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I think serve practice is one of those things that gives a lot of return for minimal effort.

Height and placement matter more than spin as well, in my opinion. Very low serve with okay backspin is much better than heavy backspin on a higher serve.
Serve both occasionally and be amazed at how insecure people can become on the receive.
 
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Looks like someone recorded a good amount of the local tournament I played in recently. It captured the first 2.5 sets of my last singles match. Unfortunately it didn't catch the last 2.5 sets which I lost, so not great for analyzing my weaknesses. There's plenty to work on there, but I think the biggest thing I need to work on right now is the forward lean. My back is too straight when playing, and that results in too often a stroke that's too up going and also having to take the ball relatively late.

Here's the link if you're interested, I'm the guy in the middle table wearing a headband. My opponent is an 1800's player.

The video actually captured more of my 2nd match, but it wasn't a very good angle. This match was against a 1500's clubmate who usually underperforms in tournaments and gets tilted, so it was not as easy as his rating might suggest. I think the lack of a good lean is even more pronounced in this game, probably because I know I'm more consistent than him so I was playing a bit less aggressive.


It actually has a pretty decent angle of the last 2 sets of our doubles match against my clubmates as well! The first 2 sets were recorded as well but was from far away.
watched a little bit against the 1800. you're playing well, good serve, very aggressive game .. well done !
 
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Looks like someone recorded a good amount of the local tournament I played in recently. It captured the first 2.5 sets of my last singles match. Unfortunately it didn't catch the last 2.5 sets which I lost, so not great for analyzing my weaknesses. There's plenty to work on there, but I think the biggest thing I need to work on right now is the forward lean. My back is too straight when playing, and that results in too often a stroke that's too up going and also having to take the ball relatively late.

Here's the link if you're interested, I'm the guy in the middle table wearing a headband. My opponent is an 1800's player.

The video actually captured more of my 2nd match, but it wasn't a very good angle. This match was against a 1500's clubmate who usually underperforms in tournaments and gets tilted, so it was not as easy as his rating might suggest. I think the lack of a good lean is even more pronounced in this game, probably because I know I'm more consistent than him so I was playing a bit less aggressive.


It actually has a pretty decent angle of the last 2 sets of our doubles match against my clubmates as well! The first 2 sets were recorded as well but was from far away.
Are you the tall guy?
 
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I'm definitely not tall lol, I'm the Asian guy in blue shirt and black shorts, wearing a headband. I guess I am taller than my opponent in the first video, but a lot shorter than the tall white guy I played against in the 2nd video.
 
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I'm definitely not tall lol, I'm the Asian guy in blue shirt and black shorts, wearing a headband. I guess I am taller than my opponent in the first video, but a lot shorter than the tall white guy I played against in the 2nd video.
I gotcha. I saw some nice flying FH and great touch. You seem to win many more points when your head is over the ball and weight transfer going forwrds. Tough when you get pinned going backwards on the BH though!
 
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/kG2uiF7SDSN41WTh8 Alright. I bit the bullet and recorded some TT. It’s like listening to your own voice for the first time. Horrifying..
Fortunately, I’m thick skinned and it has inspired me to work on my footwork and knee bend.
I’ve become exactly the kind of gnarly and annoying blocker that we all hated as kids.
I’m 52 soon so it’s gonna be difficult but this flat footedness is unacceptable.
Just 10 years ago I was extremely bouncy.
Let’s go
 
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/kG2uiF7SDSN41WTh8 Alright. I bit the bullet and recorded some TT. It’s like listening to your own voice for the first time. Horrifying..
Fortunately, I’m thick skinned and it has inspired me to work on my footwork and knee bend.
I’ve become exactly the kind of gnarly and annoying blocker that we all hated as kids.
I’m 52 soon so it’s gonna be difficult but this flat footedness is unacceptable.
Just 10 years ago I was extremely bouncy.
Let’s go
where are you in Japan ? i forgot... didn't you come and play once with me ?
 
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where are you in Japan ? i forgot... didn't you come and play once with me ?
No. I’m strictly a home town TT player. Just bash about at the weekend if I have chance.
Fridays is practice, Saturdays or Sundays I’ll help out with coaching kids.
I’m in Kagoshima
 
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I gotcha. I saw some nice flying FH and great touch. You seem to win many more points when your head is over the ball and weight transfer going forwrds. Tough when you get pinned going backwards on the BH though!
Oh yeah, I'm discovering right now that he key to going forward is to maintain a forward lean, so I'm working on it now!

