Non-tacky maximum spin but minimum speed rubber

[General_Specific]

I'm thinking about testing a certain type of rubber.

Think of it like this:
-Topsheet with easy, relatively automatic, top level spin and grip with a high throw and catapult. Think of the topsheet from Dignics 05 and Nuzn 50/55

-Neutral, high control sponge, without tension or doming. Think of the sponge from Mark V and Sriver

Requirements:
-No tackiness, also applies to hybrid semi-tacky
-Release date of 2015 or later for the current plastic ball

Preferred but not required:
-Durable topsheet
-Sponge hardness below 50 degrees ESN scale

Whether it's Chinese, Japanese, or ESN made is not important.

Thank you for any help.

 

[belllfador]

Doric Slice CS, around 47 degrees, non sticky, very spiny, but with a fragile sponge, glue removing leaves craters.

Spinlord Marder 2, half sticky, thin fragile topsheet with long pips, the sponge is similar to Mark V, with better spin and control.

Dr Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard, sticky like H3, can hold the ball for 1–2 seconds, with age can have a negative dome that requires a booster for fixing. Around 47 degrees.

Andro Backside 2 and 3, never use them, but they are something that you can consider.

Prov. H3N OS 37 degrees will be below 50 ESN scale and will surpass all of the above rubbers in spin and durability.

 

[General_Specific]

Doric Slice CS, around 47 degrees, non sticky, very spiny, but with a fragile sponge, glue removing leaves craters.

Spinlord Marder 2, half sticky, thin fragile topsheet with long pips, the sponge is similar to Mark V, with better spin and control.

Dr Neubauer Dominance Spin Hard, sticky like H3, can hold the ball for 1–2 seconds, with age can have a negative dome that requires a booster for fixing. Around 47 degrees.

Andro Backside 2 and 3, never use them, but they are something that you can consider.

Prov. H3N OS 37 degrees will be below 50 ESN scale and will surpass all of the above rubbers in spin and durability.

Thanks for the suggestions but they're not quite right. Donic Slice CS seems a little interesting but it only goes up to 1.5mm and I have also had problems regarding durability from Donic.

The rest are all tacky to some extent and the main requirement was that it's not. Not sure why you think any Hurricane would be what I'm looking for.

 

[belllfador]

Thanks for the suggestions but they're not quite right. Donic Slice CS seems a little interesting but it only goes up to 1.5mm and I have also had problems regarding durability from Donic.

The rest are all tacky to some extent and the main requirement was that it's not. Not sure why you think any Hurricane would be what I'm looking for.

Sory, I was reading topsheet like NUZN, but did not read that you are not looking for hybrids.

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

These are likely more bouncy than what you're aiming for, but when I think of nontacky, highly grippy but not that bouncy rubbers both VS>401 and Helix M come to mind. Far from slow but also not modern-style bouncy like your MXPs and Rasanters

 

[Dr Evil]

Hexer Powergrip?

 

[General_Specific]

These are likely more bouncy than what you're aiming for, but when I think of nontacky, highly grippy but not that bouncy rubbers both VS>401 and Helix M come to mind. Far from slow but also not modern-style bouncy like your MXPs and Rasanters

So the VS 401 came out before 2015 and it's also really hard at 57.5 degrees.

Would the Helix M be more or less bouncy than Nuzn 50? I'm using the Nuzn 50 right now and would just love a slower version of it. The Nuzn 45/48 are of lower quality than the 50/55 so unfortunately those won't work.

 

[General_Specific]

Hexer Powergrip?

Wouldn't Hexer grip be slower with the same spin?

I did actually try powergrip once and I didn't like it but the topsheet was very worn out and it was on a blade I didn't like.

 

[Dr Evil]

Wouldn't Hexer grip be slower with the same spin?

I did actually try powergrip once and I didn't like it but the topsheet was very worn out and it was on a blade I didn't like.

Slower with less spin most likely. Just a guess, never tried Grip. Did try Powergrip and remember it as very spinny but slow. Soft topsheet, very easy to grab the ball and spin it.

 

[J-fed]

I'm thinking about testing a certain type of rubber.

Think of it like this:
-Topsheet with easy, relatively automatic, top level spin and grip with a high throw and catapult. Think of the topsheet from Dignics 05 and Nuzn 50/55

-Neutral, high control sponge, without tension or doming. Think of the sponge from Mark V and Sriver

Requirements:
-No tackiness, also applies to hybrid semi-tacky
-Release date of 2015 or later for the current plastic ball

Preferred but not required:
-Durable topsheet
-Sponge hardness below 50 degrees ESN scale

Whether it's Chinese, Japanese, or ESN made is not important.

Thank you for any help.

I'd also be quite intersted in using the rubber you describe

 

[zeio]

Andro Good! (older, German) and Vertic (newer, Chinese).

 

[General_Specific]

Andro Good! (older, German) and Vertic (newer, Chinese).

Andro vertic seems very interesting. It's very new. I'm hoping it ends up on tt11 soon.

 

[Egon]

Sounds like Donic Baracuda

 

[J-fed]

temu boll gotta be the GOAT screen name

 

[muhammad]

Another vote for helix platinum here. It is not slow, far from Mark V and other similar rubbers, but in the same time it is far from other modern rubbers in terms of bounciness and speed.

In my opinion this is one of the most underrated rubbers, gives me very hich consistency on a Harimoto super ALC in H hardness. Maybe you can try the M if you use slower blade.

 

[passifid]

Joola Rhyzen CMD

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

So the VS 401 came out before 2015 and it's also really hard at 57.5 degrees.

Would the Helix M be more or less bouncy than Nuzn 50? I'm using the Nuzn 50 right now and would just love a slower version of it. The Nuzn 45/48 are of lower quality than the 50/55 so unfortunately those won't work.

Nuzn50 is a mild hybrid (I struggle to call it a hybrid because its really not all that tacky) but imo its more difficult to compare the two because Helix M is softer and activates a bit easier. I think Nuzn50 has higher speed potential but it is geared a bit slower in the beginning from the slightly tackier topsheet and firmer sponge, however I would say the two are somewhat similarly not that bouncy though they go about it in different ways

 

[merlin el mago]

What about Nittaku Fastarc G-1?

 

[barusu]

I'm voting for Tibhar FX-S

 

[General_Specific]

Nuzn50 is a mild hybrid (I struggle to call it a hybrid because its really not all that tacky) but imo its more difficult to compare the two because Helix M is softer and activates a bit easier. I think Nuzn50 has higher speed potential but it is geared a bit slower in the beginning from the slightly tackier topsheet and firmer sponge, however I would say the two are somewhat similarly not that bouncy though they go about it in different ways

I've tried both 50 and 55. I've also tried several hybrids. Nuzn isn't tacky at all and I don't think they play like hybrids either. I agree that they are geared in a certain way but the word hybrid doesn't come to mind while using them.