Butterfly Primorac + Fastarc G1 + Rozena

[Extinction]

Would Butterfly Primorac + Fastarc G1 + Rozena be a good combination. I think for G-1 a more flexible blade is better. Would Rozena be a good fit for this blade because Rozena is a bit softer so I don’t know how that would pair with primorac.
Looking to get a faster setup, upgrading from hurricane 3 neo (orange sponge). I want to keep Rozena, change my blade (3+2 hinoki), and I don’t know if fastarc G-1 would be a good upgrade knowing that it’s less tacky. Maybe a better version of hurricane 3?

 

[Tyce]

What 3+2 hinoki are we talking about? I have limited knowledge, only Waldner Legend Carbon, but that's worlds and worlds different from a Primorac unless you mean Primorac Carbon.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

What 3+2 hinoki are we talking about? I have limited knowledge, only Waldner Legend Carbon, but that's worlds and worlds different from a Primorac unless you mean Primorac Carbon.

My guess is, you are right, he must mean Primorac Carbon.

One thing I would say, OP is thinking of equipment incorrectly. Any rubber can go with any blade. Even though people on the internet say all these things about how certain rubbers work with certain blades and certain rubbers don't. That is entirely based on people feeling a rubber on one blade and then feeling it on another and just not being used to how different the second blade feels. If the person played with that combination they say "is no good" for a few months, then they tried to switch back to the other blade with the same rubber, they would likely have the same reaction in reverse. Rubbers do what they do. Blades do what they do. Someone who has never played with anything else and is playing with some wildly slow or fast blade and some fairly lame rubbers, but the rubbers still grab the ball, they will get used to that combination and adjust their technique to the equipment they are using.

However, the real question with equipment is: WHAT BLADE AND RUBBERS WILL BE GOOD FOR ME? And depending on your skill sets, some equipment will be more useful for YOU to use than others. And everyone is different. So, something that is good for one player will be hard to control or too slow, or something....for another....too spin sensitive, not spinny enough.....the list could be very long.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Would Butterfly Primorac + Fastarc G1 + Rozena be a good combination. I think for G-1 a more flexible blade is better. Would Rozena be a good fit for this blade because Rozena is a bit softer so I don’t know how that would pair with primorac.
Looking to get a faster setup, upgrading from hurricane 3 neo (orange sponge). I want to keep Rozena, change my blade (3+2 hinoki), and I don’t know if fastarc G-1 would be a good upgrade knowing that it’s less tacky. Maybe a better version of hurricane 3?

Primorac + G1 + Rozena = Good set-up. No need to tinker with it.

 

[Extinction]

My guess is, you are right, he must mean Primorac Carbon.

No I was talking about just primorac. Because apparently all wood and more flexible blades are better for Chinese rubbers. I get what you saying about the blades and rubbers, but I don’t want something that’ll be too bouncy and have that extremely hard feeling.

Is there any other blades that would pair well with Chinese rubbers (and also some other recommendations for rubbers).

I have used carbon in my blades for the whole time I’ve been playing table tennis so not sure if I should make the switch or not. I want a faster setup whilst keeping spin high.

 

[Extinction]

Primorac + G1 + Rozena = Good set-up. No need to tinker with it.

Is this primorac carbon or just primorac?

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Is this primorac carbon or just primorac?

all wood.

 

[Tyce]

If you want a faster setup, moving from a hinoki carbon to a thinner 5ply doesn't make sense.

H3 works well on pretty much anything. That's why you see pro players with Viscaria (hard outer) as well as W968 (soft inner) alike all use H3. It's characteristics are pretty dominant over the blade. A more flexible blade (read, one that flexes right when you apply your power, so this is different for everyone) will assist with generating spin and power, but that won't be a world of difference.

So let's assume you keep your current blade or move to something similar, and talk FH rubber:

How does Rozena feel on the FH?

If it's waaay too soft for you, but you like the way a grippy rubber plays, G1 or Vega Pro might be a good fit. It's not tacky rubber at all, not a "slightly less tacky " one. It will be more bouncy and reactive to incoming spin compared to H3, but almost every rubber will be. I think G1 is pretty tolerant in that regard.

If Rozena's just a little too soft, Vega Europe, Rakza 7, even Glayzer may work.

If Rozena just feels completely off, stick with H3. Get 38d if you have 39, and/or treat it to a lick of booster. Note that the 37d feels quite different and I don't recommend it for FH use.

I'd love to see a picture of that blade though, maybe we can help identify it

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

What 3+2 hinoki are we talking about? I have limited knowledge, only Waldner Legend Carbon, but that's worlds and worlds different from a Primorac unless you mean Primorac Carbon.

