How to qualify for bundesliga divisions 1 or 2

[KTableTennis]

so another thing is that once I graduate from online highschool or even sooner I want to move to germany to get better training, but while still being on the us national team and representing US in wtt events, but I would like to know what clubs I could train at full time before I start playing for a bundesliga team?

 

[Yurifi]

first of all, you have to know that Bundesliga is like the NBA of table tennis. it's extremely high level of table tennis. not saying you can't do it, but it might be a long way.

getting into national team is the first step. start playing international tournaments. WTT Youth Contender and Feeder series. 20 hours a week seems ok, are you doing anything on physical preparation? winning some higher national competitions is also good. and then you can try with going for training camps in Germany. but crucial is trying to get in to the National Selection, so you can play international tournaments, like WTT Youth Contender and Feeder series, and then climb up the ladder from there.

 

[KTableTennis]

first of all, you have to know that Bundesliga is like the NBA of table tennis. it's extremely high level of table tennis. not saying you can't do it, but it might be a long way.

getting into national team is the first step. start playing international tournaments. WTT Youth Contender and Feeder series. 20 hours a week seems ok, are you doing anything on physical preparation? winning some higher national competitions is also good. and then you can try with going for training camps in Germany. but crucial is trying to get in to the National Selection, so you can play international tournaments, like WTT Youth Contender and Feeder series, and then climb up the ladder from there.

yes I am doing physical training a few times per week.

 

[KTableTennis]

so another thing is that once I graduate from online highschool or even sooner I want to move to germany to get better training, but while still being on the us national team and representing US in wtt events, but I would like to know what clubs I could train at full time before I start playing for a bundesliga team?

any ideas of centers in germany that I could train at?

 

[KTableTennis]

for example I was looking at DTTZ but I dont know how I would train there full time

 

[Archosaurus]

so another thing is that once I graduate from online highschool or even sooner I want to move to germany to get better training, but while still being on the us national team and representing US in wtt events, but I would like to know what clubs I could train at full time before I start playing for a bundesliga team?

I think you need to understand that plenty of people start at 5 years old with more training and better resources and still might not be that level by that age. The average seems to be 10-15 years of practice from childhood to be able to reach a pro level ASAP, and that's just a pro level, not national team level. 2100 which you estimate yourself to be is still an amateur level that people are able to reach without aiming to be professionals. It's very good, but there's levels to this stuff.

You've been playing for a bit over a year, starting at a late age, and you expect to already be playing for the national team in about 5 more years, which would require you to have won tournaments for many years in a row. So you need to start winning pro tournaments basically next year, with players who are playing at a 2500~ level.

I'm not saying you can't do it, but you probably need a plan and funding ASAP.

 

[KTableTennis]

I think you need to understand that plenty of people start at 5 years old with more training and better resources and still might not be that level by that age. The average seems to be 10-15 years of practice from childhood to be able to reach a pro level ASAP, and that's just a pro level, not national team level. 2100 which you estimate yourself to be is still an amateur level that people are able to reach without aiming to be professionals. It's very good, but there's levels to this stuff.

You've been playing for a bit over a year, starting at a late age, and you expect to already be playing for the national team in about 5 more years, which would require you to have won tournaments for many years in a row. So you need to start winning pro tournaments basically next year, with players who are playing at a 2500~ level.

I'm not saying you can't do it, but you probably need a plan and funding ASAP.

yes I get that, but right now I am just asking about clubs that I could train at after highschool years

 

[Archosaurus]

yes I get that, but right now I am just asking about clubs that I could train at after highschool years

Shouldn't you be focusing on what happens next month, not in 5 years? Nothing is certain in sports.

Don't you have a trainer who has been part of a national team guiding you?

 

[Singshasha]

so its not trials?

thats cool, my coach also played in 3rd division and moved up to 2nd division for a little bit but then went back down to 3rd

If your coach has played in those divisions, why don’t you ask him?

And is it the same coach you mentioned in the other tread, Martin Jezo?

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/german-bundesliga.38354/post-551138

Where Tony found your coaches result and at best he was only a 4th to 5th division player?

 

[obsidian d]

Go to the Borussia Düsseldorf web site, you can find group and individual trainings, there are also a lot high level amateurs that you csn train with them.

 

[Tyce]

Silly question, but why not try to aim for MLTT? Sounds like a much more realistic plan in terms of logistics, the competition levels below it are (relatively) easier to work through, and you can do all that from the comfort of your own home, speaking your own language, using the resources you already know.

My point is, if you want to get to the top competition levels, you need to make a name for yourself. You're not just going to roll into it using wishful thinking, and applying to a German academy to get there is great, but absolutely riddled with competition (even besides having to leave your country and all that comes with it).
You get yourself into MLTT, or on the candidate list, and voila, you have yourself a profile.

The American continent is up and coming in TT, with a lot of spotlight created by the likes of Kanak Jha and Hugo Calderano on the mens side, and Adriana Diaz, Bruna Takahashi on the women's side. Your chances in an emerging field are much higher than the highly saturated German system.

 

[KTableTennis]

If your coach has played in those divisions, why don’t you ask him?

And is it the same coach you mentioned in the other tread, Martin Jezo?

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/german-bundesliga.38354/post-551138

Where Tony found your coaches result and at best he was only a 4th to 5th division player?

no its not the same coach.

 

[KTableTennis]

Silly question, but why not try to aim for MLTT? Sounds like a much more realistic plan in terms of logistics, the competition levels below it are (relatively) easier to work through, and you can do all that from the comfort of your own home, speaking your own language, using the resources you already know.

