Hybrid rubbers with the most balanced properties

[job59]

At this point I am not sure what we should call hybrid rubbers. I've had 2 H3's in the last year and neither of them were even tacky, one of them lifted the ball for a fraction of a second but that was gone after one or two sessions. The newer one never lifted the ball, not even slightly. But it's very grippy and nice to play with. Wth two thin layers of Haifu I think it's faster than a non-boosted D09c. Is H3 a hybrid now?

Hm - my H3 were, are und keep VERY tacking. Even when the surface looks like garbage. After cleaning, they easily lift the ball. Where did you buy? Mine are directly from Hongkong.

Coming back to the topic.
I'm still looking for an alternative to Hybrid MK for my BH. I was in Argentina for 3 months and joined a club. I switched my BK from MK 2.0 to max, because I was missing elasticity (sponge?). Worked well. Now, back in Germany, both are lacking force (tensor). Even when I keep the racket under my cloth. And yes - both rubbers are a bit old. So - what should I buy? I would like to get a more durable rubber with the same characteristis as the MK.

TIA

 

[KM1976]

I am more or less in the same boat where I am looking to try out Euro-Chinese hybrid rubbers. My past experience is with Andro Rasanter C48 which I would say was okay but expensive, as the rubber developed a very bad patch at the hitting spot after 1.5 months. After reading online, I found that this is the concern with most rubbers of that generation, they possess good spin but have very short life span.
I am recently using Rakza Rising Dragon II since Jan 20th of this year as a forehand rubber, it is sticky meaning it can hold the ball for few seconds. As I had been moving between ESN and hybrid, I initially found Yasaka RDII to be slow. However, after using it extensively for a month, I feel that it offers very good control, speed and spin. I clean it with plain water after every session and apply a protection film before storing it in my case. I recently bought a Rakza Z to compare between the two. I think for forehand, I will be happy with either one of them.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

Hm - my H3 were, are und keep VERY tacking. Even when the surface looks like garbage. After cleaning, they easily lift the ball. Where did you buy? Mine are directly from Hongkong.

Coming back to the topic.
I'm still looking for an alternative to Hybrid MK for my BH. I was in Argentina for 3 months and joined a club. I switched my BK from MK 2.0 to max, because I was missing elasticity (sponge?). Worked well. Now, back in Germany, both are lacking force (tensor). Even when I keep the racket under my cloth. And yes - both rubbers are a bit old. So - what should I buy? I would like to get a more durable rubber with the same characteristis as the MK.

TIA

Two different Aliexpress stores. I checked the code and they are genuine. But funnily enough, the one I use now gone from completely non-tacky to somewhat tacky over two months. Back then it couldn't lift the ball at all, now it lifts it, although the ball doesn't stay on it like back in the day.

 

[sebi]

Best hybrid is D09c and its not even close.

 

[jk1980]

you can really only call Nuzn a hybrid if you never played anything chinese.
What does Nuzn really bring from the chinese aspect ?
Stickiness ? no
Dampening on the short game ? no
great spin ? debatable (but surely less than many chinese rubbers)

Nuzn to me is really just a new edition of low catapult rubbers from 2 generations ago. Basically a G-1 or Donic Baracuda Sponge with a more modern topsheet.

To spot the most "in the middle" hybrid we have to actually consider what kind of sponge hardness one prefers.
if you are a 47,5° ESN scale player, then the middle would be somewhere between the Vega Pro H and the Hurricane 9 blue probably (the later being is non-sticky as the vega pro H).

If you are a 50° ESN scale player then two options in the middle would be Rakza Z (if you find/get a tacky one).
If you are a >52° ESN scale player it is debatable that you even need a tensor, because if you can play with that sponge hardness you have to have a good arm acceleration and can basically use many chinese hard rubbers sufficiently and probably dont need much support. My pick would be Battle 3 '39 or if you want it harder Loki Arthur China (sticky version).

 

[navuzor]

I am more or less in the same boat where I am looking to try out Euro-Chinese hybrid rubbers. My past experience is with Andro Rasanter C48 which I would say was okay but expensive, as the rubber developed a very bad patch at the hitting spot after 1.5 months. After reading online, I found that this is the concern with most rubbers of that generation, they possess good spin but have very short life span.
I am recently using Rakza Rising Dragon II since Jan 20th of this year as a forehand rubber, it is sticky meaning it can hold the ball for few seconds. As I had been moving between ESN and hybrid, I initially found Yasaka RDII to be slow. However, after using it extensively for a month, I feel that it offers very good control, speed and spin. I clean it with plain water after every session and apply a protection film before storing it in my case. I recently bought a Rakza Z to compare between the two. I think for forehand, I will be happy with either one of them.

Looking forward to your comparison with Rakza Z. That's one rubber I have shortlisted

 

[navuzor]

you can really only call Nuzn a hybrid if you never played anything chinese.
What does Nuzn really bring from the chinese aspect ?
Stickiness ? no
Dampening on the short game ? no
great spin ? debatable (but surely less than many chinese rubbers)

Nuzn to me is really just a new edition of low catapult rubbers from 2 generations ago. Basically a G-1 or Donic Baracuda Sponge with a more modern topsheet.

To spot the most "in the middle" hybrid we have to actually consider what kind of sponge hardness one prefers.
if you are a 47,5° ESN scale player, then the middle would be somewhere between the Vega Pro H and the Hurricane 9 blue probably (the later being is non-sticky as the vega pro H).

If you are a 50° ESN scale player then two options in the middle would be Rakza Z (if you find/get a tacky one).
If you are a >52° ESN scale player it is debatable that you even need a tensor, because if you can play with that sponge hardness you have to have a good arm acceleration and can basically use many chinese hard rubbers sufficiently and probably dont need much support. My pick would be Battle 3 '39 or if you want it harder Loki Arthur China (sticky version).

And even then, I find the nuzn to have way more catapult than a G1. Probably less catapulty than other standard modern tensor.

 

[KM1976]

Looking forward to your comparison with Rakza Z. That's one rubber I have shortlisted

I did try Rakza Z but on a Yinhe V14 Pro blade (it is an outer ALC). Compared to Yasaka Rising Dragon II, I see that the arc is definitely more, and overall the Rakza Z feels bit more lively and easier to use. But I am splitting hairs here. I think both are good rubbers where Rakza Z marginally offers greater speed and more arc on the topspin. If you pair Rakza RD II with a faster blade, I can confidently say that you will not notice much of a difference until you have technique issues.
Durability wise, I honestly cannot say as I am using RDII on my FH on a Viscaria since Jan 20th of this year, playing around 6-8 hours every week and it still looks good. So, I can update this post sometime later to let you know.

 

[SorryForTheEdge]

So far I tested D09c, G09c and C53 hybrids.
D09c is leaning more towards tackiness and C53 is leaning more towards catapult. G09c is somewhere in between so I would recommend it as a 50/50 rubber. The only downside is that G09c can do both speed and spin okay so there is less pressure for the opponent if you play more passively. You have to add the aggression yourself as the rubbers don't do it for you. Put it on a fast blade you will get less spin and more smash capabilities. Put it on a slower blade you will get slower, but very rotational balls.