My guess is, you are right, he must mean Primorac Carbon.

No I was talking about just primorac.

So, was this:

"change my blade (3+2 hinoki),"

A reference to the blade you are switching from?

And, if you read in context, I said he was right that "3+2 Hinoki" was likely a reference to the Primorac Carbon because that is the construction of that blade.

So, what blade where you referring to, and is it the blade you are switching from.

Because the Primorac Off- is: Limba-Limba-Ayous-Limba-Limba

No Hinoki there so 3+2 Hinoki cannot be a reference to the Primorac Off-.

 

[chandyrandy]

My guess is, you are right, he must mean Primorac Carbon.

One thing I would say, OP is thinking of equipment incorrectly. Any rubber can go with any blade. Even though people on the internet say all these things about how certain rubbers work with certain blades and certain rubbers don't. That is entirely based on people feeling a rubber on one blade and then feeling it on another and just not being used to how different the second blade feels. If the person played with that combination they say "is no good" for a few months, then they tried to switch back to the other blade with the same rubber, they would likely have the same reaction in reverse. Rubbers do what they do. Blades do what they do. Someone who has never played with anything else and is playing with some wildly slow or fast blade and some fairly lame rubbers, but the rubbers still grab the ball, they will get used to that combination and adjust their technique to the equipment they are using.

However, the real question with equipment is: WHAT BLADE AND RUBBERS WILL BE GOOD FOR ME? And depending on your skill sets, some equipment will be more useful for YOU to use than others. And everyone is different. So, something that is good for one player will be hard to control or too slow, or something....for another....too spin sensitive, not spinny enough.....the list could be very long.

This is a scintillatingly good response

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

No I was talking about just primorac. Because apparently all wood and more flexible blades are better for Chinese rubbers. I get what you saying about the blades and rubbers, but I don’t want something that’ll be too bouncy and have that extremely hard feeling.

Is there any other blades that would pair well with Chinese rubbers (and also some other recommendations for rubbers).

I have used carbon in my blades for the whole time I’ve been playing table tennis so not sure if I should make the switch or not. I want a faster setup whilst keeping spin high.

Faster setup but going from carbon to Primorac Off-.....something there does not compute.

Still, it is worth trying. If you got the Primorac Off- and tried it with the rubbers you are thinking about trying, you would at least know for yourself if was useful for your game.

It would make you work harder; it would cause you to take a fuller stroke. Test it out. It is not that expensive. Tell us how it works for you.

You should also know, if you are switching FROM Hinoki (which is soft) to a blade with Limba-Limba ply construction (Primorac Off-), which is also soft, the feeling will be very different. You may like that. You may not.

As far as what blades Chinese rubbers work well with, above I did say it doesn't work that way. But look at how many top Chinese players have used H3 with something like a Viscaria (hard, fast blade with a lot of rebound with Chinese rubbers). Why is it that they like that?

 

[Extinction]

So, was this:

"change my blade (3+2 hinoki),"

A reference to the blade you are switching from?

And, if you read in context, I said he was right that "3+2 Hinoki" was likely a reference to the Primorac Carbon because that is the construction of that blade.

So, what blade where you referring to, and is it the blade you are switching from.

Because the Primorac Off- is: Limba-Limba-Ayous-Limba-Limba

No Hinoki there so 3+2 Hinoki cannot be a reference to the Primorac Off-.

Yes sorry let me just clear this out. The 3+2 hinoki is from a website called ‘custom table tennis’ and this is their very own blade.

I want to change from this because I don’t feel ike the quality is there and would rather get a more ‘known’ blade for future reference

 

[Extinction]

You should also know, if you are switching FROM Hinoki (which is soft) to a blade with Limba-Limba ply construction (Primorac Off-), which is also soft, the feeling will be very different. You may like that. You may not.

As far as what blades Chinese rubbers work well with, above I did say it doesn't work that way. But look at how many top Chinese players have used H3 with something like a Viscaria (hard, fast blade with a lot of rebound with Chinese rubbers). Why is it that they like that?

Well with a harder blade with a hard rubber I’m more likely to get more rebound. My technique isn’t perfect so I do not want my strokes to HAVE to be perfect to get the ball onto the table.

However hinoki is a very soft wood and I would like something harder but not too hard.

Is the limba of primorac carbon soft? Also does primorac OFF- have the same wood because I noticed that the carbon version is double the price.

Any thoughts on Rakza instead of G-1 with the butterfly balsa carbo x7.

