Andro NUZN50 as faster alternative of Fastarc G-1?

[merlin el mago]

I'm using boosted Fastarc G-1 looking for a faster rubber. Could Nuzn50 boosted be the best alternative?

 

[Airoc]

I don´t know if it would be the best alternative, but it would retain the characteristic of limited catapult while adding more power and spin.
The downside: While NUZN lasts exceptionally long for a hybrid rubber with sticky surface, it might not last as long as your G1, at roughly twice the price.
Maybe you could also take a look at other Tensor rubbers with the same sponge hardness as G1, for example Rasanter R47. You might need less booster for an adequate performance that way.
But that said, NUZN is just an unbelievable good rubber

 

[merlin el mago]

Thanks for answer, I used MXP-50 and liked but don't liked the durability (3 weeks because I play tournaments one time at week & train 4 days at week minimum 2 hours or more), I guessed that Nuzn50 don't have the same durability as Fastarc G-1 or BTY rubbers.

More or less how many time (of course depending the hours of use) is the duration of Nuzn50?

About power & spin of Rasanter R47 is more, equal or less than Fastarc G-1, BTW I don't like bouncy rubbers.

My mine problem is that I can't use a power blade because I use LP for BH side.

 

[belllfador]

Stiga Mantra Pro XH is faster G1.

 

[merlin el mago]

Thanks for advice, what about spin, durability & price?

Made in Japan = Daiki brand?

 

[Airoc]

More or less how many time (of course depending the hours of use) is the duration of Nuzn50?

This is difficult to say, because everyone puts different stress on rubbers depending on their strokes and dominant side, I can use mine for three months at least. But then, I only play twice a week for 2 hours normally.
Generally, for a hybrid it lasts as long as a normal Tensor like Rasanter.
And I guess you´d find Rasanter and the likes bouncy...

Is your G1 already max sponge? Could you achieve what you want with a little more booster instead of an altogether new rubber?

I like the Stiga rubbers so the recommendation for the Mantra might als be interesting, its sponge is just so much harder...

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

Thanks for advice, what about spin, durability & price?

If you want to try Mantra Pro I suggest the H version, I felt XH was noticeably more difficult to play with, especially because I felt G1 topsheet gave me more grip and arc safety even over the M version. XH is also heavier than M and H which are relatively lighter in weight

I don't think longevity is quite as long with Mantra Pro though you can find it for a nice price off of Aliexpress (As well as the M and H versions in new color variations)

 

[merlin el mago]

I tried all BTY inverted rubbers from Rozena to TGY & Dignics, Rozena & TGY are both very bouncy and Dignics to hard to engage the sponge with my defensive blades.

I disliked the Fastarc G-1 max because I felt mushy & slow, super thick 2.0 feel was ok but lacked power, added two layers of booster FTL but was ok only 2 weeks.

 

[merlin el mago]

Just ordered one Andro NUZN 50 max. black for my FH.

 

[golden_son]

That's a lot of tradeoffs to consider. Everybody has their preferences, but defenders like Hashimoto, Filus, and Sato all use hard rubbers on defensive blades, so the blade isn't really the problem. They are professionals, though, to be fair.

If G-1 Max was too mushy and slow, and a harder sponge is too hard for you to engage, it sounds like you need something with a bit more built-in catapult...but you don't like the bouncy rubbers. I'm not sure where that leaves you. I agree with the others that Mantra Pro is a possible alternative—M is the same sponge hardness as G-1, H would be harder—but I personally didn't like the flat arc, even though I liked the rebound. Still, it's relatively inexpensive on AliExpress so probably worth a try.

I would also throw Xiom Omega V Tour into the mix. It's a Tensor, but an older one, and one that I think is underrated in the amateur space. Despite being formerly considered a top-of-the-line pro rubber I've never had issues controlling it, even on fast blades. It's plenty fast, but predictable. It's honestly my favorite FH rubber, and the only reason I try other things is that I'm afraid Xiom will discontinue it...

 

[OvrChkn]

I think you'll like it. Definitely my favorite rubber at the moment. On FH, if you can engage the sponge and take the ball more in front of you, it's a rewarding rubber.