In fact, I just had back-to-back sessions with my 2 training partners tonight. This was the first training session with the focus on maintaining a forward lean, and I feel like I've already learned a lot. First is that it's not actually really about leaning forward, it's more about kicking the butt backwards a little. Your upper body will naturally bend down a bit to maintain balance. Focusing on leaning forward actually puts you a bit out of balance, a bit too much weight resting on your forefoot. You do want your heels up a bit while playing, but not that much.

The second main thing is that there are a surprising number of adjustments that you need to make to actually make it work. On the FH side, kicking the butt back brings the racket a bit further back on the backswing, so you need to adjust your timings by waiting a bit longer. As the body bends down the racket angle also closes with it, and the swing path of the arm becomes more back-to-front than before. These two things combined to result in a lot of shots hitting the leading edge of my racket at first, so much so that my FH rubber on the leading edge started peeling off! The adjustment here is to open up the racket a bit.

The third thing is that there are more upsides to this adjustment than I expected. Once I got used to it a bit, the more back-to-front FH stroke with a more open racket actually resulted in much improved contact as well as better control in the direction of the ball. Rotating the right hip back while your butt is already kicked back also naturally induces your body to shift weight onto your right leg. I've always had trouble reconciling between rotating only at the hip with placing weight on my right leg during backswing, they just never seemed to work great together, but this solved it! It even made coming in for a short push easier, as before I would need to step in and bend my body over the table, but now since my body is already bending forward I only need to step in. This saves a lot of time and allows me to get to a short ball much easier.

On the BH side, the kicking back of the butt gave me a lot more space to backswing. This makes adding power to loops a bit easier and more natural. The most significant advantage I found, however, is during loops vs. backspin. A common tactic people employ against me is to serve short to my FH then push long to my BH. I get jammed by that a lot. But maintaining a bit of lean gave me sooooo much more space that I feel almost un-jammable!

I'm working on a few other things as well, like the cementing the grip change further up, blocking more with my body, lead with my elbow more on the BH, and simplifying my arm motion on the FH side. Basically aside from the grip I'm trying to add one more adjustment in addition to the forward lean. For the forward lean itself, I also need to focus more on kicking the butt out, which I haven't been able to do consistently yet.
 
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Oh yeah, I'm discovering right now that he key to going forward is to maintain a forward lean, so I'm working on it now!

In fact, I just had back-to-back sessions with my 2 training partners tonight. This was the first training session with the focus on maintaining a forward lean, and I feel like I've already learned a lot. First is that it's not actually really about leaning forward, it's more about kicking the butt backwards a little. Your upper body will naturally bend down a bit to maintain balance. Focusing on leaning forward actually puts you a bit out of balance, a bit too much weight resting on your forefoot. You do want your heels up a bit while playing, but not that much.

The second main thing is that there are a surprising number of adjustments that you need to make to actually make it work. On the FH side, kicking the butt back brings the racket a bit further back on the backswing, so you need to adjust your timings by waiting a bit longer. As the body bends down the racket angle also closes with it, and the swing path of the arm becomes more back-to-front than before. These two things combined to result in a lot of shots hitting the leading edge of my racket at first, so much so that my FH rubber on the leading edge started peeling off! The adjustment here is to open up the racket a bit.

The third thing is that there are more upsides to this adjustment than I expected. Once I got used to it a bit, the more back-to-front FH stroke with a more open racket actually resulted in much improved contact as well as better control in the direction of the ball. Rotating the right hip back while your butt is already kicked back also naturally induces your body to shift weight onto your right leg. I've always had trouble reconciling between rotating only at the hip with placing weight on my right leg during backswing, they just never seemed to work great together, but this solved it! It even made coming in for a short push easier, as before I would need to step in and bend my body over the table, but now since my body is already bending forward I only need to step in. This saves a lot of time and allows me to get to a short ball much easier.

On the BH side, the kicking back of the butt gave me a lot more space to backswing. This makes adding power to loops a bit easier and more natural. The most significant advantage I found, however, is during loops vs. backspin. A common tactic people employ against me is to serve short to my FH then push long to my BH. I get jammed by that a lot. But maintaining a bit of lean gave me sooooo much more space that I feel almost un-jammable!

