Changes will coming into future WTTC

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I check and confirmed, it is going to be 3+1+1
3 per country
1 extra if in Top 20
1 extra if in Top 100

So this should make it 5 for CNT - providing they meet the criteria for Top 20/100 etc

China will still have a high chance of taking all the medals, but the only thing is that 2 Chinese players will not be able to represent China in WTTC going forward - Sad actually. and next WTTC is at home too

 

[Alborz]

I check and confirmed, it is going to be 3+1+1
3 per country
1 extra if in Top 20
1 extra if in Top 100

So this should make it 5 for CNT - providing they meet the criteria for Top 20/100 etc

China will still have a high chance of taking all the medals, but the only thing is that 2 Chinese players will not be able to represent China in WTTC going forward - Sad actually. and next WTTC is at home too

Good to hear that there will be 5 players from China. But still it is unfair to China. They have so many good players but only 5 of them can play in WTTC

 

[agold]

Good to hear that there will be 5 players from China. But still it is unfair to China. They have so many good players but only 5 of them can play in WTTC

That's why China is so good. They have so many players. If Yan An, who is 10th or so in the rankings, moves to a country that is not into table tennis, like the USA, he would be number 1 and have a lot more opportunities to play on the WTTTC team and WTTC.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

That's why China is so good. They have so many players. If Yan An, who is 10th or so in the rankings, moves to a country that is not into table tennis, like the USA, he would be number 1 and have a lot more opportunities to play on the WTTTC team and WTTC.

This is why table tennis as a "individual" sport should do a way with national teams limitation - so become like golf or tennis
You can't go and limit a WR10 people and say, sorry unlucky one, you are number 6 in your country so you are not allowed to compete in a world title.

If it is a team event, I can understand - ie USA doesn't field 2 basketball teams, team 2 can also be world champions etc.
But TT is like tennis - an individual sport

 

[agold]

This is why table tennis as a "individual" sport should do a way with national teams limitation - so become like golf or tennis
You can't go and limit a WR10 people and say, sorry unlucky one, you are number 6 in your country so you are not allowed to compete in a world title.

If it is a team event, I can understand - ie USA doesn't field 2 basketball teams, team 2 can also be world champions etc.
But TT is like tennis - an individual sport

Great point. The thing is that China trains harder and farms more players. This means that they have more compitition, which helps the motivation. Someone like Yan An will not give up until he beats ma long. If he can play in more tournaments, he has more of a chance to improve and help the country.

Even in tennis, the people of a players country will root for that player. And they will feel proud if he wins. It's the same thing. Even though the player wouldn't be limited by what country they are in, they would still represent the country. And if China won every time, as well as coming in 4th 5th 6th 7th etc and leaving no achievement opportunity for another country, the other countries will not have anything to be proud of. I'm proud of Lily zhangs performance at the WTTTC. As much as the ITTF ha done to hurt the game, the only way to make other countries like the sport I to give them something they feel proud of.

 

[htfu]

surely giving them expertise and know-how is a better thing than cutting the quality of the competition? so, you want to push the chinese ... guess what, you are going to have to work your collective arses off. get countries to ally and form regional super training centers, push into schools ... but *do something positive* not all of this gerrymandering. that makes me sick and lowers the quality of the sport as a whole ...

imagine what table tennis would be like if the chinese, gemans, koreans et al were pushed hard .. imagine what everyone's level would be like? imagine the epic games? i couldn't care less which individual wins, as long as the games are close and epic ... unless you have that we all lose.

 

[tan.theveteran]

instead of destoying the sport why not help other countries step up so that the gold and silver is really up for grabs. china itself is promoting the sport by sending chinese coaches all over the world. it is not their fault that they are the best. Every country probably have a unpolished gem, a talented player that if nurtured correctly could keep up with the chinese. I don't understand how restricting some of the best players in the world for a world championship would help the sport.

 

[htfu]

agreed, the problem is that the one talent will never get far as they have nobody to push them .. this is where the depth of the chinese system comes into play. the other countries need to get the depth so that their "stars" are pushed all the time .. not just when they play better non-local opponents.

 

[AMARSPIN]

China is so dominant country because they love this sport , and they invest to table tennis..

 

[perniciousnc]

Sharara is doing this. because it is the quickest and easiest way, but he didn't realize there is no quick and easy ways. he is helping the world to lie to themselves. letting minimum numbers of players to play from china, and letting, say, dimitrij ovtcharov win (in olympic etc), doesn't mean much. He himself and other players know not all the best players can play. and they are not the true champion that way. i mean even ovtcharov winning bronze which is a great acheivement, but he was against chuang who was ranked no.8 back then. the true tt fans knew it wasn't the toughest matchup.

so shrara is taking the shortcut, his PRIORITY is not the quality of the shot, but some non-chinese (preferably european) winning a world title.

i think he has to realize that there's no short cut, and he should encourage countries to train up, and actually ensure the sports have enough promotion (like website!!!). i really hate that the ittf, the moderator as I view it, is changing the sports so so much, and sharara has so much power.