 

[SorryForTheEdge]

Thanks for answer, I used MXP-50 and liked but don't liked the durability (3 weeks because I play tournaments one time at week & train 4 days at week minimum 2 hours or more), I guessed that Nuzn50 don't have the same durability as Fastarc G-1 or BTY rubbers.

More or less how many time (of course depending the hours of use) is the duration of Nuzn50?

About power & spin of Rasanter R47 is more, equal or less than Fastarc G-1, BTW I don't like bouncy rubbers.

My mine problem is that I can't use a power blade because I use LP for BH side.

Tibhar released MX-P infinity who supposedly has better durability than the retro version. It's also ~51 degree hardness

 

[belllfador]

I tried all BTY inverted rubbers from Rozena to TGY & Dignics, Rozena & TGY are both very bouncy and Dignics to hard to engage the sponge with my defensive blades.

I disliked the Fastarc G-1 max because I felt mushy & slow, super thick 2.0 feel was ok but lacked power, added two layers of booster FTL but was ok only 2 weeks.

Mantra Pro is described as boosted G1. XH is noticeably faster, but more difficult to engage. The spin is similar, low from the modern point of view. Less spiny than Rozena, D05 or NUZN. But it is also less influenced by the opponent's spin. Personally, I like Mantra Pro XH for offense purposes. G1 is more versatile, allround-ish, with chopping capability at 1.7mm.

 

[merlin el mago]

That's a lot of tradeoffs to consider. Everybody has their preferences, but defenders like Hashimoto, Filus, and Sato all use hard rubbers on defensive blades, so the blade isn't really the problem. They are professionals, though, to be fair.

If G-1 Max was too mushy and slow, and a harder sponge is too hard for you to engage, it sounds like you need something with a bit more built-in catapult...but you don't like the bouncy rubbers. I'm not sure where that leaves you. I agree with the others that Mantra Pro is a possible alternative—M is the same sponge hardness as G-1, H would be harder—but I personally didn't like the flat arc, even though I liked the rebound. Still, it's relatively inexpensive on AliExpress so probably worth a try.

I would also throw Xiom Omega V Tour into the mix. It's a Tensor, but an older one, and one that I think is underrated in the amateur space. Despite being formerly considered a top-of-the-line pro rubber I've never had issues controlling it, even on fast blades. It's plenty fast, but predictable. It's honestly my favorite FH rubber, and the only reason I try other things is that I'm afraid Xiom will discontinue it...

Thanks for input, I'm not a classical defender like Hashimoto, Filus & Sato, I'm a chop-blocker close to the table defender, so not the same blades & rubbers....

I have doubts about durability of Stiga rubbers in general, because I never be sure who is the real manufacturer because Stiga sell blades & rubbers made in China or Europe or Japan so difficult to trust the brand.

About Xiom I bought Vega China because people said similar to H3 and disliked, but could be different with other rubbers but Xiom brand in our country don't have a lot of models and not old shops sells the brand.

 

[merlin el mago]

Tibhar released MX-P infinity who supposedly has better durability than the retro version. It's also ~51 degree hardness

Yes I see but I'm very disappointed of Tibhar for durability, also it's a very expensive rubber...if durability was for me 2 months I will buy.

If I not like NUZN 50 I will buy the Infinity MX-P, what about the spin & speed vs the retro version?

 

[tzifos]

I have doubts about durability of Stiga rubbers in general, because I never be sure who is the real manufacturer because Stiga sell blades & rubbers made in China or Europe or Japan so difficult to trust the brand.

Almost all brands (except BTY, Donic & some chinese brands and for them there are exemptions) are not manufacturing their rubbers. They use 3rd party factories in Germany (ESN, owned by Donic), Japan and/or China to produce them. So there is nothing to be afraid about Stiga rubbers in comparison to Xiom, Nittaku, Andro, Victas, Gewo, Joola etc.

 

[KM1976]

Using Andro Rasanter R50 on my forehand on TB ALC for last 3.5 months. I can still use it for at least a month. Very happy with Spin, speed and control. Highly recommend.