I want it. But without boosting, it will not play how it's supposed to play. Unless you boost, you will not understand this.

It's like driving a F1 car in the rain. With rain tires is still very hard but if done well is rewarding. What you do is driving it with summer tires, which is not a good idea for obvious reasons

H3N comes factory boosted tho. You might be referring to H3.

And yes, I was a long time H3 user. I used to change my rubber once a month back when I was still competing.

That’s exactly why I don’t understand the idea of using H3 to improve technique. Whoever is promoting this discourse is crazy. It’s unforgiving, and they say that’s why it’s better for amateurs to improve their technique. Yet they boost it to make it easier to use.

 

[Zezima]

olympics is only every 4 years. relax man

You missed the entire point. Someone who competes in olympics competes every week trains 6h+ a day etc.

You can't compare it to someone like me who trains 2-4x a week with 800-1200 Rated players for ~2h And only competes for 8 rounds and after 1 month break another 8 rounds in the span of 4months and then has a "break for the rest of the year.

But it's getting slowly better now. In germany there are race cups in swiss system. Next week I am gonna play in one. It's about 1h drive so very close to me. Not sure if I understood it right but I will play between 5-10 matches atleast.

There is another tournament in 1month from now on also in germany. So quite excited now that I will have more opportunities to play. That should help me a lot also mentality wise playing lots of games so it feels less important to me to lose.

H3N comes factory boosted tho. You might be referring to H3.

And yes, I was a long time H3 user. I used to change my rubber once a month back when I was still competing.

That’s exactly why I don’t understand the idea of using H3 to improve technique. Whoever is promoting this discourse is crazy. It’s unforgiving, and they say that’s why it’s better for amateurs to improve their technique. Yet they boost it to make it easier to use.

No I was talking about H3n blue sponge 39°. They told me to use 2 layers of booster. It curled and everything I also waited 12h twice I think. I really liked the short game for example I told them to serve short to my fh. But as you can see in actual matches noone serves me short to the fh. Atleast never short short. Shortest they serve is about half longish. Every other stroke felt like a dead d09c. I also blame my "soft" blade that didn't give me much feedback compared to korbel.

I think there are other threads to discuss h3n I don't want to use this thread for that.

Also I made the decision to stop waste further time and finally bought T19. I also bought another Korbel JP ST as a backup blade. It will be a long term investment even though I will be sad about not using the W968 for a while now.

I will be gluing both new sheets of T19 since I saw some reviews and them talking about how easy it is to use compared to t05 and the dignics series. I am a bit afraid of the catapult properties but I hope it will be controllable. And if not my brother loves the T19 on his fh and also thinks about using it for his bh.

Thanks for all the inputs

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

You missed the entire point. Someone who competes in olympics competes every week trains 6h+ a day etc.

You can't compare it to someone like me who trains 2-4x a week with 800-1200 Rated players for ~2h And only competes for 8 rounds and after 1 month break another 8 rounds in the span of 4months and then has a "break for the rest of the year.

no you missed the entire point. It's called irony. You're obviously not an Olympic player.

btw in Japan, I know some very high level players, they compete like only two or three times a year (basically the national champs, the national club champ and the Tokyo Open). So there are many more extreme situations than yours.

But what I mean, nobody really cares about your rating apart from you. You won't get a medal or 10,000 euros if its 100 or 200 points higher or not. Maybe a few "well done buddy". You should be happy of competing and happy to be able to practice. Sometimes the result will be good sometimes not so good. Your life doesn't depend on it, and you don't need to provide for a family with your TT income. and some day you will maybe still want to play but won't be able to play anymore because of life circumstances.

You cannot master the result of a competition because it depends on many things which don't depend on you, including most of all the level of your opponents. But you can decide to be happy when you play, you can decide to not care so much about the result and just play point by point, exactly as you play in practice without any fear. And you can decide to be happy whatever the result because you just enjoyed being there and you learnt something for next time whether you lost or won.

This is just not about TT, its about attitude in life. For example, If you're always looking for something negative in her, you'll never happy of being there with the GF you've got, you'll always be looking for another one...

Thus the real fear you should have is not to "lose" or "miss shots" or "disappoint yourself or your teammates". The only fear you should have is the one of not playing your game.

Should rename this thread into "Looking for the mental of a champion"

If you can't hire a mental coach, practice with ChatGPT

 

[victormanriquey]

do you have a video of yourself in a match situation? I know I was surprised aswell. The d09c gives me a little umph effect when I hit it right and forwards spinny, so I know I did it right but I am looking for a rubber that achieves the same at a lower threshhold.

Not really because i only played 09c on BH, but i have tried it often in training on FH and I dont need too much throw. The best way to explain this is in static detailing the FH movement step by step so I can show that the throw comes from the body, and that a high throwing FH rubber is counterproductive with the chinese technique of playing FH. I can send you my discord and explain you in a quick call if you want, its easier to do this live than in a video where you cannot ask questions

 

[victormanriquey]

H3N comes factory boosted tho. You might be referring to H3.

No i refer to H3N. I used H3 before and I dont like it as much. It comes veeery slightly boosted from factory so it lasts 1-2 sessions max, then it's a normal H3, so that's why you need to boost.

For me, I learnt with 729 and then H3N from the chinese at my club, they said all kids in china do this and learn good, so I should follow. Nowadays I agree with this and I promote it too. Once you learn how to hit-brush with a hard chinese tacky rubber (and you will need to learn, otherwise you dont progress), you want nothing else.

So yes, its harder to learn but once you learn its really fantastic and so cheap, such value for the price.

All this said, not everybody has the body or wants to learn the chinese way, that's fine, I teach people at the club the other way too, but it needs different gear and different ways, and produces different results. As long as people are happy, progress, and dont get injured, Im good.