I'm working on a few other things as well, like the cementing the grip change further up, blocking more with my body, lead with my elbow more on the BH, and simplifying my arm motion on the FH side. Basically aside from the grip I'm trying to add one more adjustment in addition to the forward lean. For the forward lean itself, I also need to focus more on kicking the butt out, which I haven't been able to do consistently yet.
Stay unjammable. Very glad to hear that you are working on these things in a proactive way. Indeed I think you can do better if you are not retreating on that backhand.
 
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So i am continuing to try out my new style. After years of playing my "get the ball on the table" style, I have decided to spend the next few months to a year trying to change to high risk style. The biggest barrier to playing this style will be getting better at recovering to play the next shot. But I will give it a serious shot as it takes advantage of Zyre's high speed high spin properties. My game is very conservative but I definitely will need to work on reading and attacking serves and closing gaps in my offensive shots.
 
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So i am continuing to try out my new style. After years of playing my "get the ball on the table" style, I have decided to spend the next few months to a year trying to change to high risk style. The biggest barrier to playing this style will be getting better at recovering to play the next shot. But I will give it a serious shot as it takes advantage of Zyre's high speed high spin properties. My game is very conservative but I definitely will need to work on reading and attacking serves and closing gaps in my offensive shots.
Exactly same here. Embracing the challenge is key. Let's go.
 
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Funny, I'm this close to take a step to get moving to a defensive game, as I keep finding my attacking game way too risky. I've got the shots, but my selection is way worse than my placement and feeling for the ball. So playing defense first, attacking only when possible doesn't sound like a bad idea.
 
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Funny, I'm this close to take a step to get moving to a defensive game, as I keep finding my attacking game way too risky. I've got the shots, but my selection is way worse than my placement and feeling for the ball. So playing defense first, attacking only when possible doesn't sound like a bad idea.
As long as you are playing opponents whose your defense doesn't give too much time, this is not a bad idea and is how I sometimes play. The problem of course is when the opponent uses the time to pick you apart. But if your blocking can get good enough to put the opponent off balance (though I sometimes think more in terms of countering than blocking), it is clearly a reasonable style. Then you can reserve initiation mostly for those opponents whose opening attacks lead to sequences that give you too much pressure and you can initiate and switch to blocking after, initiating doesn't mean you need to retain aggression, it is just to avoid the pressure of heavy openers.
 
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Well, I used my W968 setup yesterday and also the Xuperman S1 setup and all I can say is that the W968 doesn't feel good anymore lol I was hitting with one of my buddies yesterday and all my shots that would hit didn't at all. This is the first time I've gone back to a setup after using a new setup for a few sessions and immediately hated my main one. Honestly, it's very hard to get any information on the Super S1 blade and the ones I've found, they were in Mandarin or some Chinese dialect. Honestly, I think I'm going to use the Super S1 blade more. I had used it 2 sessions ago and I beat a really hard opponent again. I think after I get my Zyre-03 and Helix Platinum 55, I'll like the blade more because the Xuperman Xr 38° feels weak on my RPB, but Xuperman Xb 41° feels solid.
 
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Funny, I'm this close to take a step to get moving to a defensive game, as I keep finding my attacking game way too risky. I've got the shots, but my selection is way worse than my placement and feeling for the ball. So playing defense first, attacking only when possible doesn't sound like a bad idea.
I've had to push one more time than I feel is correct in the short game and to stop swinging so hard and just spin the ball a bit more to get games off what should be 1500-1600~ players, but the last few times I played much better players and had to attack very actively to even stay in the rally. I did get a few points from good pushes or blocks but that was maybe 10% of the points, and only when it's placed with a lot of risk.

So I think it depends. If you're like me and your big opener only hits 20% of the time, you just might need to push one more time and set up a better ball either way, until the % gets better. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Oh yeah, I'm discovering right now that he key to going forward is to maintain a forward lean, so I'm working on it now!

In fact, I just had back-to-back sessions with my 2 training partners tonight. This was the first training session with the focus on maintaining a forward lean, and I feel like I've already learned a lot. First is that it's not actually really about leaning forward, it's more about kicking the butt backwards a little. Your upper body will naturally bend down a bit to maintain balance. Focusing on leaning forward actually puts you a bit out of balance, a bit too much weight resting on your forefoot. You do want your heels up a bit while playing, but not that much.