Please correct me if I’m wrong on my previous thoughts on harder blades.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Well with a harder blade with a hard rubber I’m more likely to get more rebound. My technique isn’t perfect so I do not want my strokes to HAVE to be perfect to get the ball onto the table.

However hinoki is a very soft wood and I would like something harder but not too hard.

Is the limba of primorac carbon soft? Also does primorac OFF- have the same wood because I noticed that the carbon version is double the price.

Any thoughts on Rakza instead of G-1 with the butterfly balsa carbo x7.

Please correct me if I’m wrong on my previous thoughts on harder blades.

I am not sure you read above. I gave the ply construction of the Primorac Off- : and the OUTER PLIES OF THE PRIMORAC CARBON. THERE IS NO LIMBA IN A PRIMORAC CARBON. THE PRIMORAC CARBON IS ONE OF THE FASTEST BLADES EVER MADE. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBLANCE WHAT SO EVER, IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY, TO THE Primorac Off-.

Primorac Off- = Limba-Limba-Ayous-Limba-Limba

Primorac Carbon = Cypress-Tamca 5000 Carbon-Kiri-T5000 Carbon-Cypress

Cypress is the same genus as Hinoki. Just a slightly different tree but the playing characteristics are almost exactly the same. Not one thing in the construction of the Primorac Carbon overlaps with the ply construction of the Primorac Off-.

Part of the reason Chinese rubbers like H3 go well with hard blades with a lot of rebound like a Viscaria is that H3 is not at all a bouncy rubber. It feels kind of dead unless you really know how to use the topsheet to grab the hell out of the ball. And if you do that, it is fast, but it does not have almost any catapult and is not a rubber anyone I know would describe as bouncy.

 

[soromak]

Primorac Off- user here. Came back to the game after MANY years break and after a while when Sriver FX was worn out decided for an upgrade. Went for Rakza 7 Max for BH and Rakza Z for FH, as I wanted to try hybrid. Rakza 7 is good on my BH, but I need a replacement to Rakza Z. Way too slow and just does not work for me. Would Fastarc G-1 be a viable option? Or is worth investing in Tenergy 05 with Primorac?

 

[lodro]

I want to keep Rozena, change my blade (3+2 hinoki),

this should add to the confusion 3+2 Hinoki is NOT a clear definition. These 4 blades by SANWEI are all 3+2 Hinoki, some are "outers "and some are "inners" there is soft carbon and hard carbon and also ALC but notice that all are rated attacking blades. PLEASE, I beg you to join the EJ-club and buy all 4 blades and start experimenting . If you keep showing us a short video of your playing style it would help also to make better suggestions for you.

 

[Tyce]

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this should add to the confusion 3+2 Hinoki is NOT a clear definition. These 4 blades by SANWEI are all 3+2 Hinoki, some are "outers "and some are "inners" there is soft carbon and hard carbon and also ALC but notice that all are rated attacking blades. PLEASE, I beg you to join the EJ-club and buy all 4 blades and start experimenting . If you keep showing us a short video of your playing style it would help also to make better suggestions for you.

Naw I can see at least two distinctly being 5+2 even from this picture quality

 

[lodro]

Naw I can see at least two distinctly being 5+2 even from this picture quality

fair enough but they are just double layers of hinoki

 

[merlin el mago]

Primorac Off- user here. Came back to the game after MANY years break and after a while when Sriver FX was worn out decided for an upgrade. Went for Rakza 7 Max for BH and Rakza Z for FH, as I wanted to try hybrid. Rakza 7 is good on my BH, but I need a replacement to Rakza Z. Way too slow and just does not work for me. Would Fastarc G-1 be a viable option? Or is worth investing in Tenergy 05 with Primorac?

I never played with Razka series, but played a lot with Fastarc G-1, T05 and also old Primorac off- and new Japanese & European blades (yes I have all 3 models).

Starting with the rubbers:
Fastarc G1- isn't bouncy like T05
T05 it's easy to made topspin
With proper skills Fastarc G-1 can made more spin & power than T05
Fastarc G-1 is better to receive serves because is less sensitive to incoming spin
Fastarc G-1 it's excellent to block, smash & short game
T05 requires less physical strength

About the blade Primorac off-:
The best model is the old, no hollow feeling, solid touch, excellent craftsmanship, it's very near to an all round blade but when you need power the blade can give a lot enough to don't need composite blades if you are young or with very good shape.
The second best is the made in Japan, a little bit hollow feeling, less solid touch, still very good craftsmanship, it's more an all round blade but not have the same power than old model so here you like more a fiber blade.
The made in Europe blade better to avoid so not buy there are a lot of more better blades for the same blade.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Primo + G1 + Rozzie; you can’t go wrong with em.