( i have commented more on his interview last week

)


if someone non chinese won a title, but is not usually the best ( if he is the best, he was gonna win it anyways without rule change), then he is going to win "by some kind of 'luck' ", or simply by the pressure that the chinese players have (since they are basically holding all top 10 chinese's pressure on 2 persons in olympics). such winner should not be truly celebrated. he is not gonna be ma long in chinese league losing very few matches.

but this is kinda great, becos it tells us table tennis is a sports based so much on skills than luck, which is the reason i love table tennis.

 

[Alborz]

Totally agree with you Pernniciousnc.

 

[mahomedy13]

Totally agree with you Pernniciousnc.

Me too.

Sharara should never have been given so much power!

 

[akonebrahim]

That's why China is so good. They have so many players. If Yan An, who is 10th or so in the rankings, moves to a country that is not into table tennis, like the USA, he would be number 1 and have a lot more opportunities to play on the WTTTC team and WTTC.

But if something like that happened,their game would have dropped,as the practice for them is not on the same quality of China.The only time they will have good practice would be when facing a stronger player in a game,and most probably end up losing

Stupid ITTF rules

 

[John18]

Some critiques from Liu Guoliang :

"The reform has a negative effect on strong teams, it also doesn't have any help towards the weaker teams."

"The development of table tennis can not rely on restraining the strong teams but instead raise the level of the middle and lower ranking teams. With that, table tennis will have an even better promotion."

"If we blindly restrict China then there will be a decrease in manpower ande resources China will be investing on table tennis. It will be a great loss for the sport and table tennis is in more danger."


I totally agree with him and I think this is a terrible decision from ITTF/Adham Sharara because we want to see the best players play in the world events.
I hope these rules will be changed in the future but...

 

[John18]

In additon, about the mixed nations doubles, if 2 countries join to make a pair, the pair is counted as one entry for both country.
So for example, if there are 2 pairs Timo Boll/Ma Long and Dima/Zhang Jike, both Germany and China won't be allowed to send another player in Doubles.

Who will want to make mixed nations pairs if you could send only 2 players instead of 4 in Doubles event ?
This is nonsense .

 

[SpinQuark]

Maybe Table Tennis needs some extra tournament like Golf's Ryder Cup which would allow two multinational teams to compete. China vs RoW or perhaps East v West. Clearly this can be a great success like Golf if it generates really close team results time after time.

 

[agold]

Maybe Table Tennis needs some extra tournament like Golf's Ryder Cup which would allow two multinational teams to compete. China vs RoW or perhaps East v West. Clearly this can be a great success like Golf if it generates really close team results time after time.

I agree! We could just make more big leagues like the CTTSL. It could even be mixed in men and women

 

[Alborz]

Maybe Table Tennis needs some extra tournament like Golf's Ryder Cup which would allow two multinational teams to compete. China vs RoW or perhaps East v West. Clearly this can be a great success like Golf if it generates really close team results time after time.

Yes, its a good idea. Also i think it will be good to have world league.

 

[vipt2000]

Funny that by this rule, there will be most likely top 10 world ranked players not able to play in the WTTC. And player like Yan An and Wu Yang (who are currently china's 6th ranked players) are heavily favored to win the championship if the top 5 from china do not play. Why not just ban entire chinese team if they want variety and non-chinese winner (and don't forget chinese representing other nations, especially women)

 

[John18]

Well, I just found an interview of Adham Sharara :

http://www.dohastadiumplusqatar.com/level-playing-field/

Here is an extract :

Why do you think it’s necessary to end the Chinese domination?
[...]

How did China react to the idea?
[...]
We made two the limit in London and I was China’s No.1 enemy as they felt I took away a medal from them, which is true to an extent. They got angry with me in the beginning, but then I explained to them the positive side of it. When they saw how the sport attracted huge fans, they relented. There was more competition. And after Japan, Singapore and Germany won medals at the London Games, other nations also started showing interest. We’ve convinced China to reduce the number of players at the World Championships as well.



Like China is OK to reduce the number of players at WTTC's ("we've convinced China..."). Look LGL's words in my previous post above.

Now, even if I tried, it will be hard to believe him when he will talk about China dominance, the good things to do for the sport, etc.