The second main thing is that there are a surprising number of adjustments that you need to make to actually make it work. On the FH side, kicking the butt back brings the racket a bit further back on the backswing, so you need to adjust your timings by waiting a bit longer. As the body bends down the racket angle also closes with it, and the swing path of the arm becomes more back-to-front than before. These two things combined to result in a lot of shots hitting the leading edge of my racket at first, so much so that my FH rubber on the leading edge started peeling off! The adjustment here is to open up the racket a bit.

The third thing is that there are more upsides to this adjustment than I expected. Once I got used to it a bit, the more back-to-front FH stroke with a more open racket actually resulted in much improved contact as well as better control in the direction of the ball. Rotating the right hip back while your butt is already kicked back also naturally induces your body to shift weight onto your right leg. I've always had trouble reconciling between rotating only at the hip with placing weight on my right leg during backswing, they just never seemed to work great together, but this solved it! It even made coming in for a short push easier, as before I would need to step in and bend my body over the table, but now since my body is already bending forward I only need to step in. This saves a lot of time and allows me to get to a short ball much easier.

On the BH side, the kicking back of the butt gave me a lot more space to backswing. This makes adding power to loops a bit easier and more natural. The most significant advantage I found, however, is during loops vs. backspin. A common tactic people employ against me is to serve short to my FH then push long to my BH. I get jammed by that a lot. But maintaining a bit of lean gave me sooooo much more space that I feel almost un-jammable!

I'm working on a few other things as well, like the cementing the grip change further up, blocking more with my body, lead with my elbow more on the BH, and simplifying my arm motion on the FH side. Basically aside from the grip I'm trying to add one more adjustment in addition to the forward lean. For the forward lean itself, I also need to focus more on kicking the butt out, which I haven't been able to do consistently yet.
Even with the forward lean which is definitely an important adjustment, i have the feeling you are trying to do too much (ie too big of a movement) with the BH on the serve receive or against deep fast pushes. Sometimes literally what is needed against these quick jamming pushes or serves is a quick forearm supination (no need for too much arm swing or body rotation) to turn the blade forcefully into the ball and the outgoing ball will be a slow BH topspin with a lot of spin and also a nightmare for the other player to deal with. Sure they can counterloopkill it but how many are they gonna make?

I think you are trying to add too much quality on the receive rather than playing a bit safer to force the topspin rally where you are super favoured lol.
 
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/kG2uiF7SDSN41WTh8 Alright. I bit the bullet and recorded some TT. It’s like listening to your own voice for the first time. Horrifying..
Fortunately, I’m thick skinned and it has inspired me to work on my footwork and knee bend.
I’ve become exactly the kind of gnarly and annoying blocker that we all hated as kids.
I’m 52 soon so it’s gonna be difficult but this flat footedness is unacceptable.
Just 10 years ago I was extremely bouncy.
Let’s go
I was pretty nervous to post this considering the hammering some folks get when they upload their play.
It’s almost a let down to get away with a few gratis likes.
What’s a bro got to do to be mercilessly clowned around here? YouTube?
 
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I was pretty nervous to post this considering the hammering some folks get when they upload their play.
It’s almost a let down to get away with a few gratis likes.
What’s a bro got to do to be mercilessly clowned around here? YouTube?
Backhand looks like long pips, so I've got nothing for you there.

I think your forehand is a bit stiff. You seem to not actually prepare for the shot with any backswing or movement, then at the last second you almost rush to hit the ball by pushing your arm forwards, rather than letting your arm come back and then swinging at it.

Your contact timing is fairly consistent though, either slightly early or around peak of the bounce. For shots like that if you close the angle slightly more and brush over the ball, it will have the same speed but also have more topspin and be more consistent. However this also won't work if you are still 'pushing' at the ball.

My advice would be to let your arm naturally move back (easiest cue for me is to just relax my shoulder and let my arm 'hang' for a moment) as the ball moves towards you on each forehand - this might help you minimise the sudden late pushing motion you're making. You can still hit early off the bounce but it's a bit smoother as you'll have more of a backswing (it doesn't need to be that big) and therefore have room to actually swing your arm through on the shot.

More like the shot you play at 9 seconds in. Obviously it was against a weaker shot from the opponent, but the same principle can be applied on a lot of the forehands in this video imo.
 
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