Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[kindof99]

Looks like someone recorded a good amount of the local tournament I played in recently. It captured the first 2.5 sets of my last singles match. Unfortunately it didn't catch the last 2.5 sets which I lost, so not great for analyzing my weaknesses. There's plenty to work on there, but I think the biggest thing I need to work on right now is the forward lean. My back is too straight when playing, and that results in too often a stroke that's too up going and also having to take the ball relatively late.

Here's the link if you're interested, I'm the guy in the middle table wearing a headband. My opponent is an 1800's player.

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The video actually captured more of my 2nd match, but it wasn't a very good angle. This match was against a 1500's clubmate who usually underperforms in tournaments and gets tilted, so it was not as easy as his rating might suggest. I think the lack of a good lean is even more pronounced in this game, probably because I know I'm more consistent than him so I was playing a bit less aggressive.

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It actually has a pretty decent angle of the last 2 sets of our doubles match against my clubmates as well! The first 2 sets were recorded as well but was from far away.

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I think you played pretty good in the first match especially the third ball attack. Not sure how your opponent changed more in the following games, but he probably looped/attacked more of your serves instead of just pushing. You probably want to serve quick and long sometimes to help your short and half long serves. Your rally skills were better than your opponent’s.

 

[kindof99]

My understanding of ELO rating system is that the difference of points between 2 players will predict the probability of player A winning / B losing and is the invariant. That is from a country to another , a simple translation would give an accurate description of the level in theory.

But where there is a lot of participation say the bottom 80% it’s true, higher ratings become less relevant and difficult to compare .

FWIW in France, 1400 points is roughly 2000 US from my experience. I can see a French player with 2000 points places him beyond the 1000th rank. Very good amateur but not pro. Would he be rated 2600 in US system ?

Linear map between ratings probably doesn’t work well especially in higher rankings

No matter what , average or median ratings is ofc higher in bigger TT countries but those 2 stats don’t tell enough the difference in level. You have to travel and see it by yourself

Probably only about 20-30 players are usatt 2600+ in the us including mltt players. A retired China provincial player is about this level too

 

[blahness]

Basically the RC system is completely whacked in Australia and is quite erratic imo. But just for comparison, there was a Chinese active provincial player who moved here and only got to RC 1800-1900. And these guys are usually at least USATT 2400 roughly. So the 500 difference does make some sense.

But there is a guy I won against once who was at RC 1800 lol, but his level is far from the provincial player definitely and i am definitely not there lmao.

So my only conclusion is that the ratings here dont mean much....

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Probably only about 20-30 players are usatt 2600+ in the us including mltt players. A retired China provincial player is about this level too

There are over 50 players in the US 2600+, and not all Chinese provincial players are at that level at their peak much less in retirement, in fact many aren't. 2400-2550 is a common range unless you are one of the better players for a stronger province.

 

[kindof99]

There are over 50 players in the US 2600+, and not all Chinese provincial players are at that level at their peak much less in retirement, in fact many aren't. 2400-2550 is a common range unless you are one of the better players for a stronger province.

Well, I probably under counted the number of MLTT players. Before MLTT, I would say only about 10 players in the US are 2600+

 

[Archosaurus]

Basically the RC system is completely whacked in Australia and is quite erratic imo. But just for comparison, there was a Chinese active provincial player who moved here and only got to RC 1800-1900. And these guys are usually at least USATT 2400 roughly. So the 500 difference does make some sense.

But there is a guy I won against once who was at RC 1800 lol, but his level is far from the provincial player definitely and i am definitely not there lmao.

So my only conclusion is that the ratings here dont mean much....

It's supposed to be more accurate than USATT because it doesn't fluctuate as much. However it has initially less accuracy. So you end up with funny stuff like players who WOULD be rated 2100-2200 ending up at 1800-1900 for a while. I've seen plenty of 1200~ RC players who would give a 2200 USATT player a run for their money, but surely it doesn't mean RC is 1000 (!) lower than USATT.

Winning once against someone also doesn't really mean much at the amateur level IMO.