My point is, if you want to get to the top competition levels, you need to make a name for yourself. You're not just going to roll into it using wishful thinking, and applying to a German academy to get there is great, but absolutely riddled with competition (even besides having to leave your country and all that comes with it).
You get yourself into MLTT, or on the candidate list, and voila, you have yourself a profile.

The American continent is up and coming in TT, with a lot of spotlight created by the likes of Kanak Jha and Hugo Calderano on the mens side, and Adriana Diaz, Bruna Takahashi on the women's side. Your chances in an emerging field are much higher than the highly saturated German system.

because my dream is to play in bundesliga, and sure, if it doesn't work out then I could join mltt, because I know that If I keep training I could definently play in mltt for sure. but my goal is to play for bundesliga and I am going to work for that goal, I didnt open this thread to ask people if I could make bundesliga I opened it to ask people HOW TO MAKE THE TEAM AND WHICH CLUBS I COULD TRAIN AT FULL TIME IN GERMANY IF I GET TO A GOOD ENOUGH LEVEL LIKE 2500-2700+ BY THE TIME I AM 18 AND WANT TO GO TO GERMANY. so please stop giving your opinions on if I will make it or not because I am not listening to them. please answer my questions.

 

[piligrim]

Silly question, but why not try to aim for MLTT? Sounds like a much more realistic plan in terms of logistics, the competition levels below it are (relatively) easier to work through, and you can do all that from the comfort of your own home, speaking your own language, using the resources you already know.

My point is, if you want to get to the top competition levels, you need to make a name for yourself. You're not just going to roll into it using wishful thinking, and applying to a German academy to get there is great, but absolutely riddled with competition (even besides having to leave your country and all that comes with it).
You get yourself into MLTT, or on the candidate list, and voila, you have yourself a profile.

The American continent is up and coming in TT, with a lot of spotlight created by the likes of Kanak Jha and Hugo Calderano on the mens side, and Adriana Diaz, Bruna Takahashi on the women's side. Your chances in an emerging field are much higher than the highly saturated German system.

MLTT is for retired National team players, not for young guns who want to play in Bundesliga ))

 

[Archosaurus]

because my dream is to play in bundesliga, and sure, if it doesn't work out then I could join mltt, because I know that If I keep training I could definently play in mltt for sure. but my goal is to play for bundesliga and I am going to work for that goal, I didnt open this thread to ask people if I could make bundesliga I opened it to ask people HOW TO MAKE THE TEAM AND WHICH CLUBS I COULD TRAIN AT FULL TIME IN GERMANY IF I GET TO A GOOD ENOUGH LEVEL LIKE 2500-2700+ BY THE TIME I AM 18 AND WANT TO GO TO GERMANY. so please stop giving your opinions on if I will make it or not because I am not listening to them. please answer my questions.

You "could"? The kind of players playing in MLTT are sometimes the best in their country. Some of them have been top 10 in the world ranks. Why do you think it's some kind of thing to settle for if you don't manage to do the impossible? What is your world rank? Are you in the top 1000 even? Are you the best player in your state?

You should probably appreciate that the chances of you ever playing in a sanctioned professional tournament are slim to none just like it is for all the other 1900 rated players, let alone making it as a player in one of the most elite leagues in the world in a country with a much more competitive tabletennis scene.

 

[50hz]

If you want to have professional training in Germany, it is not the club you are joining, it is more the training group. A lot of pros are not training within their clubs. If you want to have good starting point, I can recommend something like this - https://asc-tt.de/kitt-1-hochleistungsgruppe-am-karlsruher-institut-fuer-tischtennis/ for the start. This group includes 2nd and 3rd divison players, also some from lower divisions.

 

[KTableTennis]

If you want to have professional training in Germany, it is not the club you are joining, it is more the training group. A lot of pros are not training within their clubs. If you want to have good starting point, I can recommend something like this - https://asc-tt.de/kitt-1-hochleistungsgruppe-am-karlsruher-institut-fuer-tischtennis/ for the start. This group includes 2nd and 3rd divison players, also some from lower divisions.

thank you, this was helpful

 

[KTableTennis]

You "could"? The kind of players playing in MLTT are sometimes the best in their country. Some of them have been top 10 in the world ranks. Why do you think it's some kind of thing to settle for if you don't manage to do the impossible? What is your world rank? Are you in the top 1000 even? Are you the best player in your state?

You should probably appreciate that the chances of you ever playing in a sanctioned professional tournament are slim to none just like it is for all the other 1900 rated players, let alone making it as a player in one of the most elite leagues in the world in a country with a much more competitive tabletennis scene.

Again, this is not what I am asking. Please read the title of the thread more carfully

 

[Archosaurus]

Again, this is not what I am asking. Please read the title of the thread more carfully

The answer is none. There don't exist any clubs that would scout you and allow you to play in them. If you do make it from 1900 to 2700 in 5 years, you should really start thinking about the grandslam and making history at the world stage, easily beating the Chinese top men's players instead.

 

[P1ngP0ng3r]

You already received the correct answer to your question. But here it is again:

Check out TTBL.de (Tischtennis Bundesliga) official website. You'll see all the clubs participating in the different leagues. Apply for membership at one of the bigger clubs, like Borrusia Dusseldorf, Werder Bremen, FC Saarbrucken Borrusia Dortmund, etc. Participate in training sessions and (regional) tournaments. If you perform well, you'll be noticed by the club trainers/leadership.

Go and chase your dreams!